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    Image of CognitiveSystems CognitiveSystems
    11/07/09

    In reply to Nature Reclaims a Post-Apocalyptic Disney World

    I think all of these are interesting, but the frog in #14 is a direct rip-off of a Tim Flach photo. I recognized it because I have this print hanging in my apartment (the only thing that's different is that it's been flipped to the right--even the water droplets are copied). I'd be interested to know if Alexis Rockman bought the rights to that image... #alexisrockman
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    Image of Bootknife-Jackson Bootknife-Jackson
    11/08/09

    @CognitiveSystems: don't have to, it's art. no really, that's the reason. and the fact that it's flipped makes it different enough. #alexisrockman
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    Image of JohnnyZito JohnnyZito
    11/08/09

    @CognitiveSystems: Homage and inspiration come from all over. #alexisrockman
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    Image of Mike Caprio Mike Caprio
    11/08/09

    @CognitiveSystems: Like it matters! Right or wrong, Disney lawyers will just sue everyone into non-existence and bankrupt artists with legal fees. As Jafar once said: he who has the gold, makes the rules. Copyright means nothing to anyone with no money. #alexisrockman
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    Image of CognitiveSystems CognitiveSystems
    11/08/09

    @JohnnyZito: The line between homage and rip-off is an exceptionally blurry one. #alexisrockman
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    11/08/09

    @Mike Caprio: Actually it does matter. Tim Flach is not a household name. But say Alexis Rockman got famous off these paintings (I realize these were painted in like 2004 and she's not a household name herself yet or anything), it would kind of suck for all the other artists she "drew inspiration from" without acknowledging them. Obviously, if she had stolen an image of a crow from Van Gogh or a soup can from Warhol, those images are famous enough on their own to call upon a cultural connotation/reference.

    I wonder if that's what kind of makes me bristle about this whole thing: I went to her website looking for, I don't know, like a Works Cited page. I had my students last semester create art just using images they found on databases and the interwebs, but I made them created a list of Works Cited the same way they would have if they had written a paper and used a scholar's opinion. Just because an artist doesn't think up the original image doesn't mean the way they then arrange those images isn't artistic.

    Full Disclosure: I do believe Getty Images owns the rights to Frog Under Water, so it's possible Rockman bought the image from Getty. But I have no idea what their policy is in creating art from that image, as opposed to licensing the image for merchandise. #alexisrockman
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    Image of MonstersAndRockets MonstersAndRockets
    11/08/09

    @JohnnyZito: I'm not sure how the rules work for fine art (or if these images would be considered fine art or illustration) but a couple of years ago a friend's design firm had to pay off a photographer because they very loosely based an illustration background texture on one of his photos of a bunch of water droplets. They'd changed everything except a single droplet, which was upside down but otherwise untouched. Well, he recognized that droplet and was able to demand some cash for it. #alexisrockman
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    Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H. promoted this comment MonstersAndRockets was starred MonstersAndRockets was unstarred
    Image of Mike Caprio Mike Caprio
    11/08/09

    @CognitiveSystems: If Disney knocks on someone's door and says "We're going to bury you, so either sign this over or you'll be bankrupted by legal fees" do you think that person will just settle out of court?

    Anyone who believes that "rights" mean anything more than "he who has more money wins in court" is terribly, terribly naive.

    Also, you should know that "cultural reference" doesn't mean jack all when it comes to "rights". It is illegal to sing Happy Birthday anywhere without paying money to a music corporation - that's why chain restaurants all have their own invented birthday tunes that they sing. If some entity owns a work, no matter how culturally significant, and they vigorously defend it, it is effectively cut off from cultural connotation, and that's exactly what our laws allow. #alexisrockman
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    Image of lukeoneil47 lukeoneil47
    11/08/09

    No one in this thread has any idea what they are talking about. #alexisrockman
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    Image of JohnnyZito JohnnyZito
    11/10/09

