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Image of ManchuCandidate ManchuCandidate 04/07/09

Seems a bit counterproductive to me.


My painful memories are life lessons and changes (for the better) to my persona not that I want to go through them AGAIN.


What's the damn point in learning/living if you don't deal with the emotional pain of your screwups and learn from your mistakes? Reply


Image of W. Seth Hanisek W. Seth Hanisek 04/07/09

@ManchuCandidate: You make a fair point, but there are plenty of painful memories that are not of one's own making that could be purged to the benefit of all. There may also be applications for phobia treatment. Using this tech as a screenwipe for your mind is just irresponsible - that does not invalidate the principle. Reply

Image of Jennifistopheles Jennifistopheles 04/07/09

@ManchuCandidate: An emotional reaction is a good thing. A hysterical reaction is not. I think that should be the distinction.


Sure, we all learn from our pain and fear. But something that can reprogram us to not behave like blithering idiots when faced with something that scares us apeshit, then that might be a good thing. I'm all for remembering the second boyfriend, because those memories teach me what I don't want in the future and how to avoid situations like that in the future. I could lose the fear of asphyxiation based on a real life event, though. Reply


Image of tetracycloide tetracycloide 04/07/09

@ManchuCandidate: that begs the question do you have to deal with extensive emotional pain to learn from your mistakes. Reply

Image of ManchuCandidate ManchuCandidate 04/07/09

@tetracycloide:

I think so. Emotional pain is a symptom not the cause of deeper issues.


I know more than a few folks who can't face their real problems because they want to avoid the pain of actually facing up to their problems/mistakes/who they really are. Reply


Image of ManchuCandidate ManchuCandidate 04/07/09

@tetracycloide:

Just to add one thing.


I used to hide from my pain (denial mostly and sometimes booze) too rather than face who I was. In my mid 20s, I screwed up my life in such a way that I had nowhere to hide from it. It was a very unpleasant 10 months (not jail.)


I did not enjoy the experience one damned bit, but I stopped blaming everyone but myself for my problems. Reply


Image of jp182 jp182 04/07/09

@ManchuCandidate: Well, from what I took from this article, the treatment gets rid of the emotional pain felt along with the memory but the memory isn't necessarily gone.


So it's not like you won't remember the painful memory; it just wont feel painful anymore. That doesn't mean that you will forget how painful it used to feel. Reply


Image of tetracycloide tetracycloide 04/07/09

@ManchuCandidate: the fact that it's a symptom, not the cause, is really my point. with physical pain relating to a physical problem it's entirely possible to mask or remove the pain with the proper application of pain-killers to make the process of dealing with the cause easier. it's not a huge leap in logic to suggest that dealing with the deeper issues would be easier without simultaneously having to deal with the emotional pain.


in point of fact, denial and booze were not methods for hiding from pain they were methods to hide from the problem by pretending it didn't exist and killing brain cells respectively. there's a huge difference between self medicating with delusions and alcohol and psychotherapeutic techniques like removing a pavlovian response to a special song or place.


pain is necessary because it tells us when something is wrong, physically or emotionally, but once the problem has be properly diagnosed the pain is no longer necessary. Reply


Image of ParryLost ParryLost 04/07/09

@ManchuCandidate:I would imagine the most productive application would be in treating Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder. Reply

Image of Tzepish Tzepish 04/07/09

@ManchuCandidate: "My painful memories are life lessons and changes (for the better) to my persona not that I want to go through them AGAIN."


This reasoning is exactly why I'd want certain painful memories to be erased - because I'm tired of going through them again. Reply


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