"In the same movie, Abrams revealed the ultimate fate of Cloverfield's monster - and the monster's name."

I'm pretty sure you meant to write "In the same article..." not movie. Otherwise Star Trek is really going to suck if they make the cloverfield monster part of Star Trek.

@diverguy: If they made Cloverfield part of Star Trek, then that would also make Lost part of Trek...
Meaning the Island is really a temporal research station in use by the changelings in the beta quadrant, and a first step in their eventual enslavement of Earth!

It all makes perfect sense!

I love star trek. So very very much. Heh, Cloverfield being cannon in the Star Trek Universe? That would be exquisite. The puny humans didn't realize that First Contact had happened earlier, they'd just killed it. I wonder if the tape is on file at Memory Alpha?

I loved Star Trek years ago. Haven't really liked it since Gene passed. Since then, the franchise just got flown into the ground.

Cloverfield was ok, but so overhyped. Guess I like moves that allow me to car about the characters. Didn't really care about the humans or the monsters.

Could never get into Lost.

Tying them all together, ho hum.

@lunadude: the franchise has gotten worse since Gene died for sure, but it had lost its strength long before that.

When you start to treat a unique creative process like any other mass produced product, it happens. The Trek crew was stretched too thin and made too ubiquitous...it was all about giving fan boys what they wanted, but not just some of it....all of it. All the time.

Same problem Lucas has with Star Wars.

Sometimes, less is just...more.

@darcymcgee: Horsefeathers!

Gene was the originator for sure, but as he went on he began to take more and more creidt for other peoples work to make himself the great font. Being a naive trekkie in my early teens I was crushed when various insider books showed that The Great Bird fouled his nest as often as he took flight.

That's not to excuse the oversell and dead horse beating of the Berman era for sure. I liked the Coto-driven continuity porn in season 4 of Enterprise, but by then the corpse was showing signs of decay.

I am really looking forward to waht looks more and more to be a fond farewell to the canon we know, and then a new changed reality for the new relaunch crew to explore.

(Trek is like a virus, it stays dormant until an attack flares up and then I go all ultra-nerdy.)

sigh. Typos.

Friggin typos.

"yeah, the monster dies after the end of the movie".
Way to ruin a nice open ended movie, ya jackass.

@Dunny0: Don't give Abrams any ideas!

@Smeagol92055: Nothing he can do could be any worse that Enterprise... Or Nemesis.

Honestly, if he wants to tie his crazy little Abramsverse into the larger fiction of Trek then let him. Hell, the Okudas' tied Trek to Banzi, and that didn't break anything.

Personally, I've been working on a Unified Theory of Meta-Fiction for years, and this would just make that job easier.

@Dunny0: -- and the road maps? And ice scraper?

Excellent. It's all falling into place.

@lunadude: Agree with all of it. Ho hum. Might as well tie X-files in with Trek, and Speed Racer. "Like, all of these very different ideas of future Earth all happened." Oh wait... Heinlein already did that. Number of the Beast anyone?

Where does Felicity fit in this universe?

This is the first Trek movie I won't go see. I regretted having gone to see Nemesis and I won't make that mistake again.

It's a good thing that I can feed my cravings for visual SF by watching kiddie movies and kiddie TV shows. There's fortunately a lot more good SF in "Kim Possible Movie: So the Drama" (2005) than in what passes for an adult SF movie these days, and something like Lilo & Stitch (2002) is the animated modern equivalent to golden age SF.

Abrams or no Abrams, Roddenberry or no Roddenberry...I'll go see the fucker just because the sight of the original Enterprise being built in drydock sends the preteen trekkie weenie-boy in me utterly stratospheric with glee. All else can just bounce off my left nut. Star Trek, HELL YEAH!

@monkity: For sure, you don't get much trippier than Number of the Beast. And it also made it very clear that sf and f writers steal lots of their ideas from all the other stuff that's come before. I'm going to do an Oz book that'll really show just how Wicked those Munchkins can be! My new evil storm troopers are going to be short.

In about 60 years, when we do send ships into deep space, Gene...
You will be remembered.

@Jeff-Minor: "Aren't you a little tall for a Stormtrooper?"

I hadn't seen the clip in Cloverfield where there's a missle splash in the water off coney island. I finally found it at 1:13:22 on the movie timeline. (iTunes Download version)

@Dunny0: Someone beat you to your unified theory, I'm afraid: The Tommy Westpahll Muliverse, which already proves Stark Trek, X-Files, and Lost exists in the same universe.

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Loved Nemesis!

So The new Star Trek film will have pointless flashbacks, random story threads that go nowhere and lousy melodrama instead of character development. Sweet!

Because if there's one thing Trek needs, it's to make less sense.

