I'm interested to know what everyone finds so great about Battlestar Galactica. Is it the unpleasant personalities? The hopeless, bleak despair? The overarching themes of predestination, lack of free will and inevitable doom?
I tried watching this for a couple of seasons and found only the Cylons interesting, but not interesting enough to keep coming back for more.

Chief noooooooooooo! ;_;

It's late and I'm feeling shallow so I'll just say that I like the new Six's hair.

I love Last Supper pictures, I thought the one from the Folsom street fair made me hot.. then I saw this one. Nerdgasm!

@Zguy: I wonder if Miller Lite will have to avoid sponsoring BSG now!

I don't think that Natalie 6 is looking at the other 6, her eyes are not at the right height and her finger is pointing towards her neck/chest... or straight at Helo and Sharon. Backing that up is the way Helo is doing the whole, face-down-but-eyes-up-to-look-menacing thing.

I've always thought that out of all the cylon models their behaviour is similar to a PH scale. The really nasty ones being at one end and the nice ones at the other with 6 being in the middle ground, not quite sure which way to go.

It reminds me of the first human form replicators from SG1 when they visit the planet in the time dilation device.

I think Cally is the final Cylon. I never trusted her.

Wait, how do you know she's pointing at her(other)self?! What if she's actually pointing at Sharon and Helo?

Otherwise, they probably look that way because ol' one-eye is glaring at them.

@adduby:

I think he's glaring at Baltar actually. He was always the most vocal about how shifty Baltar is. His gaze is a similar one to Helos but because he's sitting lower it looks more in Baltars direction.

Can't get into BSG. There's too much space drama. Maybe in a few months when "The Wire" ends.

Now, can anyone tell me why Admiral Adama can't be the last Cylon?

It looks to me like Roslin is looking with sly disdain at Helo and Sharon -- and there is a history of mistrust and fear there.

I'm going to risk the great wrath of the board by saying this: The Old BSG was better. Why? Well for one thing they actually showed a more realistic military chain of command AND military behavior. The Cast had a wider range of ethnicity(Where ARE the Black Men Ron Moore?)Also,it portrayed an alternate culture that only had an ancillary connection much more believably. But wait, there's more. The old series had the ability to create a mythological structure and verbiage which, when delivered by Lorne Greenes deep, powerful, stentorian voice would send it straight to the hindbrain and lodge there. Ron Moores series is okay, but it wouldn't stand the test of time the old one did, which is why he had to use the franchises name to piggy-back his ideas, which are only mrginally interesting. BTW the old series had better prodution values as well.

Are you serious? Are you actually serious? I would expect better from a Gawker blog. This is totally outrageous. What in the Hell are you guys doing posting quite possibly spoilers (if they turn out to be true). Jesus Lord God, now part of season four is possibly spoiled of its surprise for me. I get the feeling that my shouting-at-the-TV moments (ala Kane) are totally gone. Thanks guys, really, thank you for being total douches.

@Waelwulf:

Everything was after the jump, and the title quite explicitly states that secrets of the new season are betrayed - otherwise known as spoilers. Why did you click?

Anyways, I agree. Natalie 6 is pointing at Helo and Sharon, likely because they, like Baltar's 6, are aware of the baby and want to claim it before it does something terrible.

Nobody, however, has mentioned what Tigh is doing. You can't really tell much 'cause of the patch, but there's a reason for him being in the shot, no? His eyeline matches either Baltar or Starbuck.

I also have to wonder about the placement of Tigh, with the exception of him he's the only member of Adama's crew seated left of six in a composition that otherwise divides the govt/admin types neatly from the (actively serving) military types.

I also wonder if the chalice in the empty spot implies that there will be some kind of resurrection associated with the last Cylon. I also want to know more about Roslin with the lit match and flaming egg cup...

@Freznel: if Admiral Adama were a cylon then Lee would be half-cylon, which probably would have been discovered in the hospital birthing room (unless perhaps, the Admiral were more recently replaced by a cylon).

however, even if were recently replaced, makes no sense for Boomer to have shot him up on the bridge... not to mention when he was getting fixed up they would have found cylon physiology.

but aside from those GLARING problems... sure, go ahead and make a case for Bill Adama as a cylon. run with it.

the gods showed Starbuck the way to earth. but what earth and when are the real qts.
Baltar as moses leading the people to eternal life in the new world by breading with the cylons. the love and a soul from the humans while the cylon provide eternal life in the new eden. lets not forget the new Adam and Eve; hera and charlie (chiefs boy)
i listened to Ron Moore's Frack Party podcast and he said the fifth is not william, lee, or laura. that got me to thinking and with Gatea's betrayal's (as informant, stabbing him, and in court) of Baltar. He make the perfect Judas to Baltar's Jesus. also in true geek fashion ive started to watch them all again from the pilot. its very interesting to watch them again and see even from the beginning many of the cylon are working together from the start.

