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    Image of lukeoneil47 lukeoneil47
    11/08/09

    In reply to Nature Reclaims a Post-Apocalyptic Disney World
    I don't think that knowing when things are kind of like other things is as valuable a skill as most people on the internet seem to want it to be. #alexisrockman
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    11/08/09

    @lukeoneil47:
    Amen. #alexisrockman
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    11/08/09

    In reply to Nature Reclaims a Post-Apocalyptic Disney World
    I would much rather go to the post apocalyptic Disney world than the current one. #alexisrockman
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    Image of CognitiveSystems CognitiveSystems
    11/07/09

    In reply to Nature Reclaims a Post-Apocalyptic Disney World

    I think all of these are interesting, but the frog in #14 is a direct rip-off of a Tim Flach photo. I recognized it because I have this print hanging in my apartment (the only thing that's different is that it's been flipped to the right--even the water droplets are copied). I'd be interested to know if Alexis Rockman bought the rights to that image... #alexisrockman
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    Image of Bootknife-Jackson Bootknife-Jackson
    11/08/09

    @CognitiveSystems: don't have to, it's art. no really, that's the reason. and the fact that it's flipped makes it different enough. #alexisrockman
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    Image of JohnnyZito JohnnyZito
    11/08/09

    @CognitiveSystems: Homage and inspiration come from all over. #alexisrockman
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    Image of Mike Caprio Mike Caprio
    11/08/09

    @CognitiveSystems: Like it matters! Right or wrong, Disney lawyers will just sue everyone into non-existence and bankrupt artists with legal fees. As Jafar once said: he who has the gold, makes the rules. Copyright means nothing to anyone with no money. #alexisrockman
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    11/08/09

    @JohnnyZito: The line between homage and rip-off is an exceptionally blurry one. #alexisrockman
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    11/08/09

    @Mike Caprio: Actually it does matter. Tim Flach is not a household name. But say Alexis Rockman got famous off these paintings (I realize these were painted in like 2004 and she's not a household name herself yet or anything), it would kind of suck for all the other artists she "drew inspiration from" without acknowledging them. Obviously, if she had stolen an image of a crow from Van Gogh or a soup can from Warhol, those images are famous enough on their own to call upon a cultural connotation/reference.

    I wonder if that's what kind of makes me bristle about this whole thing: I went to her website looking for, I don't know, like a Works Cited page. I had my students last semester create art just using images they found on databases and the interwebs, but I made them created a list of Works Cited the same way they would have if they had written a paper and used a scholar's opinion. Just because an artist doesn't think up the original image doesn't mean the way they then arrange those images isn't artistic.

    Full Disclosure: I do believe Getty Images owns the rights to Frog Under Water, so it's possible Rockman bought the image from Getty. But I have no idea what their policy is in creating art from that image, as opposed to licensing the image for merchandise. #alexisrockman
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    Image of MonstersAndRockets MonstersAndRockets
    11/08/09

    @JohnnyZito: I'm not sure how the rules work for fine art (or if these images would be considered fine art or illustration) but a couple of years ago a friend's design firm had to pay off a photographer because they very loosely based an illustration background texture on one of his photos of a bunch of water droplets. They'd changed everything except a single droplet, which was upside down but otherwise untouched. Well, he recognized that droplet and was able to demand some cash for it. #alexisrockman
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    Image of Mike Caprio Mike Caprio
    11/08/09

    @CognitiveSystems: If Disney knocks on someone's door and says "We're going to bury you, so either sign this over or you'll be bankrupted by legal fees" do you think that person will just settle out of court?

    Anyone who believes that "rights" mean anything more than "he who has more money wins in court" is terribly, terribly naive.

    Also, you should know that "cultural reference" doesn't mean jack all when it comes to "rights". It is illegal to sing Happy Birthday anywhere without paying money to a music corporation - that's why chain restaurants all have their own invented birthday tunes that they sing. If some entity owns a work, no matter how culturally significant, and they vigorously defend it, it is effectively cut off from cultural connotation, and that's exactly what our laws allow. #alexisrockman
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    11/08/09

    No one in this thread has any idea what they are talking about. #alexisrockman
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    11/10/09

    @MonstersAndRockets: You have to prove ten points of similarity to win a case like that. The design firm didn't wanna go to court. #alexisrockman
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    11/11/09

    @lukeoneil47: Feel free to self-educate! [questioncopyright.org] #alexisrockman
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    11/11/09

    @Mike Caprio: Thanks for the invite. I stand by my statement all the same. #alexisrockman
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    Image of Lincolnsbeard33 Lincolnsbeard33
    11/07/09