"It's a prequel and a sequel at the same time!"

Oh, the horrible things time travel and flashbacks can do to you.

@zerofritz: THANK YOU! I was trying to remember that last night actually...
Just because they did it doesn't mean I can't attempt to do it with more style. Also, it makes the work day pass quicker.

'baby spock'? is this gonna be like Muppet Babies and Flintstone Kids? i mean, muppet babies is rad and all that, but 'baby kirk' sort of comes off as 'f*cking creepy'.

@Torley: "So the toxic avenger gives birth to his own mother? That makes no freakin sense!" ahhh the presequal

Aren't they making a second Cloverfield? I am slightly confused as to how this can be if the monster is dead. Another perspective?

New monster, or....

there were those little tiny ones, and I'm envisioning a plot where some of the little guys were caught by government scientists and kept for study.

Only one wasn't caught, survived in the New York sewer (because anything can down there) and goes searching for its fellow monsters (telepathically connected, of course.)

Pretty much the plot of every 'aren't the aliens dead?" film really...well executed it can work, poorly executed...blurg.

@Plague: Only if you liked that crappy "Let's make a franchise ending." Here in NYC some people refuse to see it because there's no cathartic justice for the city's destruction.

@matriaya: Sadly, that's what he's said, but why anyone would pay to see the same damn movie again is beyond me.

considering what roddenberry did to Harlan Ellison's script, its clear the brain died many years before the body. I thought DS9 was pretty good and NG had its moments in the later seasons. And if this clown is the director of Clovercrap, does that mean we will root for the characters to die in Star Trek too? let's hope its not a piece of shit like clovercrap, but i'll be money that it is.

i don't like the sound of this new movie any more than before....
i mean... umm the enterprise was first captained by Christopher Pike.... so umm... showing the ship in building, and then going on about kirk makes me wonder wtfh is going on.
the entire "first captain" being given the boot or something?

i don't think i'm gonna be seeing this one at all either way, but i hope it doesn't go Voyager/Enterprise and make the whole show about the vixenous babe with the huge knockers the entire way through once she's introduced like those two did.

the ruined the entire thing for me :/
well... Ent was kinda crappy anyways, but thats beside the point, they still gave most of the airtime suddenly to whoever had the biggest breasts.

@GrimCW: Bruce Greenwood is Captain Christopher Pike in the film and is the only piece of casting I really like.

@Plague: Have you seen Titanic? Did knowing the ending (the ship sinks) ruin the movie for you?

Also, just because Abrams says Clover was dead doesn't make it so...just like J.K. Rowling saying that Dumbledore was gay didn't convince legions of Potter fans that it was so. Unless she writes another novel and explicitly states it in ink on paper.

@GrimCW: Don't get me started on Enterprise captains BEFORE Kirk, e.g., Archer (albeit a different Enterprise) and Bob April.

@robbie158: ROTFLMAO!

@Torley: if Abrams ever made Quantum Leap, it'll actually be in chronological order!! Blasphemy! Chaos! Bloody murder!

@SayAhh: WHAT???? THE SHIP SINKS. I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU POSTED THAT HERE!!!!

Sorry. I was channeling Moff there for a minute. I kid because I love.

Abrams is a hack, cloverfield was crap, glad that fucking piece of crap monster died, just wish he'd shown it is all.

Stupid pretentious fool.

@DSTRYA: Scary thing about baby Kirk is that the green-skinned alien babes are already throwing themselves at him.

@Balius: So baby kirk is being attack by nauseous babies?

It must be his speaking style....

causing....

horr-ible...

nausea!

@AmishJohn:From what I've seen, storm troopers do nothing that requires height. They just seem to walk around and get shot and die. Why do they even bother with the armor, it's obviously worthless. And those helmets are hot and you can't see real well. My munch-troopers are going to have Iron man gear and it's going to be rainbow colored and their guns will shoot rainbow colored death rays. How cute. They will be the gayest killers ever.

@nonbreakingspace: You konw, I'd be tempted to agree with "Abrams is a hack..." if Mission Impossible III weren't a rock and roll good time movie.

To be clear: MI: I and MI: II basically sucked. The only thing I liked about them was the fact that my PowerBook showed up in it.

But MI: III? That was a rock and roll good time all around. I saw it twice, and it was just as fun the second time.

So I give Abrams some credit.

Cloverfield wasn't /crap/ nor was it great. It was definitely the most original "monster movie" in a while, and in that sense it succeeded.

You should watch Abrams' talk at Ted. It was good, for the most part.
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Just when I thought JJ taking over Star Trek was a good thing, they go and sully it by connecting it to all of the other "cannon" stuff. And I haven't seen Cloverfield yet, thanks for ruining the ending JJ! Bring back Alias! Denny Crane