Creative infighting between Edward Norton and Marvel, and weak buzz about the first trailer, have many observers predicting the Incredible Hulk will be the summer's biggest bomb. Even Stan Lee, the Hulk's co-creator, doesn't think it'll do as well as Iron Man, which has supreme buzz and fans drooling over every clip.
A new article in the New York Times, casting doubt on the green powerhouse's prospects, also drops a couple bits of info: the Hulk will talk in the new movie, unlike the TV show or Ang Lee film. And if Norton disagrees with Marvel's final cut of the film, he may refuse to cooperate with publicity efforts. In separate news, a fight coordinator says filming of the Justice League movie has been pushed back to the end of the year due to funding issues. [New York Times, thanks to Christopher]













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I don't even know what Edward Norton was thinking when he took on this project.
It doesn't appear to be a sequel, and after the anticlimax blitz of the first hulk movie, this 're imagining' of the Hulk for the big screen seems to just exhaust people - especially with the uber-glam of the Iron Man movie coming out to compare it to.
Oh well, you know I'm such a nerd I'll still go see the big green guy - but let the record show I'm not even closed to as amped for TIH as I am about Iron Man - and I'm not even an Iron Man reader!
You neglected to mention however, that in the same interview, Lee said it would do better than the FIRST Hulk movie...
I have this weird sense of déjà vu, like I've already seen a shitty summertime Hulk movie.
I don't really have a comment about the Incredible Hulk. I just want to know if the image thingie works.
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No love for Hulk. It ain't easy bein green, big guy.
'Specialy when you're up against suave, sexy, tech-savy Stark.
Whose brilliant idea was it to have two Marvel super-hero movie out in the same summer?
@extracrispy:
No, but it made me laugh.
@Plague: Yeah... but that's not saying it'll be a hit.
Hulk sad.
This is SO fucking pissing me off. I am a huge Hulk fan and the trailer is killer. Norton needs to learn his place. He is an actor, not the director and I don't see why he isn't informed of that. I just don't get this. Ironman is really going to fly, no pun intended, and Hulk may or may not due to whiny actor? Somebody needs to crack the whip!
@Miranda Kali: marvel's
was that supposed to be rhetorical?
I didn't mind most of the first Hulk...aside from Hulk vs. Lake at the end, I thought it was pretty serviceable.
I don't mind a talking Hulk. It's canon, I can dig it. It even makes sense to me.
Unfortunately, I only really like the Hulk character in the team books he appears in, and the movie is solo-fare. That means you get a sympathetic Hulk unfairly persecuted by the man as he does his super-heroics, rather than a potentially dangerous unstoppable time-bomb who USUALLY means well, but might just flip out and level New York (and all the moral drama that comes from his "friends" trying to deal with the well-intentioned green apocalypse). Hulk in solo is a Spider-man clone without the wit to balance the whining, and with a whole lot more beating up inanimate objects.
Puny Norton. STAN LEE SMASH!!
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@sandmanfvr: To be fair, he is a director and has made a terrific film. As for the rest of this. Hrmm, its almost like Ang Lee is a good director who knew what he was doing, and they should've moved on from his origin movie.
The only thing the first HULK movie had going for it was jennifer connelly. Beyond that.. nothing.
Why does there need to be a HULK movie? Really a character in search of a reason to exist. I really think he was invented because the artist had some green ink left over.
Seriously, the money spent on this movie could have been spent on other things. If you must do, yet another, super hero movie, try Wonderwoman. Linda Carter looks like she could still fill the costume.
I didn't mind the first Hulk movie (hey, it was better than a fair portion of Ghost Rider, not to mention just about all of Daredevil and Elektra combined). And I'll likely see the new Hulk movie in theatres baring total trash word of mouth.
That said, I have to admit, I am MUCH more interested in Iron Man than the green meanie.
@sandmanfvr: As I understand it, it was Norton's rewrites and such that MADE the trailer (and potentially, the movie) killer. So, maybe he should learn his place. Maybe he shouldn't.
@diverguy: I think you mean gray ink. Cuz that's how hulk started out: Gray.
