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AngriestGeek
10/18/09

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Aren't the Linear Men of DC time cops?
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CmdrHunt (aka Clarence Colton)
10/17/09

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Robocop will always have a special place in my geek heart - Peter Weller at his best.

Robo enforced the law the only way a cyborg from the 1980's could - which is by killing off half of Old Detroit's criminal population.

Judge Dredd - favorite future lawman. Robo a close second. #judgedredd
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ceti
10/17/09

@CmdrHunt (aka Clarence Colton): Robocop was awesome more for its statement on Reagan-era corporatism extrapolated into the near future. This theme was retained through all three movies with diminishing returns, but with the same basic premise of privatization of the police force and even entire cities. Oppressive Capitalist Pigs (OCP) was even seen spray painted in Robocop 3where a urban guerrilla movement rose up against Blackwater-style mercenaries. #judgedredd
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Communist Pope
10/17/09

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Take away Dredd removing his helmet and Rob Schneider Sidekick and Judge Dredd was actually a very faithful adaptation of the 2000 AD series. Heck, it even had an ABC robot. But yeah, removing the helmet (for most of the movie no less) was wa-a-a-a-ay out of character. #judgedredd
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Starlionblue
10/17/09

@Communist Pope: I actually liked the movie. It was a fun American blockbuster.

As a Brit commented said about Terminator: Salivation (I paraphrase): "When you go and see the latest American blockbuster you go and see the latest American blockbuster. If it's great, then great. If it's pants, you weren't expecting Merchant Ivory. #judgedredd
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franklinshepard
10/18/09

@Starlionblue: The movie was ok, but I don't think it holds up as well as Demolition Man. #judgedredd
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Starlionblue
10/18/09

@franklinshepard: Agreed. #judgedredd
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Bootknife-Jackson
10/17/09

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i have three old issues i got in a grab bag years ago, of Marvel UK's Strip Magazine, an anthology that ran, among other features, Marshal Law! a great predecesor to things like Warren Ellis's Transmetroplotin. also a good look at some of the early work of Kevin O'Neil (who would go on to illustrate Alan Moore's League Of Extrodinary Gentlemen ) #judgedredd
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Bill-Lee
10/17/09

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I've read that Judge Dredd was one of the inspirations for RoboCop. It's like Dredd gets on the list twice. He is the lawww! #judgedredd
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Bootknife-Jackson
10/17/09

@Bill-Lee: IAMABOVETHELAW! #judgedredd
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ArthurByronCover
10/17/09

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For my money, all two cents' worth, the original Robocop is the best satire on the Reagan years ever, better than Stone's Wall Street, and contains several sequences of excellent film-making that bring an unparalleled emotional power to the story. I'm thinking specifically of the sequence when Robocop returned to the empty home where he lived when he was alive, and the memories of his loving family return to him with stark vividness, while he wanders through empty rooms. The sequence concludes with both anger and humor. #judgedredd
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Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
10/17/09

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You forgot the live-action Robocop series, which was actually very entertaining.

Robo was indeed personable, as he had some memories of being Alex, and developed friendships.

That show should have lasted more than one season. #judgedredd
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Brian Fowler
10/17/09

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Robocop had a cartoon? I remember the TV show, but no cartoon. #judgedredd
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se7a7n7
10/17/09

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I'm just glad "Time Cop" wasn't included in this list. #judgedredd
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GreyHammer
10/17/09

@se7a7n7: that reminds me demolition man sort of fits.

time cop was such a bad movie they couldn't even reconcile how time travel worked. but i guess there was plenty of VANdamage. #judgedredd
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se7a7n7
10/17/09

@GreyHammer: Time Cop established that you can't go forwards in time, because it hasn't happened yet. When I saw that, I seriously doubted the logic behind it.

I can't think of any Jean Claude movie that I actually like. #judgedredd
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GreyHammer
10/17/09

@se7a7n7: blood sport? #judgedredd
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GreyHammer
10/17/09

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everyone makes fun of the judge dredd movie, but its seriously so bad its good on so many levels.

"I AM THA LAW!"
"LAWWWWWWWWW!"

classic. #judgedredd
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OW-Holmes:Bringer of Fear
10/17/09

@GreyHammer: I knew you'd say that. #judgedredd
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GreyHammer
10/17/09

@OW-Holmes: Bringer of Fear:

classic cinema! #judgedredd
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CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard)
10/17/09

@GreyHammer: The thing is...as an avid reader from the early 80's and going strong, a lot of the visuals were spot on. The Cityscape was awesome and the action was top notch. The gripes unfortunatly outweighed an average film. Firstly why did Stallone go on record and say he was a huge fan..then take the helmet off. Everyone knows that Dredds face was always in Rico. A nice touch for the fans when the comic launched that story. Then the film fucked it up!!! Secondly WHY OH WHY did they include an ABC Warrior...yes thats right, the robot that Rico re-starts is infact Hamerstein from an entirly differnt story in 2000AD. It was bloody stupid!!

