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I've never understood the conflict between Science and Faith -
Science, for me, is about what I know about the Universe.
Faith is about how I feel about what I know about the Universe. Reply
Science, for me, is about what I know about the Universe.
Faith is about how I feel about what I know about the Universe. Reply
@goldfarb: Er, really? I didn't know faith had anything to do with feeling.
Science, for me, is about knowing the "how".
Faith is about knowing the "why".
In both cases, it doesn't matter what I feel.
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@equustel: Except I've yet to see any religious faith that can actually tackle the "why" question in any meaningful terms.
For starters, all religions tend to view humans as important, especially Western religions. I agree that humans are important to humans- but the rest of the universe doesn't look like it gives us a second thought.
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@goldfarb: Well put and I second the sentiment. The conflict between atheists and fundamentalists is ridiculous, and it pulls everybody who can reconcile faith and reason into the fight as well, forcing them to choose sides. It's absolutely ridiculous.
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@Atnakena:
To the defense of atheists like myself, the religious fundamentalists started it. (Neener, neener, neener!)
But seriously, I have to ask, why does it pull agnostic or religous moderates in? Why can't they just let us stew in our own juices?
You have an answer?
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@corpore-metal: Yes--because Atheists tend to use the term "religion" in a very general and blanketing way. Fundamentalists also tend to lump liberals and moderates in with atheists.
As a more or less moderate voice in the internet fora I visit, I find I can't say much regarding the debate without being branded as a member of one side or the other, and encountering much hostility on the opposing side. Like it or not, we're as caught up in it as you and the fundamentalists.
Part of it is also my own sense of obligation: I find myself having to defend the under-represented position, because I can see truth in both sides of the debate.
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@Atnakena:
Well, maybe once the religious fundamentalists or atheists fade away, the debate will end. Unlike Dawkins I'm not looking to pick fights with religious or agnostic moderates.
But I'm not so sure it's accurate say that atheists are the symmetric opposite of religious extremists. Communist Albania aside, I think atheists as a whole aren't nearly as militant as religious extremists. I think we're less passionate about the whole thing simply because we know that passion will lead us in making all kinds of logical errors. I think there are other asymmetries between atheists and religious extremists as well. Reply
Well, maybe once the religious fundamentalists or atheists fade away, the debate will end. Unlike Dawkins I'm not looking to pick fights with religious or agnostic moderates.
But I'm not so sure it's accurate say that atheists are the symmetric opposite of religious extremists. Communist Albania aside, I think atheists as a whole aren't nearly as militant as religious extremists. I think we're less passionate about the whole thing simply because we know that passion will lead us in making all kinds of logical errors. I think there are other asymmetries between atheists and religious extremists as well. Reply