I’m interested in science as a subject in its own right, just as much as I’m interested in the effects of technology on the human condition. In many things I write the two will be combined, but even then it’s important to try to describe the science accurately. In a novel such as Incandescence, though, the entire point is understanding the science, and it really doesn’t bother me in the least that it’s not an exploration of the human condition.
There are times when it’s worth putting aside the endless myopic navel-gazing that occupies so much literature, in order to look out at the universe itself and value it for what it is.
So... he's a fiction writer who doesn't give a shit about people? What kind of dumbass statement is that? That's WHAT LITERATURE IS. It's the absolute pinnacle of stupidity to criticize an art for being itself. It's like saying "christ, I wish peanut butter could get away from this myopic need to taste like peanuts".
What he wants to read and write sounds like speculative, non-fiction books about science and culture. Why doesn't he just do that, then? There's plenty of that in the world, and it's great!
Then he wouldn't have to sound like an idiot curmudgeon and I wouldn't have to type out why he sounds like an idiot curmudgeon. #books
People with no interest in science are very well catered for in science fiction; 99% of SF is written for them. I make no apology for contributing to the 1% that treats science as something of interest in its own right.
Whenever a new Egan book comes out, it's like a little piece of my Bizarro universe has slipped through into the normal universe. Maybe that other world's version of me is scouring bookstores for obscure Dan Brown novels and wondering why everyone cares so much about equations and shit... #books
I like Egan's writing; he's a very intelligent and imaginative guy.
But why with the hate of life before now? Sure, life in Earth's ecosystems can be competitive and cruel, but it's also infinitely diverse and cooperative, too. I'll never understand why so many people--even really smart people--miss that part and focus on the cruelty.
@Anekanta: I'm not really familiar with Egan, but I think the answer to your question generally boils town to a person's outlook on life. Optimists focus on what is good in humanity, and pessimists the bad. #books
@J_Frank_Parnell: That's true--it's just sadly a very popular view that nature is inherently vicious--especially with hard science types. I read the Keeping the Door interview and I get the impression that Egan is on the cynical side.
@Anekanta: Neither diversity or cooperation are mutually exclusive of competition. Really smart people don't fall into the the trap of anthropomorphism; there is nothing cruel about nature, that is a notion you introduced. The fact that the Earth's ecosystem is predatory and full of danger does not detract from its wonder and beauty. #books
@alphawaveseven: Yes exactly--competition and cooperation are two different sides of the same coin.
I don't think Egan was anthropomorphizing, and neither was I. But he used vivid, violent imagery talking about nature, and didn't leave much room for considering the wonder and beauty that exists along side the danger.
I could be wrong about that, but he goes on to say:
People with no interest in science are very well catered for in science fiction; 99% of SF is written for them. I make no apology for contributing to the 1% that treats science as something of interest in its own right.
The two statements combined tell me he's either fairly cynical (though he probably considers himself a hard realist), or he was in a bad mood when he gave the interview.
I remain fallibilistic as to these theories, of course. I have not met the man, and can't really judge him. But that's the impression I get from his statements.
None of this stopped me from enjoying Diaspora, the only piece of his writing that I've read. It was a great book, and I loved the notion that subtle changes in an otherwise barren planet's biochemistry would be as obvious a sign of alien intelligence as it would be if there were huge stone pyramids on its surface.
The flaw in his reasoning is to assume that an AI built out of computer hardware and software will evolve as slowly as biological entities have. There's no reason to assume that to be the case.
Just as an example, an AI built out of a quantum computer would evolve super-exponentially faster than humans have. #books
@Roklimber: Pay attention to what his opinion of brain-mapping is. I very much agree with him that the best way to approach the problem is to study the only current example of sentient life that we know, and extrapolate from there.
As for the fears concerning the AI, I consider those fears both as foolish and as serious as the fear towards other human beings. Yes, treated wrong an AI can indeed emerge as a sociopath, or otherwise demented, but in right circumstances it can show as much altruism as any of us. The mistake that people are making is seeing the AI as an alien Other that is incomprehensible and potentially malign, when the most likely example of an AI will be modelled after human consciousness, and raised in human-like environment, and can be expected to mirror the humanity both in good and ill.
And since the AI will probably a side-product in the research into improving the human mind artificially, I don't see it as a threat to human control over this planet, either. They'll be more advanced than we are now very quickly after their birth, but so will we. Only the Luddites refusing to upgrade are in any danger of obsolesence. #books
@Lightice: I was referring only to the pace at which AIs would evolve. He makes an assumption - that they'd evolve as slowly as human intelligence - that isn't justified, because both the hardware and the software are different between humans and non-biological AIs.
"Pay attention to what his opinion of brain-mapping is. I very much agree with him that the best way to approach the problem is to study the only current example of sentient life that we know, and extrapolate from there."
I think brain-mapping is a promising line of research in understanding the brain and the human mind, but I don't think it's necessarily the best, nor even necessarily the right, approach to achieving AI.
Just because we're sentient, it doesn't mean that how we got sentience is the only possible or the most efficient way to achieve it.
