So, it's kind of cute that in the graphic, the big anthropomorphic robot is fighting modern, remotely-piloted "robots".
However, the artist shows the Global Hawk, an unarmed high-altitude recce aircraft as a strike platform. Kinda kills the mood, you'd think he could have Googled "predator"...
-Kle. #robopocalypse
@ManchuCandidate: And then to defeat the Predators, we get the Governator...to defeat the Governator, we wage war with biological weaponry, which creates zombies...which, in turn, will start the whole cycle again. #robopocalypse
@SJ_Edwards: I don't comprehend your logic. Sentience makes a person, nothing else. Or are you seriously saying that if I were to expand your lifespan indefinately, you'd cease to be a person? #robopocalypse
@SJ_Edwards: I can only say this: you are insane. You can't base personhood on arbitrary distinctions like that. I guess you don't think that paralyzed people qualify as persons, since they are not mobile. #robopocalypse
Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I've tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice.
-Robert Frost, 1920
I don't think the conceptual point of the missing apocalypse developed in the 90s. Note also Teasdale's "There Will Come Soft Rains" from the same year, where the only description is "war," not why this one was wholly destructive. What I think is more at hand is the "science" in science fiction. Especially for a purist, the lack of an explanation strikes as good as "a wizard did it." That's not going to cut it for a lot of people.
Likewise, there's the question of how much the event matters. Zombies aren't bombs. If you just want to hit a reset button on human society, it's not really worth dwelling in the details thereto. On the other hand, something like SF is going to frequently maximize on those details. So it's less of a dip and more of a peak before.
Which is dangerous to write, because I think it risks coming off as overly critical of not explaining. I actually prefer not explaining, for another reason, which may (to reverse positions) explain the 90s dip.
One of the more salient criticisms of the Watchmen movie (and by extension the comic) was that it managed to be both hopelessly naive and overly bleak. The Cold War taught an important lesson, namely that stuff just keeps going on. It's never as dramatic as all that. We didn't destroy ourselves, despite how close we may have actually been, which gives a sheen of the unrealistic to any situation where we do.
This is not quite that it's cliche. It's almost the opposite. It's a realization that the whole necessary system is just that more obnoxiously complex. #apocalypse
The reason why there is no notable post-apocalyptic fiction these days is because no one really cares any more about the apocalypse. We've decided it's going to happen, one way or the other, and we might as well amuse ourselves with other things while we wait. #apocalypse
Do you have a corresponding volume chart? Or chart of apocalypse-to-nopocalypse genre fiction?
Because I wonder if the breakdown in the pattern could be attributable to a rise in the volume of post-apocalypse fiction muddying up the waters. #apocalypse
@braak: good point - I can't speak for ms fox and that gorgeous chart she made, but in my original excel-generated one, I did correct for the change in volume, and everything still gets all muddled around the 90s.
But yes, up till the 1950s there aren't nearly as many pa books being churned out - volume peaks in the 50s and in the 80s, if I remember correctly.
FWIW, Frank Kermode's The Sense of an Ending traces the apocalypse - or end of history - as a basic western need through the beginning of its literature. I'm not doing justice to his thesis. But basically, he says we fear becoming insignificant in the infinite, and need an end point. #apocalypse
@BadUncle: kermode is the best. I discovered S. of an Ending about a month into researching my thesis and thought, damn, he said everything I was thinking, only way better than I ever could. *sigh*
I compromised by quoting him all over the place.
As soon as you said "20 years ago" I thought "Oh, nuclear holocaust stories must've gone out of fashion." And so they did. What's really interesting is that right after 1991 there are a few years where eco-apocalypse seems to be big. I reckon the anti-nuke people all became environmentalists.
Another interesting thing on that map - there's NO apocalyptic fiction during most of WWI, and the WWII period's dominated by "unexplained apocalypse" stories. #apocalypse
"Destroying the world in books about apocalypse is one way we can entirely take ownership of it. We can only see the world the way we have been raised to, the way our parents saw it, so we need to raze the old world and build a new one in its place in order to have a world that is really and entirely our own. The story of the End, after all, is not nearly as compelling as the story of the Beginning that comes after it."
Maybe in a world still run by the baby boomers the how is not just less relevant but irrelevant to the occurrence of the end of the world. #apocalypse
11/05/09
However, the artist shows the Global Hawk, an unarmed high-altitude recce aircraft as a strike platform. Kinda kills the mood, you'd think he could have Googled "predator"...
-Kle. #robopocalypse
11/04/09
What I wouldn't give for a good EMP device right about now.
Number five is alive my ass!
Sing Daisy, pinhead! #robopocalypse
11/04/09
See, that is the case unless someone gets their mits on Mom's universal remote.
Then you may proceed with the mass wholesale EMPing of the metal bastards.
And Old Mutual Liberty Insurance with Robot Coverage! #robopocalypse
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No, Predators (assuming they're ALIEN aliens.) #robopocalypse
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Lets face it, Hollywood is not the best place to go looking for accurate depictions of our future. #robopocalypse
11/04/09
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If they're sentient, distributed and immortal. They're not people.
Wishing it so, won't make it so. #robopocalypse
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11/05/09
Personhood based on non-cognitive criteria doesn't compute for me, anyways. #robopocalypse
11/05/09
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When he say's mobile I believe he just means corporeal and limited to one instance - Johnny 5 was a person, Skynet is more like a God.
10/30/09
Some say in ice.
From what I've tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice.
-Robert Frost, 1920
I don't think the conceptual point of the missing apocalypse developed in the 90s. Note also Teasdale's "There Will Come Soft Rains" from the same year, where the only description is "war," not why this one was wholly destructive. What I think is more at hand is the "science" in science fiction. Especially for a purist, the lack of an explanation strikes as good as "a wizard did it." That's not going to cut it for a lot of people.
Likewise, there's the question of how much the event matters. Zombies aren't bombs. If you just want to hit a reset button on human society, it's not really worth dwelling in the details thereto. On the other hand, something like SF is going to frequently maximize on those details. So it's less of a dip and more of a peak before.
Which is dangerous to write, because I think it risks coming off as overly critical of not explaining. I actually prefer not explaining, for another reason, which may (to reverse positions) explain the 90s dip.
One of the more salient criticisms of the Watchmen movie (and by extension the comic) was that it managed to be both hopelessly naive and overly bleak. The Cold War taught an important lesson, namely that stuff just keeps going on. It's never as dramatic as all that. We didn't destroy ourselves, despite how close we may have actually been, which gives a sheen of the unrealistic to any situation where we do.
This is not quite that it's cliche. It's almost the opposite. It's a realization that the whole necessary system is just that more obnoxiously complex. #apocalypse
10/29/09
10/29/09
Because I wonder if the breakdown in the pattern could be attributable to a rise in the volume of post-apocalypse fiction muddying up the waters. #apocalypse
10/30/09
But yes, up till the 1950s there aren't nearly as many pa books being churned out - volume peaks in the 50s and in the 80s, if I remember correctly.
10/29/09
But I actually liked seeing how everything got destroyed and reading all the processes that caused the chain of events and actually seeing happen! :[
Besides, once you finish the disasters, it usually gets resorted to some kind of "new beginnings" morality that everyone must follow... #apocalypse
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I compromised by quoting him all over the place.
10/29/09
Another interesting thing on that map - there's NO apocalyptic fiction during most of WWI, and the WWII period's dominated by "unexplained apocalypse" stories. #apocalypse
10/29/09
10/29/09
Maybe in a world still run by the baby boomers the how is not just less relevant but irrelevant to the occurrence of the end of the world. #apocalypse