What about "Muffet"?

@Zantor: What about Doctor Zee?

I only have vague memories of the original "Battlestar" and never bothered to investigate the modern version. Were the Cylons always human creations gone wrong? I could have sworn that they were just alien robots bent on destroying humans, not human-made robots.

I might be mistaken, but my memory is cooler than reality. "Creations rise up against their masters" is trite and overused.

@t3knomanser: In the original, they where alien robots who rose up and killed their creators then started to kill everyone else they could find. The "Cylons" where not originally the name of the robots, but the lizard aliens who created them. Eventually the mythos went on to include the lucifer robots being based on the "god" who caused them to fight back, who was in truth, lucifer himself though it is only hinted at.

If you go back even further though, originally they where not even robots. In the movie that became the pilot, they where the lizards themselves in armor. A few cut scenes bore this out too since you see them bleed. But NBC wanted that element removed because it was easier to show "robots" being killed, than living beings. Granted in this original pilot Baltar didnt even make it to the end (his head is cut off not too long after the betrayal, since his usefulness was done) It was only through the superior acting skills of John Colicos that they rewrote him to live instead of die.

Cylons = Thetans? That's right, I said it.

@hopskipper: no but close. A lot of Mormon theology made it into the original, Larson being a Mormon himself.

I wonder what these robot-daughters are going to look like? Not the flesh and blood cylons, but more like the original series centaurians? Well, mebe less battle robot, and more Maria from Metropolis?

@lavardera: I was actually asking myself the same thing... I think they can't be human-looking, or flesh and blood, because no humans know about the "skin jobs" at the start of BSG. So they have to be pretty metallic, and not that convincing as humans.

I was hoping that "Cylon" was the name of the company that first made them. They started making chrome toasters and moved into consumer electronics and robots. Makes me laugh to think of an evil race of killer Sonys.

Every time my Roomba bumps into my foot I imagine that it is doing its best to eliminate humans. Poor, ineffectual roomba.

If I remember correctly, the original Imperious Leaders (I think there were actually three of them, scattered through the galaxy) were still partially organic (I assume Lizard-like). I know the TV series never went into it - they were just bumpy-headed silhouettes on thrones, so this may have come from Larson's pulp novelizations. or it may just be in my mind...

@flumbo: Don't worry, the Roomba is made by a company that *does* make robots for eliminating humans.

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Anyone else reminded of the White Plague? ... I love that book. I need to pick up a new copy.

No, I'm not claiming in any way, shape, or form this contains any stolen or non-original ideas, I just like telling people what things remind me of because I like to associate every thing with something else. You got a problem with that? If you do, what is wrong with being associated with a great story by one of the greatest disaster/sci-fi authors around? Well?

Why are you so quiet? It is freaking me out! Oh. Wait. This is the internet. I have to submit it first. Wee!

@MonkeyT: no your right, because the original Imperious Leader was originally a lizard himself when it was designed. You can catch scenes even in the pilot version of the show that show him head on and you can tell it was meant to be a lizard that was "morphed" into a robot.

I can't say I'm a big fan of the new BSG. Not because they changed stories or characters. But little things like they FTL but can't work with computers? come on.

But most of all I my thoughts on the original plot line seems to be what I thought it was and I will be able to confirm it with the end of series.

@tricky69: I think a real mind-frack ending for the series should follow their "all of this has happened before and all of this will happen again" philosophy. When they get to earth there should be dozens of ancient battlestars (including the version from the original series) in orbit. Some abandoned for hundreds of years.

Meh ^3

I'm sure other people have floated this theory out there before, but my feeling is that the humans of the BSG universe were created the same way the Cylons were, by the people of Earth. They won their war against humanity through extermination and interbreeding much like the Homo sapiens and Neanderthals.

They then expanded out into the stars, eventually forgetting their origins. And it's all simply happening again.

The humans in BSG make a big deal about how the Cylons are "only machines" when you get right down to it, but we all know that's essentially what human beings are anyway. Biological machines. Just like the skin jobs.

I'm sure other people have floated this theory out there before, but my feeling is that the humans of the BSG universe were created the same way the Cylons were, by the people of Earth. They won their war against humanity through extermination and interbreeding much like the Homo sapiens and Neanderthals.

I agree. This seems to be the most logical theory, IMO. The Earth humans (us, essentially) invented a cybernetic race which, like the cylons, evolved into a flesh-and-blood species (the ancestors of the colonists). I'm guessing after a huge war with the Earth humans they were banned or exiled or left to settle on Kobol, and like you said, forgot their origins.

But it's also possible Moore & co. hgave something else up there sleeve. If they do, I hope it at least makes sense.

Bill Adama's dad invented the Cylons and this is the first we have heard of it?

You would think that would have been brought up by this point.

I'm assuming it sounded something like this, "Good grief I'm sick to death of these humans! They are the cause of all our problems. They must be eliminated."

Reminds me of Dr Manhatten's Mars Castle from Watchmen. And with the new movie, it may be viral marketing for that.

it was probably something more along the lines of Flight of the Concords "Robot Song."

@Falconfire: Wait, so the Cyclons--in the original TV show--were satanist lizard-man robots?

@flumbo: I think at the end, we should find out that the secret king of the Cylons was actually Patrick McGoohan.

Great sounds like a whole series about talking to people that don't exist. Just like BSG season 3, where they ran out of ideas so every other episode was about an imaginary friend.

Here's an idea: how about more space fighting and meaningful moral conflicts like what made the first 2 seasons great?

@braak (is *whew*): But we already know who #6 is...But who is #1?

@Rev-E: Also Patrick McGoohan.

That is the joke!

THEY ARE ALL PATRICK MCGOOHAN!

Whoooaaah!

@flumbo: My thinking was similar, but based on the first thing that Six said in the mini series: "Are you real?". It's one of two things, a simulation that the Cylons are running; OR it's the the remaining humanity is actually Cylons who have been programmed to be as close to human as possible because the Cylons are in philosophical quandary about why they exist.

whoa...where can i get that pic of the Galactica for my desktop??

@braak (is *whew*): in short? Yes.

@Falconfire: That's...kind of amazingly rad.

SPACESHIPS!!!?? Will there be frackin' spaceships!!? With lazerz?!

I can't remember clearly if they already answered this in the show (or possibly in Razor), but what's with the goo-bath cylons? The ones that run the Basestars. Could the dead girl be the first of those?

@Rev-E: If you had caught Razor the one time they showed it or plopped down the $20 at Target like I did you would know that #1 was an old dude floating in a bucket of goo that looked a lot like Johnathan Harris.
I just wish he would have said "By your command" at least once. What happend to the word feldercarb by the way?