Down But Not Out of Torchwood?

With the explosive season finale of Torchwood having aired in the UK this weekend (It's not just Doctor Who and Battlestar Galactica around here, you know), Naoko Mori has been talking about not only what happened to her character Tosh this time around, but what may be happening to her next season, as well. If you don't want to be spoiled, don't read any further.

Despite Tosh being killed in the season finale (See? Told you I was going to spoil it; Owen also apparently dies, but he was kind of dead already), Mori feels that there's a possibility you may see her in future episodes:

I hope so. Never say never. There has been talk and we've kind of left that open and in the air. It would be nice, wouldn't it? ...I would never say no to [going back], but as I've always said, I want to make sure it's done for the right reason. It all depends on the story and should not just for the sake of it. If they do then I'm sure it will be, because it's Russell and the great team of writers he has. We'll just have to see, I guess.

Mori also talked about how she felt about the death in the first place:

I found out probably a good two months' before, in September of last year. When I was told, I was obviously shocked and sad, but to be honest, it made sense to me. The show needed a big season finale. It also made sense because Tosh has been through so much. She's come a full circle and had her journey... Sometimes when these deaths occur, one of the dangers is that it's just done for shock value. I wanted it to be shocking, but not just for the sake of that. Hopefully it comes across that way. It wasn't in vain and there was a purpose.

That purpose, of course, was ridding Torchwood of two of its more bland characters. Now, all we have to do is get rid of Gwen and we're all set for a better season 3.

Naoko Mori [Digital Spy]

3:14 PM on Mon Apr 7 2008
By Graeme McMillan
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Dillenger69 at 03:28 PM on 04/07/08
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I wasn't going ot bother with this season but it turned out to be ok.
I really won't miss owen.

How many times to people recon Jack died in that episode?
I'm surprise he hopped up like he'd just had a good nap.
He didn't even need to change his clothes.
Seth L at 03:33 PM on 04/07/08
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Quick! Top 10 ways to resurrect a dead sci-fi character:

1) Were not really dead (retcon)
2) Clone
3) Time travel
4) Computer with programmed personality
5) Evil Doppelganger
6) Ghost/Jedi Spirit/Intangible simulacrum
7) No explanation
8) Frankenbody
9) Mutant healing properties
10) Children's hopes and prayers (only works on giant turtles)
goldenthorn at 03:45 PM on 04/07/08
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Wait, what?! I only just finished episode 3 of the second season, but how is Gwen bland?! So far, she's been fantastic: genuinely complicated and the "heart of the team".
Hmm, now I'm wary of the next few episodes I've got lined up...
modernboy at 03:46 PM on 04/07/08
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neither character was quite bland this season. and i have to say that the final conversation between the two was fantastic. brilliantly acted, touching, and well the explained the space pig incident so...
Jamie at 04:01 PM on 04/07/08
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I stand by my theory that Jack being buried under Cardiff and dying constantly is the source of the rift.

I don't think Tosh was bland, I think they just weren't quite sure how to approach her. I think she was a really good representative of an introverted geek girl. Not every woman has to be the adventurous party girl to be interesting.

I think they were just starting to find ways to explore her, and I am sad she is gone. I even started liking Owen a bit, but I'm much less heartbroken about him.

I agree, the final conversation between Tosh and Owen, especially the part where she stops his tantrum, was really well done. It was believable, and you could feel a lot of emotion from the actors.

Gwen.. Meh. The show needs her, but that said, I am not a huge fan. I like Rhys more.

Ianto is my favourite. And will, henceforth, be known as 'Eye Candy' for me.
bitgod at 04:04 PM on 04/07/08
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I always hated Owen, though he got better this season, which is prolly true for the series in general. I hadn't been paying attention to what episode this was when I started watching it, then had a "oh crud, what episode is this?" at the end there. I say replace em with Capt. John and Martha.
Glamourdammerung at 04:21 PM on 04/07/08
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@Jamie: I said that about Jack as well about two minutes after finishing viewing the finale.
Glamourdammerung at 04:25 PM on 04/07/08
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@bitgod: I could not see "Captain" John working out well, even if they were obviously a lot more of an adult at the end of "Exit Wounds" (though I was kind of thinking the goofiness in "Kiss Kiss Bang Bang" was due to Grey as well after seeing the end of season two).

I want Martha in the show about as much as I want them to dress a Weavil in a ballerina outfit and train it to banter with evil aliens. Actually, I would prefer the second option as I would at least find it entertaining.

I am guessing Martha will be back though at least for a little while and they are going to just write in new characters to replace Tosh and Owen.
CargoCult at 04:40 PM on 04/07/08
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@Glamourdammerung: "I want them to dress a Weavil in a ballerina outfit and train it to banter with evil aliens."