    @MonstersAndRockets: You have to prove ten points of similarity to win a case like that. The design firm didn't wanna go to court. #alexisrockman
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    Image of Mike Caprio Mike Caprio
    11/11/09

    @lukeoneil47: Feel free to self-educate! [questioncopyright.org] #alexisrockman
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    Image of lukeoneil47 lukeoneil47
    11/11/09

    @Mike Caprio: Thanks for the invite. I stand by my statement all the same. #alexisrockman
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    Image of Dirk Anger Dirk Anger
    09/25/09

    In reply to Poster Mashups Cast Classic Movies in a New Light
    I think I've seen #14 before, but with Alf
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    Image of Purple Dave Purple Dave
    09/25/09

    In reply to Poster Mashups Cast Classic Movies in a New Light
    #6 and #14 are the only two that had me laughing, and for several of them I only recognize one of the source movies.
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    Image of Yamato Yamato
    09/23/09

    In reply to Pixar Animator Gives Characters a Lego Makeover
    #1 Dr.Horrible
    #2 Han Solo
    #3 BumbleBee
    #4 Voltron
    #5 terminator
    #6 Iron Man
    #7 ThunderCats
    #8 Iron Giant
    #9 boba fett
    #10 James T. Kirk
    #11 optimus prime
    #12 Wolverine
    #13 Terminator 2
    #14 ALien

    THERE YA GO!
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    Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H. promoted this comment Yamato was starred Yamato was unstarred
    Image of phoenix6666 phoenix6666
    09/23/09

    In reply to Pixar Animator Gives Characters a Lego Makeover
    What's #1 and #14?
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    Image of Zachery M. Zachery M.
    09/23/09

    @phoenix6666: #1 is Doctor Horrible.
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    Image of Dr Emilio Lizardo Dr Emilio Lizardo
    09/23/09

    @phoenix6666: I think #1 is Dr Horrible, but I'm stumped on 14.
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    Image of Jeff Weidner Jeff Weidner
    09/23/09

    @phoenix6666: # 14 is an Alien. Here's the Flikr page with all the models done so far
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    Image of TemporalSword TemporalSword
    09/23/09

    @phoenix6666: Alien, I would guess for #14.
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    Image of Discodave: R.O.A.C.H. M.O.T.E.L. Discodave: R.O.A.C.H. M.O.T.E.L.
    09/23/09

    @Jeff Weidner: Good call with the link. These are great - the Walter Sobchak is genius.
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    Image of Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H. Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
    07/28/09

    In reply to Boobs, Balls And Batman: Comic Con Badvertising
    And people got paid to come up with this.

    Kudos to whoever FTFY #14. I salute you, dude with a Sharpie!
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    Image of Belabras: now with Kung Fu grip! Belabras: now with Kung Fu grip!
    03/18/09

    In reply to 25 Other Names The Sci Fi Channel Could Rebrand With
    #4 would be the most correct moniker.


    #14 is my personal favorite. Can you imagine if they combine incredibly boring fishing shows with their regular lineup? Would it change anything at all?

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    Image of crashedpc - Haifisch crashedpc - Haifisch
    03/18/09

    @Belabras, Apocalypse Troll: Would anyone notice? A Mansquito is, after all, a very large chunk of bait.
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    Image of Belabras: now with Kung Fu grip! Belabras: now with Kung Fu grip!
    03/18/09

    @crashedpc:

    I think you could sub Big Bass Fishing in for Ghost Hunters and no one would notice a gawd damned thing.
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    Image of crashedpc - Haifisch crashedpc - Haifisch
    03/18/09

    @Belabras, Apocalypse Troll: "OOH YEAH... she's a real beaut, this one... classic 16th century wronged woman who was jilted by her lover... a real fighter, she is... oop, here we go... ahh, right in the trap!"


    "How do you feel after capturing this record size ghost after such an intense battle?"


    "Well, it was real touch and go there for a moment, but once I saw her flash that cleavage I knew she was mine."

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