Hanyways, either way you put it, it does seem like this will flop, due to lack of excitement. Hopefully its so good that those who do see it love it and tell everyone how good it is and make them go see it. We shall see...
why is no one excited? Because almost no one knows it is coming out. Iron Man is everywhere and Hulk is nowhere. How can I say this? I live in Hollywood and there are billboards & posters everywhere (its a vanity thing here: "LOOK MY MOVIE IS COMING OUT").
I thought Hulk was next summer.
If you don't advertise a movie, folks won't come.
Ok so he has creative input? What is wrong with this picture is the old saying "to many chefs in the kitchen". There needs to be a line between the actors/actresses and the producers/directors or we get this crap. I don't have anything against Norton or anybody else, just stop the bickering like fucking school kids and get your shit together, the people that did the Ironman movie did.
@Belabras: I don't understand people hating on Daredevil. Is it a Ben Affleck thing? I saw it in the theater, I've gotten sucked into it a few times flipping past it on FX, and every time, I've thought, "All in all, this is a pretty good movie. Well-constructed story, good big-screen depiction of the hero's powers, some great fight scenes and actors, and basically every part of the mythos that needs to be there is. Playground scene's pretty stupid, but at least it's fun stupid."
I'm not saying it's a masterwork, but I don't get what people hate about it. The Hulk, on the other hand, was a loosely plotted assortment of fight scenes that climaxed in a fight with his suddenly super-powered dad, which strained even my consider ability to suspend disbelief well beyond the breaking point.
@ComicDork: I agree, I am a comic book nut and I just found out about this movie last week from looking up Robert Downey Jr. on IMDB.
@moff: Plodding fight coreography, inconsistent tone, and a laughable script. Afflek was a bright spot, no kidding.
@ComicDork:
Bingo.
@Bob_of_Mars: Norton may be a toolbox as far as humans go, but I really have no problem with his creative vision or direction. If he is fighting with a studio, it is my assumption that he is attempting to make something he is attached to not suck.
Studios have a habit of taking great things and making them suck. If he can save it, I am behind him 100%.
Hey Ed, tell those guys in the corner office that I have your back, it may help turn the tides!
Im going to see it, I dont care what anyone says.
Besides, I've been talking about this summer movies for a while and a lot of people said they were interested in seeing The Incredible Hulk.
I guess marvel shoul pay me for doing their job.
Yeah, the one bit of marketing has been a pretty shoddy trailer. The other problem is that most of my non-nerdy friends saw the trailer and said "didn't they already make a Hulk movie?" Of course we may scoff and say "no, this is from a different angle and directorial vision!" In the end though most moviegoers will say "Uh, I already saw/didn't want to see a Hulk movie." That will be the death of this film.
And if on top of it, the movie looks like a paint-by-numbers SMASHY SMASHY film, it's not going to make your built-in audience want to see it either.
But I'll probably be paying my 10 bucks and hoping for the best.
@sandmanfvr:
To be fair. If you were an actor and in the movie that is coming out the director has the bonehead idea to throw in some over the top racist scenes, animal cruelty, and some bestiality (just for shits and giggles) you would probably be upset and fight the director a little bit too.
I realize my example is extreme but there are some cases when the actor may be right. I mean people direct/relate movies more to the actors in them than the actual directors, so why not have a say in the final product?
Also, and this is my opion, I value Norton's opinions and views over Louis Leterrier's (director). Louis turned the Transporter series to poo, and Danny the Dog (Unleashed) was my least favorite Jet Li movie.
Maybe cause the Iron Man marketing train is ginormous and only one trailer for the Hulk has been released. Also the last Hulk movie was released in 2003, so it's not like it's fresh out of people's memories. A lot of people are going to be hesistant.
@moff: The DareDevil playground scene WAS ludicrous, with J-Gar apparently not really thinking it was odd that a blind man matched her move for move. Other than that, it could have been worse. I have so far refrained from petitioning the studio for a sequel, nor did I feel obliged to see Electra, despite my crush on Sydney Bristow.
@TheRemedy: Yeah, I haven't seen any Hulk slurpee cups yet. At some point I'm just gonna suck it up and drink my slurpee out of a 4 dollar iron man helmet.
