Star Wars aside, I prefer my science fiction without nonsense like psychic powers. To me that's just magic and belongs in a fantasy story.
I guess I'm willing to make exceptions though. I liked Minority Report as movie though. I just ignored all the precognition stuff and focused on the futuristic, and mostly plausible, tech.
@corpore-metal: so you'd be ok with stories that have psychic powers in them if we ever advance to the point where they appear to be the next imminant step in development?
If the telepathy could be explained in a way that is remotely plausible, perhaps zillions of nanobots in my brain wiretapping my neurons, sending these signals out through a fiber optic cable to another person with similar nanobots and cable in his head. This might be just remotely believable enough for me to suspend disbelief. But telepathy based on some mysterious, physics defying ectoplasmic juice? No.
Precognition might also just be remotely acceptable to me if it was some very indirect, mathematical refinement to social sciences, like psychohistory. But having dreams about my mother dying in a car crash the night before. No. That's just coincidence.
Telekineses or any form of mind over matter is right out. If I wanna set something on fire, I don't just furrow my brow and chant real hard, I just turn a flamethrower on it.
All my examples require an instrumentality of some kind and are based real science that's just remotely possible.
Ectoplasmic psionic juice or The Force is just other words for mana or magic. It's hooey that ruins a modern science fiction story for me.
@corpore-metal: my point was really that those positions only hold based on what we know now. 300 years ago talking to someone on the other side of the planet without connecting wires would have been fantasy, 200 years ago the same situation would have been science fiction, and 100 years ago it became a reality (dates aproximate).
one century's man's ectoplasmic juice could be another century's man's quantum entanglement.
Sorry but quantum theory provides no support at all for psychic powers.
All the quantum la-la books that has been touted over the last 30 years where the authors claim that QM supports auras, dowsing and other such nonsense are just arm chair theorists who don't really understand quantum theory.
Of course we could discover some utterly new kind of physics that somehow extends known physics and somehow supports the claims of spirit mediums, Jeane Dixon, Uri Geller and so on then okay. But in over two centuries of looking and decades of parapsychological research we haven't found anything yet.
Now, a real scientist would say lack of evidence is no reason, by itself, to stop looking and I believe parapsychology research should go on. But in my personal opinion, psychic stuff is bunk.
@corpore-metal: again, that's true now but it may or may not be true in the future which leads to the conclusion that the difference between sci-fi and fantasy is not what's on the pages as much as it's what century the reader is living in.
@braak: Also, why did I call it a novel, when it is clearly a play? I think it's because I saw Smeagol call it a novel up above, and it got stuck in my head.
@Mount_Prion: Yeah, both have very closely-related premises. Capek was all about exploring the relationships of the proletariat, borgeoisie, serfdom, etc.
@braak: I call it a "surreal morality play." I do say, up top, that my list is a list of novels, and stories -- so I'd better fix that. I called "R.U.R." surreal (not surrealist, because it's not associated with the movement) because the play's characters are deliberately one-dimensional and abstracted; their actions often don't make sense; the process of rational thought, and restrictive rationalism generally, is mocked ("Rossum" is supposedly a play on the Czech for "reason," or "common sense"); and a dreamlike atmosphere pervades (opening lines include: Hallemeier: "She's asleep, asleep! She who sleeps knows nothing." Domin: "She doesn't know a thing").
@Joshua Glenn: I'm not sure that I buy the actions of the characters not making sense; and, barring that, the prosecution of the premise seems fairly straightforwardly rational--naming the guy "Rossum" isn't actually mocking rationalism, it's mocking the things that we choose to apply the label of "reasonable" to.
I think The Steam Man of the Prairies and similar devices in the pulp "Edisonade" type of stories aren't quite robots. They were more like the mecha, or powered suits, of manga and anime. But I don't want to quibble. This is an excellent gathering of Mechanical Persons.
@Grey_Area: No, please do quibble. I love quibbling. I did try to leave automatons (mechanical apparatus programmed or devised to do certain operations; no possibility of independent action -- relies on control from outside) off my list. I think "mecha" fits this definition. But it can be difficult to make the call sometimes. And I've never read "Steam Man." So... thanks!
@Joshua Glenn: I've never read the entire story either. I would direct your attention to Jess Nevin's excellent essay in the (often praised here) Steampunk anthology from Tachyon. Specializing as you do in pre-Golden Age material you are probably already aware of Nevins' tireless and prodigious research in period fiction. I wish I had bought his The Encyclopedia of Fantastic Victoriana when I had the chance, out of print already.
Nevins is like a SpecFic Librarian Warlod Supreme. Has i09 ever done an interview with him?
I could have sworn I saw an adaptation of ÄŒapek's novel, by an Asian director a few years back.
Don't remember the name of the short film for the life of me, but the premise was that androids did menial tasks in an office environment day in and day out, suffering humiliation and degradation by the humans that ran them, and were left in the office every night to charge. Eventually, a male android notices a female android in the building across the street and breaks his programming to go meet her, where they both instantly fall in love with each other, while the humans look on in amusement and horror.