As for the terminator-like fears, it will be as it always is with any scientific advance: there are benefits and risks. #books
@ceptri: A typical Greg Egan short story has more crazy wild awesome ideas per page than most entire novels by other authors. Thank ghod his novels aren't _quite_ that dense; otherwise head-exploding would be a definite risk. #books
@ManchuCandidate: Agreed. If we as humans can't get past all of our various hangups and psychoses, who can realistically expect that we will be able to develop an AI that doesn't have them? Or an AI that won't take complete advantage of them...and us. #books
If I could make a suggestion: It's not always apparent where a con is located from the name... and I'm not really up for going to each hyperlink, to see what city it's in. Maybe you guys could add in parenthesis the state [e.g, "San Diego Comic Con (CA)" ], so I can see at a quick glance on the PDF what I might be able to attend.
I wish "New Comics Day" had more details. Friday isnt "New Movies Day", you guys list the individual movies that are io9-worthy. Do you not have the info on comics releases far enough in advance? Maybe list a couple of the most interesting comics coming out on that day.
@blorp: Man that would be a tough one... who decides what the most interesting comics coming out a particular day are? I think because "new comics day" happens every single week, and it's always a huge batch, it's the only way we can include it honestly. #sciencefiction
@Charlie Jane Anders: OK I understand. Although Wednesday is especially empty. Tuesday is "DVD Release Day" and friday is pretty much "Movie Day", and for some reason which weve wondered about most of the TV we watch is all on Thursday and Friday. Wednesday usually just sits there naked! #sciencefiction
Yes! If you come to PhilCon (Nov. 20-22), be sure to drop by the friendly Threat Quality Press table, where we'll be selling The Translated Man AS WELL AS the new novel by TQP writer Jeff Holland.
And I will presumably be spending hours defending my monster hierarchy. #sciencefiction
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There are times when it’s worth putting aside the endless myopic navel-gazing that occupies so much literature, in order to look out at the universe itself and value it for what it is.
So... he's a fiction writer who doesn't give a shit about people? What kind of dumbass statement is that? That's WHAT LITERATURE IS. It's the absolute pinnacle of stupidity to criticize an art for being itself. It's like saying "christ, I wish peanut butter could get away from this myopic need to taste like peanuts".
What he wants to read and write sounds like speculative, non-fiction books about science and culture. Why doesn't he just do that, then? There's plenty of that in the world, and it's great!
Then he wouldn't have to sound like an idiot curmudgeon and I wouldn't have to type out why he sounds like an idiot curmudgeon. #books
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November 15th, 2009
10am-5pm
Exhibit Hall of the Memorial Coliseum
Admission: $8.00 for ages 8 & up
30+ creators and counting
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Woo! #books
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Whenever a new Egan book comes out, it's like a little piece of my Bizarro universe has slipped through into the normal universe. Maybe that other world's version of me is scouring bookstores for obscure Dan Brown novels and wondering why everyone cares so much about equations and shit... #books
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But why with the hate of life before now? Sure, life in Earth's ecosystems can be competitive and cruel, but it's also infinitely diverse and cooperative, too. I'll never understand why so many people--even really smart people--miss that part and focus on the cruelty.
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I don't think Egan was anthropomorphizing, and neither was I. But he used vivid, violent imagery talking about nature, and didn't leave much room for considering the wonder and beauty that exists along side the danger.
I could be wrong about that, but he goes on to say:
People with no interest in science are very well catered for in science fiction; 99% of SF is written for them. I make no apology for contributing to the 1% that treats science as something of interest in its own right.
The two statements combined tell me he's either fairly cynical (though he probably considers himself a hard realist), or he was in a bad mood when he gave the interview.
I remain fallibilistic as to these theories, of course. I have not met the man, and can't really judge him. But that's the impression I get from his statements.
None of this stopped me from enjoying Diaspora, the only piece of his writing that I've read. It was a great book, and I loved the notion that subtle changes in an otherwise barren planet's biochemistry would be as obvious a sign of alien intelligence as it would be if there were huge stone pyramids on its surface.
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Just as an example, an AI built out of a quantum computer would evolve super-exponentially faster than humans have. #books
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As for the fears concerning the AI, I consider those fears both as foolish and as serious as the fear towards other human beings. Yes, treated wrong an AI can indeed emerge as a sociopath, or otherwise demented, but in right circumstances it can show as much altruism as any of us. The mistake that people are making is seeing the AI as an alien Other that is incomprehensible and potentially malign, when the most likely example of an AI will be modelled after human consciousness, and raised in human-like environment, and can be expected to mirror the humanity both in good and ill.
And since the AI will probably a side-product in the research into improving the human mind artificially, I don't see it as a threat to human control over this planet, either. They'll be more advanced than we are now very quickly after their birth, but so will we. Only the Luddites refusing to upgrade are in any danger of obsolesence. #books
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"Pay attention to what his opinion of brain-mapping is. I very much agree with him that the best way to approach the problem is to study the only current example of sentient life that we know, and extrapolate from there."
I think brain-mapping is a promising line of research in understanding the brain and the human mind, but I don't think it's necessarily the best, nor even necessarily the right, approach to achieving AI.
Just because we're sentient, it doesn't mean that how we got sentience is the only possible or the most efficient way to achieve it.
As for the terminator-like fears, it will be as it always is with any scientific advance: there are benefits and risks. #books
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Love the calendar, as always.
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And I will presumably be spending hours defending my monster hierarchy. #sciencefiction
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It should have been, and would have been if I weren't a lazy bum.
I'm hoping to have book two finished up by the end of November, and polished and ready by January-ish.
(Thanks for reading!) #sciencefiction
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I've also never thought to use this power in my favor.
Thank you very much, Doctor. I think I owe you a beer.
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