"We came up with the idea for the Final Four at the end of the last season"

Yeh, no shit.

> Also, Baltar? Not Jesus.

Duh. Clearly. Jesus never got laid THAT much.

Now Baltar as John Holmes? Giddy up.

(I'd say Baltar as Priest, but he seems to prefer...women, and what would be out of character for that profession.)

"The notion of discovering that these are the four Cylons was never to make them completely different people"

Ummm....then WTF is up with the Chief???

He's obviously a cult leader. Every cult leader in history has gotten tons of action. That includes both Joseph Smith and Elron.
They also spout non-sense and attract the gullible (i.e. 'lost souls').

Hmm. That wasn't as spoilerific as I thought this post would be.

What did Ron actually say? They're not different, but they are?

Hrmph.

I've never got the animosity towards the shocking revelation that the producers improvised the story as they went along. Are the dynamics of storytelling that esoteric that people don't realize that plotting out every inch of the story beforehand is not only tedious but counterproductive? You need room to surprise yourself when telling a story, not only to keep the ideas fresh for the audience but for you as well.

What has impressed me is Moore's ability to work the new twists into the mythology and keep it internally consistent. That's the mark of of solid story telling skills. It is all too common for producers to drop the ball on this. Just look at JJ Abrams and his inability to end a story well.

The flip side is Chris Carter letting the network talk him into dragging X-Files out long after the story had already wound down to a point where it could have concluded. Moore and the BSG gang stuck to their guns and said, we're ending this story while it's still possible to do so in a way that will be satisfying.

So, is it Friday yet?

Not that this has anything to do with anything,
But that flesh-colored eye-patch makes me puke. Can't he be fitted with some kind of IR monocle or some damn thing!?
Did they loose their glass-eye technology when their planet blew-up?...

@Cantonkid: Yeah , Chief is bugging the fu@k out

@Gyrus: Your argument might have some merit if the show wasn't sucking so hard this season.

@slmcdee: Well...wouldn't you? Considering the Chief was one of the leaders of the resistance on New Caprica and hates the Cylons, and now his wife is dead...plus he's a Cylon? It made him question his whole existence. I think I'd freak out a little bit, too.

@extracrispy: Sucking? It's excellent! I can't wait for the next episode. To each his own, I guess.

Don't forget the chief already bugged out once when he broke Cally's jaw. Not a stretch for him character-wise.

@Cantonkid: Or Tory. Or Tigh getting the crap beat out of him by Six. Or the speach given by Leobed about how Anders always knew he was something different.
Biggest downside of BSG to me is that sometimes I feel like the writers ad lib a lil too much.

I don't mind the character development for most of the "final four," but Tori bugs me. Everyone else seems realistic, what with the self-loathing and all, but Tori seems to be competing with Kara for "Most Annoying Woman in the Fleet" title.

Well, I've noticed that all 4 Cylons are in strategic places to elevate Baltar's religion.

Oh, hell, I had the whole thing figured out last saturday when I was doing laundry. Maybe somebody else has notice it as well?

All 4 were on New Caprica during the occupation.

And I see Gaius Baltar as more like Nyarthlotep, the Herald of Chuthlu.

He's the Herald of the Cylon God.

i almost didn't tune back in this year after last season's finale. just making up a plot twist that major, just for kicks, is seriously toying with the emotions of the audience. people are invested in the characters. this makes it sound like it's improvised melodrama for the ratings.

so the producers hadn't even figured out who they all were from the beginning? lame. i mean, seriously, the point all along has been- "there are 12 models." if it wasn't really the plan from the beginning, it's super dumb. it cheapens the experience.

but, then again, i am still watching...

@extracrispy: You'd prefer... what, exactly? Robot dogs? Cute kids? 45 minute morality plays about the responsible use of the transporter? Pointless rehashes of every tired sci-fi trope we've seen a hundred times before? How would you make BSG better?

@jarvik7: You can still have a plan without it being figured out to the littlest detail. The producers left enough wiggle room that they could amend ideas on the fly. Which is what they did. Someone said, "Hay what if the other 5 are already in the fleet and we know them?" They then thought it through ,realized it had dramatic potential and ran with it. It created a twist that was unpredictable and allows for characters who haven't had much to do (Torri, anders) become more invovled.

@jarvik7: Agreed The idea that they didn't know who to cast as Cylons for at least five of the twelve seems odd for a show that is so excited about its multi-year arc.

I'm betting now they had no idea who to make into Cylons besides the four we saw in the original TV miniseries.

i think it's really just the choice of tigh that bugs me, personally. there were several episodes dealing with his character, past. now he's apparently just a robot? so none of that mattered? i'm just saying maybe they've written themselves into a bit of a corner that requires some pretty good answers to resolve- and if they're just winging it...

and one other thing- if tigh is a cylon, is he supposed to be some clone replacement or has he been one all along? i mean he's known adama for many years, even in the earlier war. was he a cylon then? weren't they toasters then? how exactly does that work? my brain hurts. i'm really hoping there is some solid story behind this, not just a new gimmick.

I like this season, but last episode was terrible. Maybe the worst of the entire series or definitely in the running.

@jarvik7: I suspect that we'll soon learn that the Cylons that the colonials created were not the first Cylons, there were earlier Cylons and the five are part of that line. Which is why they are older then the 7 and have memories and lives from before the War. They are weirder and more complicated but it ties into the theme of eternal recurrence.

I think we're going to find out that the final 5 are old, as old as the Lords Of Kobol.

I just hope something gets revealed, soon. The pace this season is downright glacial.

The whole show is a Dream.

The series ends when Kara wakes up in bed at home and remembers she fell asleep reading a book called "Gaius Baltar and the Galatica Chronicles" which is still on her lap.

She closes the book, gets dresses and goes down the street to the "Starbucks" coffee shop where a tall, lanky blond in a clingy red outfit, takes her order. Her boyfriend Lee meets her a few minutes later and they head off to the hospital to see her aged father who has just lost an eye in an accident in his home wood shop.

@russdanger: Yeah, all they have laying around is some weird Sammy Davis Jr. googly eyes. Which might actually work with Tigh's drinking habit, and the not sure which way's up Cylonny thing.

@diverguy: "And you were there, and YOU were there and..." If they do this I'll hunt every last one of them down and force them to listen to William Shatner's greatest hits.

Lucy...in the sky...WITH...diamonds.

@PeteRR

"Gaius Baltar is the Herald of the Cylon God"

Damn... you mean that he isn't the new herald of Galactus?

awwwwwwwwww :(