It kind of made you feel ashamed to be a human after watching it.
Tiktok!!!! He was my most favoritest character in all of the Oz books, and I even loved him in the movie. Return to Oz was awesome back when my 10 year old self watched it on VHS...
@crashedpc: That movie is great. It is also made from 100% pure nightmare fuel. I swear, most of the imagery in that movie was designed expressly to terrify the children who saw it.
@bakana: Combine the Wheelers, the Deadly Desert, and the "Eggs Are Poison" Nome King, and I was shrieking and clapping my hands to that decidedly fucked up movie. Love it. Just re-queued it on Netflix.
@crashedpc: Was that the same Oz book that featured the boy that was really a girl, or was that a different one? I haven't read those books for 14 years.
@AmishJohn: When that Oz movie came out, my then-girlfriend and I took her little sister to see it. Completely freaked out. Not a movie for children! Glad to hear it holds up well for adults, though.
@Joshua Glenn: It is COMPLETELY a movie for children -- the generation of children who read the Oz books when they were kids (adn all ensuing generations of kids lucky enough to borrow their parents' and grandparents' copies to read).
That movie was so perfect it was awe-inspiring. It just nails the eerie atmosphere of the books.
@Adah: That's The Marvellous Land of Oz which is the second one. Ozma is the third.
I think the "Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley would be in my top ten list. It was a very powerful, depressing and in many ways prescient story.
I seem to recall another book, "We", by a Russian author (whose name I cannot recall) was published before Brave New World. This was another, communism gone berserk, story. It did not make as strong an impression on me as Brave New World. Perhaps it would warrant an honorable mention.
I've never read any of these. Thanks for the list! :) They all look interesting. Especially The Absolute at Large (hey, it was written in the land of my anscestors. I can't pass it up). And especially When Worlds Collide, because, hey, it represents my peeps, and my peeps frequently turn into half-naked mobs battling the National Guard (or something like that) when the Steelers lose a game.
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Star Wars aside, I prefer my science fiction without nonsense like psychic powers. To me that's just magic and belongs in a fantasy story.
I guess I'm willing to make exceptions though. I liked Minority Report as movie though. I just ignored all the precognition stuff and focused on the futuristic, and mostly plausible, tech.
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If the telepathy could be explained in a way that is remotely plausible, perhaps zillions of nanobots in my brain wiretapping my neurons, sending these signals out through a fiber optic cable to another person with similar nanobots and cable in his head. This might be just remotely believable enough for me to suspend disbelief. But telepathy based on some mysterious, physics defying ectoplasmic juice? No.
Precognition might also just be remotely acceptable to me if it was some very indirect, mathematical refinement to social sciences, like psychohistory. But having dreams about my mother dying in a car crash the night before. No. That's just coincidence.
Telekineses or any form of mind over matter is right out. If I wanna set something on fire, I don't just furrow my brow and chant real hard, I just turn a flamethrower on it.
All my examples require an instrumentality of some kind and are based real science that's just remotely possible.
Ectoplasmic psionic juice or The Force is just other words for mana or magic. It's hooey that ruins a modern science fiction story for me.
04/15/09
one century's man's ectoplasmic juice could be another century's man's quantum entanglement.
04/15/09
Sorry but quantum theory provides no support at all for psychic powers.
All the quantum la-la books that has been touted over the last 30 years where the authors claim that QM supports auras, dowsing and other such nonsense are just arm chair theorists who don't really understand quantum theory.
Of course we could discover some utterly new kind of physics that somehow extends known physics and somehow supports the claims of spirit mediums, Jeane Dixon, Uri Geller and so on then okay. But in over two centuries of looking and decades of parapsychological research we haven't found anything yet.
Now, a real scientist would say lack of evidence is no reason, by itself, to stop looking and I believe parapsychology research should go on. But in my personal opinion, psychic stuff is bunk.
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War with the Newts really was a novel, though.
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Well done!
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Nevins is like a SpecFic Librarian Warlod Supreme. Has i09 ever done an interview with him?
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Don't remember the name of the short film for the life of me, but the premise was that androids did menial tasks in an office environment day in and day out, suffering humiliation and degradation by the humans that ran them, and were left in the office every night to charge.
Eventually, a male android notices a female android in the building across the street and breaks his programming to go meet her, where they both instantly fall in love with each other, while the humans look on in amusement and horror.
It kind of made you feel ashamed to be a human after watching it.
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How about the horror on Tictok's part... one spring for talking, one for thinking, one for moving... none that he can reach.
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That movie was so perfect it was awe-inspiring. It just nails the eerie atmosphere of the books.
@Adah: That's The Marvellous Land of Oz which is the second one. Ozma is the third.
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Joshua writes a well thought out and enjoyable article, he sets his parameters, tells us why, and that's that.
I'm looking forward to more.
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I seem to recall another book, "We", by a Russian author (whose name I cannot recall) was published before Brave New World. This was another, communism gone berserk, story. It did not make as strong an impression on me as Brave New World. Perhaps it would warrant an honorable mention.
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