@RAHfanboy: I saw Elektra accidentally on HBO, and it wasn't the worst thing I've ever seen, by far.
@Seth L: Fair enough!
@moff:
I'm by no means saying the first Hulk was a paragon of the silver screen. Or even good. Just that it was watchable.
By contrast, Daredevil was plagued by several terrible scenes (the aforementioned playground, Bullseye's bar scene, Bullseye and the plate glass window, Bullseye doing the whole cycle surfing thing, etc) each one leaving me wondering just why I'm watching the movie. Like Seth said, Afflek was one of the better parts of the movie.
@Belabras: See, I love that bar scene. What an asshole: He beats you at darts and then kills you with a paper clip, right in front of all your friends.
As I recall it, way back when (when I read comics) in the original comic books, Hulk was more confused misunderstood misfit than raging monster. Seems the movies emphasize rage.
Ed Norton is a dick. Daredevil and Electra were the biggest letdowns next to ghost rider.
Hulk speaking in the new movie is awesome, Hulk-speak is the best part of the comics. Hulk was rarely on screen long enough to say anything in the old TV series, and he seemed strangely mute in the Ang Lee film.
Also as it's been mentioned IronMan hasn't ever really gotten much attention outside the comic-world, Hulk on the other hand has. If this movie does well a large portion of the success will be because of Norton's star power.
Well you have to remember that this is a re-imaging of the same story that I wasted my money on the first time. It's only been a couple of years since the first one came out. How good could this one be?
I liked the original Hulk, it was far too introspective sure, but I paid to see a green mutated giant rip up tanks in a desert and I got that, a giant mutated poodle was just gravy. Plus the acting was pretty excellent through out despite the script not being so good. I'm pretty psyched for this Hulk too, Norton and Roth as adversaries? That sounds pretty damn good to me.
But then again I found a level of enjoyment in both the Tom Jane Punisher and the Dolph Lundgren one so maybe no one should listen to me. (I paid to see the Punisher get hit with a toilet by the Russian and I got that, worth my 10 bucks).
What, there's another Hulk movie coming out? After the first one was thought a bomb despite a great director and great cast? Hmmm.
Hulk should talk. The absence of that was one problem I always had with the TV series.
@Agent_spanky: The Punishe was awesome, I dont know why people hated on it.
Too bad he isnt going to star in the sequel.
@moff: If you liked Daredevil there's not much I can to you, because to find a more incompentently made film is hard to find. Elektra, Ghost Rider, The Punisher... or maybe not.
As far as Norton goes, I think he's a pretentious tool, but he's not just some out of control actor in this regard. Creative control was part of his deal going in.
@Macloserboy: It's just not that bad. I'm certainly not holding it up as something that ought to be studied in film schools fifty years from now, but it certainly wasn't incompetently made. The Hulk, on the other hand...
i for one am looking forward to the new hulk movie. and Iron Man even more. it'll be a great year for movies
Personally I think that this movie will be pretty good but to compare it to Iron Man would be unfair to say the least. Iron man has has been in the hype machine ever since we found out that the director was a fanboy of Iron man like the rest of us. Where as the hulk was announced and almost everything else was under wraps until recently. The Hulk has great actors and a HUGE fight scene, so I am gonna buy a ticket for certain.
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It looks to be the best comicbook movie coming out this year (with Iron Man being a close second) so i hope everything turns out well
@moff: Daredevil like The Punisher like Ghost Rider makes the same arrogant mistake that simply because they're dealing with a fantastic subject that the rules don't apply to anything else. Simply put, they don't try to ground it in any realism because "it's just a comic book movie." It was no more ridiculous for private attorney, Matt Murdock, to somehow be prosecuting a rape case than it would be to have him dressed in the Daredevil costume in open court. It was downhill from there.
And don't get me started on the horrific miscasting. Jennifer Garner as Greek? Ben Affleck as a superhero? You're being paid millions. Learn how to run.
Awful. Simply awful. I can't even watch it on cable at 1:00 am and I can watch almost any damn thing on cable at 1:00 am.
Hulk>Ironman 'nuff said!
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