    In reply to Nature Reclaims a Post-Apocalyptic Disney World
    interesting but I don't see Epcot turning back into a swamp since it is built a good 10ft up above the swamp land. #alexisrockman
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    11/08/09

    @Lincolnsbeard33: These speculative fantasy paintings are bullshit with respect to logic! #alexisrockman
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    11/08/09

    @lukeoneil47: #alexisrockman
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    11/08/09

    @Lincolnsbeard33: blank white box you say? #alexisrockman
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    11/08/09

    @lukeoneil47: [www.youtube.com] #alexisrockman
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    Image of MargaretMoony MargaretMoony
    11/07/09

    In reply to Nature Reclaims a Post-Apocalyptic Disney World
    Nature says: "paint with THESE colors of the wind, BITCHES." #alexisrockman
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    11/07/09

    In reply to Nature Reclaims a Post-Apocalyptic Disney World
    Oh, I hope Epcot is like that by the time we go in February. #alexisrockman
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    Image of Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H. Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
    11/07/09

    In reply to Nature Reclaims a Post-Apocalyptic Disney World
    How do we get that much water into South Dakota? And that much sand to Vegas? #alexisrockman
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    Image of TheGreenRanger TheGreenRanger
    11/07/09

    In reply to Nature Reclaims a Post-Apocalyptic Disney World
    mother nature. patiently waiting to kill you in all sorts of horrific manner. #alexisrockman
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    Image of BottleKnockers BottleKnockers
    11/07/09

    In reply to Nature Reclaims a Post-Apocalyptic Disney World
    This all looks very Thundarr the Barbarian to me #alexisrockman
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    11/07/09

    In reply to Nature Reclaims a Post-Apocalyptic Disney World
    Aftermath: Population Zero has a lot of similar eyecandy. It's a documentary that explores what would happen if every human on earth disappeared. A lot of huge changes happen in a very short time, surprisingly. #alexisrockman
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    Image of leicester leicester
    11/07/09

    @Guang: I recall an article in Smithsonian years ago (early 80's) with an analysis of these effects on a number of American landmarks - Twin towers (RIP), Gateway Arch, Hoover Dam. Hoover Dam could survive to the next ice age without human maintenance. Theoretically, the pyramids would outlast that. #alexisrockman
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    11/07/09

    @leicester: Yeah, and as long as Hoover dam is working, Vegas will sill have lights. One of the last places to be seen lit up from space. #alexisrockman
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    Image of Vulcan Has No Moon Vulcan Has No Moon
    11/07/09

    In reply to Nature Reclaims a Post-Apocalyptic Disney World

    The World Without Us #alexisrockman
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    Image of botanicidal botanicidal
    11/07/09

    @Vulcan Has No Moon: That was an excellent book! :) #alexisrockman
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    Image of king_saberhawk king_saberhawk
    11/07/09

    In reply to Nature Reclaims a Post-Apocalyptic Disney World

    I know the 1st picture is supposed to be Disney World, but I still cant help and see the Montreal Biosphere. #alexisrockman
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    Image of TPL2008 TPL2008
    11/07/09

    @king_saberhawk: I thought that too. #alexisrockman
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    Image of bibble3000 bibble3000
    11/07/09

    In reply to Nature Reclaims a Post-Apocalyptic Disney World
    really enjoying the 'Snake swallowing a Gator' in the second one #alexisrockman
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    Image of GreyHammer GreyHammer
    11/07/09

    In reply to Nature Reclaims a Post-Apocalyptic Disney World
    wait is there hot pig action on that first picture?! #alexisrockman
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    11/07/09

    @GreyHammer: very first thing I noticed too....

    ...what does that say about us? #alexisrockman
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    Image of Bill-Lee Bill-Lee
    11/07/09

    @GreyHammer: Mud covered, post-apocalyptic swine things need loving too. #alexisrockman
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    11/07/09

    @Bill-Lee: It also looks wet and cold, if they aren't careful those swine might catch the flu. #alexisrockman
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    Image of Bill-Lee Bill-Lee
    11/07/09

    @bibble3000: Even more important, what does it say about the artist? I can almost hear his mocking voice..."Ha! Not only is man extinct but pigs will fornicate where you once took your kids to frolic." #alexisrockman
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    11/07/09

    @GreyHammer: Looks to me like Boar on baby Bear action #alexisrockman
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    Image of TPL2008 TPL2008
    11/07/09

    @Bill-Lee: Perhaps it's satire of a kind. #alexisrockman
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    11/07/09

    @TPL2008: Yeah, probably. #alexisrockman
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    11/07/09

    In reply to Nature Reclaims a Post-Apocalyptic Disney World
    F***ing Gorgeous! #alexisrockman
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