Yes, but will Captain Jack have sex with it?
Jamie at 04:50 PM on 04/07/08
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That would be part of the training, I am sure.
modernboy at 04:51 PM on 04/07/08
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@Glamourdammerung: it is definitely looking like martha and maybe mickey will be joining up with torchwood for series 3.

@CargoCult: of course he will
psych0fred at 05:54 PM on 04/07/08
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How much do you want to bet Owen and Tosh's salaries equal what they'll be paying James Marsters - John - next season? I think they only reason they got rid of them was so Russell can introduce an unneccesary and story-detracting love triangle between Jack, John, and Ianto. Why do I think this? Because Ianto aside from his relationship with Jack is the most pointless mutant... I mean character. Owen and Tosh have powers/uses but Ianto is only there for the relationship factor.

All in all while I find Torchwood watchable the episodes are largely forgettable and it leaves me longing for more drama I care about - not poorly written relationships that seem forced between team members.

I have to admit some of my favorite moments from the season WERE the direction they were taking with Owen as well as with Tosh (not so much their relationship but that was at least believable as it was built up over time). Tosh's background was cool as was Owen's, but they should have introduced them at the beginning of the season so we cared about them more for a longer period of time. Tosh always came off as insecure and Owen slimey or shallow until their fates had been sealed and we actually had a chance to care about them.

My favorite/most memorable episodes of the season - Meat, A Day in the Death Of, Adrift, and Fragments. Fragments only ranks for the back stories, and Something Borrowed would have ranked if it wasn't such a blatant rip-off of an Angel episode.

Tosh's and Owen's backstories I liked but Ianto's I didn't because with his Torchwood past it should have been better. After all he'd been hiding his ex-cybergirlfriend in the basement. The season finale didn't rank for me because it seemed the whole purpose was just to kill off Tosh and Owen, but I did like Jack being entombed for a couple thousand years and being found by the steampunk Torchwood.
MissyMiss at 06:52 PM on 04/07/08
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I think Jack's clothes and mental health must have regenerated as well as his body while he was buried - he was dying and waking up repeatedly for two thousand years, and he seemed FINE.

Even though I'd been spoiled for it, Tosh and Owen's deaths had me in TEARS. I've liked the characters all along, but Owen's been especially interesting since he, uh, died that other time, and became King of the Weevils. Of course, in the Who-niverse, nobody's really definitely dead for sure, right?

I greatly enjoyed FEROCIOUS Eye Candy threatening Captain John.
stuartsez at 09:10 PM on 04/07/08
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Who says Own is all-the-way dead? And I actually like how they got rid of Tosh - she'd started to become less interesting. Here's hoping they replace here with another strong woman. And where did you get the hint that Mickey might be joining?
Furiursa at 09:54 PM on 04/07/08
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More Rhys plz (especially more naked Rhys!!!!) And more Eye Candy being all fierce and such :D

I have to say I'll miss Tosh, mostly because she could have developed more as a character, Owen from THIS season I'll miss, had he died LAST season I wouldn't have been nearly as upset.

I'm sorry, but is it me? or does Gwen's ex-partner seem more gay-catty than even Ianto? :P I swear he's only upset that Rhys married Gwen because he's secretly lusting after Rhys and can't come to terms with it!
jesustonight at 10:57 PM on 04/07/08
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I liked the second series but i kinda faded out after 3 "owen bemoaning his un dead status" episodes in a row
Glamourdammerung at 11:09 PM on 04/07/08
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@stuartsez: Probably because Mickey would be the only established character that had any computer skills.

I realise Martha will probably show back up (and I would not be surprised if Mickey did). It still does not mean I like it.
Angryrider at 05:35 AM on 04/08/08
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No me gusta Owen. Dang he's annoying...
It would have been cool to kill Ianto.

Anyway, I hope Torchwood season 3 is written differently than the first two seasons since Mickey and Martha might be coming.
solareclipse2 at 06:03 AM on 04/08/08
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I seriously thought (was hoping) the pterodactyl was going to eat Gray or John in Exit Wounds kinda like a guard dog.
Lieutenant 030 at 07:14 AM on 04/08/08
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@psych0fred: "steampunk Torchwood"

I want to see a few episodes just about steampunk Torchwood.

As for season three, it's bound to be different in ways beyond casting, because Chris Chibnall won't be the showrunner (he's doing Law & Order: London). I'm okay with that.
adam807 at 07:55 AM on 04/08/08
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Um, guys? Spoiler? I have no way of knowing how many of your readers are American and therefore won't see the end of Torchwood for 2 more weeks (at least not legally), but I'm gonna guess a lot. It's usually very easy to avoid British posts here - I see "Torchwood" or "Doctor Who" and I skip. And your wonderful tagging system makes it very easy to go back later.

But this headline, with this photo, pretty spoiler-ific and not appreciated.