Sorry, can't get into the New BSG. I remember the original version. I can't sit through a single episode because of the "WTF? I don't remember this?". Plus, I read the 1978 book by Glen Thurston and Robert Larson. I'm ubber nerdy that way.

Anyone else completely upset that despite all this cool stuff to speculate about that there is only going to be like ten episodes this year

having only seen series 1 recently, all i can say is dammit. shuldnt have even looked at the picture. dammit.

@Kounji: @kounji: With the writers' strike, 10 episodes constitutes a jumbo, extra-long, economy-size season. Sadly.

As cowardly and self centered as the humans are in BSG, I can see why the Cylons were able to kick their ass. I find myself hoping they'll succeed in exterminating these human culls before they reach Earth and contaminate our gene pool.

Perhaps all the honorable warfighters died at their posts protecting their home worlds leaving only the REMF's to staff the battlestar.

Here's an idea, re-cast Bill Clinton as Baltar!

@Waelwulf: Wow, that's a masterpiece of petulance. Bravo, sir!

OK, kind of totally off topic but it is BSG related. I'd like to know the "secret" of what happens to all those bullets the Vipers are constantly spitting out. And how about those nukes the Cylons keep flinging at the Galactica (which winks out in just the nick of time). I mean it IS space right...? Those little projectiles are gonna just keep going right? With all that fancy flying the Vipers do in the heat of battle, what with all the flips and barrel rolls, seems to me they're gonna run back into the flight path of one of their own bullets at some point. Just saying... chances are.

@kounji: Wife and I are bummer, but we'll take what we can get, including webasodes.

We get that you don't get it or like it. No need to share that with us, thanks.
This is the best show on television, period. Unlike the other crap that passes for programming now, you need to pay attention. If you disagree, fine, but no need to share.

@saketini99:

I've always tried to address that in my own imaginative efforts (that bare no fruit, mind you) and one of my explanations is that the bullet material, which works well in space, would instantly disintegrate upon entering atmosphere. Otherwise, the bullet will strike a space manatee and cause a terrible butterfly effect. :D

ANYWAYS, I went and got this mag to get a better look at the picture. Seems Helo and Athena are glaring at Roslin, who is in turn squinting back at them and lighting a cup of sorts on fire. Tigh is explained by the mag as "turning a blind eye". As to what, we can only speculate, but I will guess that Helo and Athena will discover their baby exists and Tigh will be the only one who knows that they've taken her back.

Cheers.

@doctor_cos:
But WHY do you find it so compelling? I watched it for a couple of seasons, and liked it less and less. I know what I don't like about it, what do YOU (or any one else) like?

@EGN: I don't get how people treat entertainment tastes like some religion where if they can just find the right argument, conversion is possible. Your taste differs from that of those of us who love the show. Why is that so mysterious?

But to answer your question, I love the darkness of it; the depth of the characters; the unexpected revelations of good in the bad guys and bad in the good guys; the fact that no one does everything right all the time and sometimes the smart people do dumb things that make sense [as in, the way things are set up, the stupid choice is in character rather than just a plot device]; the sense that anyone could die; the feel of desperation that is so realistic to the situation they're in; the fact that there is so much dissension and difficulty -- even faced with their utter destruction, people tend to focus on their own wants, needs, and agendas; the way things hark back to moments, glimpses, etc. from the first episodes, reframing them and illuminating details; the complexity of relationships and loyalties; the fact that the people behind this show really know what they're doing and where they're going with the story.

I don't think it's perfect; there were episodes last season which may turn out to be very important to the Big Story but which seemed to me at the time to be about side characters to the detriment of finding out more about our central characters, but I listen to the podcasts, and I find that generally Ron Moore knows when an episode didn't hit the mark and is very honest about what worked, what didn't, why it didn't, etc. I like that about the show, too: No bravado.

Let me also add in my two cents that I agree with Jennaw (or is it JennaW) in that the show, despite it's sci-fi trappings, is very human... which, actually, is what science fiction is all about, isn't it? It explores humanity and the human condition very well putting a fresh twist on an extremely tired premise.

Plus, it's also cool that it parallels one of my favorite video games of all time (and one of my most loathed movies), Wing Commander, which I still believe would make a sweet TV show. I love space ships.

