Bah, you spoilered before the jump!

Let's hope if Zoe Bell turns up again, she acts better than she did in "Death Proof."

@eain: Wait, we did? What?

@eain: We did? The smack to the face? Or something else?

@Annalee Newitz: OK Charlie the spoiler expert is fixing.

@eain: Oh do you mean the reference to someone "dying"? I guess that totally got past me. I deleted that sentence from the above-the-jump portion. If you actually meant the smack to the face, I think you're out of luck because it's a minor spoiler and I don't want to rewrite Lynn's whole intro.

@eain: I'm sorry. I'll be more careful next time.

Is Jin one of the eight who made it off the island only to die later?

Did you mean six? And yeah, I think you're overthinking it. The Oceanic 6 = Sun, Jin, Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sayid.

I think Zoe Bell used the chains as weight to get her down to an underwater station quickly. No evidence, just a hunch.

The smack to the face was soooooo satisfying. Bitch.

It's too bad Jin doesn't get to be there for the baby being born. sniffle.

I sussed out that the panda stuff was a flashback b/c new Jin wouldn't have wasted all that time for a stupid toy if it was Sun in labor.

Big ol' Hurley and little baby, so cute.

Bernard! (Can't help it, just love him and Rose)

Been loving all the Des and Sayid scenes just for the pretty factor.

My only comment is that you missed the book Zoe was "reading" (since it was upside down) was Jules Verne's "The Survivior's of the Chancellor". Which adds SO much more fun to that freighter!

I'm right with you in the satisfaction of seeing Juliet receive the smack she so deserved. The ruse regarding Jin and Sun bothered me, because while I like Lost for its mysteries and suspense, this was just too hokey. Jin's phone being knocked out of his hand then being run over by a scooter (come on!) at first implied someone was trying to prevent him from attending Sun's labor.
I'm curious to hear what others think about Desmond's state of mind on the freighter - after his consciousness returned from the past the first time, he had no idea where he was or what was going on. Do we have any reason to believe that he is back to normal, i.e. remembering everything that transpired on the island? My coworkers and I were discussing today whether his radiation bath could have caused his past consciousness to travel forward in time rather than the other way around. Can one go back and change the past in the Lost universe or is the past immutable, as recent theories regarding actual time travel would have us believe?

>Is Jin one of the eight who made it off the island only to die later?

I believe it's eight people survived the crash of 815, two of which died on the island later, leaving The Oceanic Six. Granted, that's only the lie the Oceanic Six have concocted; it's not actually true. On ABC's Lost podcast, Exec. Producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse said that the identities of those other two people in the Oceanic Six's cover story don't matter.

>Some suspect that Jin is alive back at the island, but why would he stay behind?

He might not have had any choice. It seems that the circumstances under which the Oceanic Six got off the Island are less than pleasant. Maybe Sun alone had the chance to leave and couldn't pass it up, lest she *and* their child both die.

I dunno, Sun's big weeping scene & Hurley's suggestion that they "go see Jin" made me think that there's no chance that Jin's hanging out with the Dharma Initiative & The Others on the island.

Overall, I feel totally cheated though-- they killed off & buried one of the few tolerable characters off-screen while simultaneously setting me up for a happy birth scene & then tearing the rug out from under me. Watching this show is a form of self-punishment.

@eain: I'm confused. Is it really a spoiler if the show has already aired? Are 20 million people supposed to wait around for you to catch the repeat or something?

Meh, don't like Lost.

Lost is good when people are desperately running from polar bears and a total snooze fest when people are desperately purchasing stuffed panda bears.

Jin is alive on the island. Mark my words on this.

Sun is just pretty sure that they will never see him again, so to her, he might as well be dead.

Sun has the sexiest lips!

@mattclary: Agreed on Jin. Even the way Hurley said they should "go see him" seemed too casual to be talking about someone who was dead, and even had a hint of irony in the tone.

The Truth hurts.

I'm not even going to say "..is it just me or..." because it so blatantly IS just me. But Desmond reminds me of Captain Haddock (beard, booze, murky past, boats, etc). Since I find both of them inexplicably hot I won't apologise for this comparison.

P.S.I'm not only in the UK but also don't have Sky (the Murdoch monster that shows Lost). So am just pathetically lurking here picking up plot crumbs.

I agree that Jin is alive on the island, just one of the lies the Oceanic Six has to stick to.

As for Ben's bodies, how about the Dharma Initiative people from the purge? Too decomposed?

The Oceanic Six don't include Ben, who got off the island, so any number of extra survivors might well be running around. Putting six all over the place doesn't make it matter.

Also, where does one get a lot of bodies? If I needed them, I'd probably just steal them from cemeteries and crematories. Killing 400 people would bring about a lot of unwanted attention. Perhaps the body-snatching is less than kosher with the religious, but it's not exactly super-villain level evil, either.

@Klappstuhl: What other TV shows don't you like? I'm dying to know.

I don't really follow Lost too closely, so I didn't know until this post that the plane crash was on my 21st birthday. Now I have another piece of trivia that I can throw out when my friends get embroiled in Lost conspiracies.

Re Aaron as one of the Oceanic 6: The usual argument made is that he can't be because he wasn't on the flight. But as the formidable Doc Jensen points out at EW.com, "Oceanic 6" is clearly a media-coined tag -- and can you imagine saying "The Oceanic 5 plus one baby born on the island?" No, if there were 6 surviving souls (as the cover story has it), no reporter would quibble over the details when there was a nearly-alliterative nickname to use in a headline.

OTOH, it remains possible that Jin got off the island but died sometime between arriving home and the flash-forward. The date on the tombstone isn't conclusive proof, since it was probably erected when the passengers were declared dead, and Sun might not have bothered/wanted to change it.

If I had a third hand, I could probably spin out some really bizarre theory involving Dharma, the Numbers, and Richard Widmore, but fortunately I don't.

I think the writers are killing way too much time with filler material that has nothing to do with telling the story. If I wrote a book that was anything like this it would be rejected. The editor would say, "I have no idea what this story is about." I watch the show because the acting is very good, the girls are hot, and once in a while something really interesting takes place.

@Jeff-Minor: "If I wrote a book that was anything like this it would be rejected. The editor would say..."

"What are you doing? This is a rip-off of LOST, get out of my office."

Worse Lost episode ever. Why? The Jin flashback added absolutely nothing to the overall story and was included solely to mess with us. I cry foul. LAME.

@gothfae: Excuse me, but it's a Tie-in, not a rip-off. Geez, A writer has to take his inspiration from somewhere! If I were to actually write a Lost-Look-Alike, it would never end. Ever.

@Klappstuhl: Well nobody on this page cares what you think if you have nothing constructive or valuable to add. Dumbass.