Ive always agreed that Cannon really tried...and he was a loyal fan, he just screwed it up a bit. It also didnt help that 'The Ego' Stallone walked 4 times!! Avid fan my arse!! I do think the film had some cool pro's though. The Angel Gang looked authentic enough and the prosthetic work on Mean Angel was great. Aspen looked awesome and I really want voice recognition guns!! The female character was strong and true to her comic source, Megacity and the visuals (excluding the star wars esq bike chase scene), were great. I enjoyed it. Its unfortunate mister...'I am the Laaaaw' had to open his mouth so much!!

Bring on the new film. I hope it builds on the age of Dredd and his vulnrability. I hope they cast Clint Eastwood to play the weathered veteran of the streets. Its only fitting considering Dredd was based on Clints side Profile!!!
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GreyHammer
10/17/09

@CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard): see i went into the movie having never read the comic. so the campiness and the over the top stallone just make the movie like a train wreck. its horrible, but i cant look away for any reason. #judgedredd
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CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard)
10/17/09

@GreyHammer: You think its bad for you!! Trainwreck acting I agree. But for its time it had some damn fine visuals. Like you said though....Stallones OTT performance really didnt sit well with us avid fans!! But I try and forget that stallones behind the helmet!! And wen he takes it off...grrrrr. I try and think of puppys and flowers. Its stops me from screaming at the screen!! KEEP YOUR DAMN HELMET ON!!! #judgedredd
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GreyHammer
10/17/09

@CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard): expecting a huge star to not show his face during the course of a movie is just unresonable. there is no way that will happen. #judgedredd
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CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard)
10/17/09

@GreyHammer: I believe he had already agreed to this before he walked. Dredds biggest mystery is the removal of his helmet!! Dispite thinking the cloning to be such a big thing. It pales into a lonley second next to the helmet mythos! Accepting Stallones helmet removal (*Ahem) would have been ohh so much more sweeter if he hadnt been such a proper twat about it all. Infact he was hard to work with on set at all times. Rob Schneider found him particularly intimidating. Theres a scene in Dredds apartment near the end were Stallone pushes Rob to the side. That was real and very unwelcomed! Poor Rob. Do you think Stallone ever realised that they both stared in Demolition Man!! Haha. #judgedredd
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GreyHammer
10/17/09

@CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard): you blame someone for shoving rob schneider?! man i would push that guy everywhere. #judgedredd
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CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard)
10/17/09

@GreyHammer: But would that be before or after he shouts 'you can do it'!! #judgedredd
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KhaiJB
10/17/09

@CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard): "yes thats right, the robot that Rico re-starts is infact Hamerstein from an entirly differnt story in 2000AD. It was bloody stupid!! "

thankfully it wasn't Hammerstein. look again.. no hammer.

was just a similar type to Ol' Red Eyes.... #judgedredd
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CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard)
10/18/09

@KhaiJB: I actually was Hamerstein!!! The only thing missing WAS the Hammer. In fact the fans in the fan page went soo mad that 2000AD had to run a story (by simon bisley) that showed some kind of old style robotic war. It shows how the robot in the film gets into Megacity and becomes a relic, only to be turned on by Rico and the other one sort of..er....becomes part of the ABC Warriors. If 2000AD and the film have us believe, the robot in the film and Hammerstain ARE infact the from the same platoon of fighting robots. Infact there was a few hundred of the same...Rubbish. Hamersteins origins are completly different in the Kevin Walker early stuff I dont even think his encounters on mars or with Nemesis are even in the same timeline!! Its balls!!! #judgedredd
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Alasdair5000
10/17/09

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Marshal Law, on balance, was actually one of the last times 'Hey, look! We're parodying superheroes because they are dumb and we are being postmodern!' worked for me. It was never subtle but it never needed to be. #judgedredd
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Lassus
10/17/09

@Alasdair5000: The mid/late 80's group of Marshall Law, Nemesis the Warlock, American Flagg, and Nexus was so incredibly awesome I actually feel lucky to have been there. #judgedredd
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Alasdair5000
10/18/09

@Lassus: I've always meant to give Nexus a try. Any good? #judgedredd
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BadUncle
07/06/09

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The idea that political economy falls to city-state shopping malls ("Plexmalls") is also timelessly hilarious. Plus guns sounds lettered like "Poppa-ooo-mao-mao."
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jccalhoun
07/06/09

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I wasn't all that crazy about the actual storyline of American Flagg. However, the art was awesome. Remember that all this was before photoshop so when he did "cut and paste" he really did cut and paste the art.

Sadly, Chaykin hasn't really done anything great in recent years.
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goldfarb
07/06/09

@jccalhoun: agreed, Chaykin was really one of the first to use heavy graphic design sensibilities in his art - esp. the backgrounds, often using a sound effect covering the entire background of the panel (smart and cheap :) ) or really interesting patterns...
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BullfightsOnAcid
07/06/09

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As a young boy I only read superhero comics from the Big 2 but somebody recommended American Flagg from First Comics to me. It completely changed my world. I had never read anything so sexy and smart. It was so layered that I would reread an issue and see several things that I hadn't noticed before. At a comic convention once I asked Howard Chaykin if he would ever return to American Flagg. He made a face like he is asked that question all the time (which I'm sure he is) and he basically said no. I know it would be almost impossible to capture lightning in a bottle once again but I'd like to see him try again.
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Perhaps Not
07/06/09

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Are they reprinting the Alan Moore issues?
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