@jennaw:
Thank you, Jennaw that was very helpful. I saw all of what you mentioned when I was watching, so I guess I didn't miss anything. It sounds like what you enjoy, keeping track of all the details, relationships, and long view story line, too me seem more like work than entertainment. But as you say different tastes.

@dunetiger: JennaW :)

@EGN: Good! Glad I made sense, there ;) There was an episode of "This American Life" on the vagaries of taste which I am reminded of from time to time. It was titled, "Your Dream, My Nightmare" -- very apropos.

Cheers!

"After the jump" means nothing to us RSS readers. But yes, thank you Jennaw, I spent some minutes crafting that piece of outrage.

@Waelwulf: So, summing up what you're really saying, is "why didn't you guys think of me before posting this! I don't like it!"

It's okay. :D

A LOT of people read blogs through RSS buddy. I wouldn't target this only on me.

@saketini99:

Presumeably, the rounds would continue in their trajectory until stopped by a gravitational body. In the case of the Nuclear weapons, they're probably very similar to modern day nuclear weapons with safeguards to prevent 'accidental detonation' or some similar sort of fail-safe device that would prevent an unwanted detonation. Irradation would probably be a problem, if they didn't accidentally fall into a black hole or star. The bullets likely wouldn't be a huge threat--if they can't puncture the hole of anything larger than a fighter, shrug it off.

You also can assume based on what we've seen that the bullets are 'faster' then the Vipers themselves, which would make 'turning into your own bullets' unlikely. Otherwise there would be the very obvious problem of acceleration so fast that the gun fires a projectile and with the ship PROMPTLY over-taking it and exploding.

Still, it's weird you can not accept these facts and yet you make no mention of Faster-then-light travel, which is literally impossible. (You hit speed of light and you're mass becomes infinite. The only even remotely possible way to travel 'faster then light' would be to bend space into something smaller rather than traveling faster.

Luckily for all of us it's a fantasy and we don't have to nitpick every single little tiny detail about space travel that make shows such impossible. (Because bluntly, traveling anything farther than the moon is damn near insurmountable).

@Evdor:

But then isn't "infinite mass" a logical theory? Is it not possible that the theory may have a margin of error that would allow someone to travel faster than light? With that in mind, is there any reasonable explanation apart from mathematics to explain what infinite mass is?

@EGN: A valid (and polite) question...what do I like about it?
I find the writing to be better than anything else on right now (and in the recent past). It challenges the viewer to keep up with what is going on.
The acting is also excellent across the entire cast which is in my mind also well done (casting). Plus there are several character-character dynamics which I find compelling from week to week as they continue.

The entire show to me conveys a sense of 'reality' as in the characters act in what to me would be a normal fashion given the circumstances they are in. Every predicament they find themselves in is not wrapped up neatly and happily every week. Face it, if you found yourself in similar circumstances, you could not reasonably expect for you and your fellow travelers to escape the rigors of such a journey unscathed. We'd like the sugar-coated TV realities that the bad guys never get away with it, and most everyone ends up happy, but in all probability, it just wouldn't be so.

I get that people do not like the show, but simply stating that you don't is probably right up there with me defending that I do without further explanation.

The missing Cylon is Dee.... Shes the only "main cast" member not here in the picture and a lot of people have rumored she might be it based on where she was supposedly born, which was the same place the "6s" claimed to have come from.

I agree with the commenter way above that the final Cylon is Cally. She ain't in the picture. And the show has taken great pains to tell us that a human/Cylon hybrid is special... it would be kinda silly to suddenly have two human/Cylon hybrids. If Cally is a Cylon too, that makes her and Chief Tyrol's child all Cylon.

@extracrispy: Except that isn't supposed to be possible, is it? I mean, it's a good point but I thought the whole point of the attempted breeding thing was the inability for Cylons to have their own children.

JennaW, I think you're right. Cylons aren't supposed to be able to have children with other Cylons. I don't think Cally is the last Cylon and I don't think Dee is, either. (Cally was able to have a baby with the Chief, so she's not one. Dee, well, I just don't see how it would move the story forward in an interesting way. I feel like the last Cylon has to be someone bigger. I could be totally wrong, of course.)

There's an interesting theory about Lee being the last Cylon at the website listed below. I'm not sure I buy it, but is is interesting to consider (as this article points out) the 12 types of human that the Cylons represent.

[www.associatedcontent.com]

@extracrispy: "that makes her and Chief Tyrol's child all Cylon"
your right my fu(k up wont be the last time im wrong

I'm just wondering, where's Tory? She was just coming into her own at the end of last season...