Yeah, it looks kinda cool, but I still won't be going. Call me a stupidly hopeless idealist, but I'm kinda hoping this blatantly racist casting will LOSE these people money.
I don't get why people don't like The Village. I thought it was well done and a unique story. It's an absurd premise in many ways, but if you can get past that I'd argue the flaws are minor.
The tone is a little too serious. That scene with all the parents behind the house debating what to do is terribly overwrought and frustrating. But I completely bought in to the story and why they chose to live that way. I thought the use of colors was great, and the portrayal of life in the village was convincing. The twist wasn't really a big shock, but I think the fact that it was withheld helped sell the story.
It's probably my favorite of his after Sixth Sense.
@octalass: Not the same thing at all. Yes, most (not all) of the voice actors were white, but voice actors are cast based on how they sound, not how they look. For film actors, it's the opposite (think of the Harry Potter movies. The kids were cast because they looked the part, even though they were terrible actors, they visually matched the mental image that most people had of the characters). A:TLA was an American cartoon made in America by Americans. Of course the voice actors sound "American." However, "American" does not mean "White." When people watched the cartoon, for the most part they did not see white characters or experience the main characters as white (as they are obviously not). This has nothing to do with how "American" the production was. In fact, if you look elsewhere on the internet, most sites aren't calling for "Asian" actors to be cast in the main roles; they are calling for non-white AMERICAN actors to be cast in the roles that were obviously tailor-made for them. Most of the Asian actors we see in starring roles (Jackie Chan, for example) are from Asia, not America. Non-white Americans are pretty egregiously excluded from mainstream film, and now that the perfect opportunity has been presented, they're being dismissed again. There's simply no way to justify this casting.
And if you try and tell me they might have just been the best actors for the job, I will point you again to the Harry Potter kids.
@KSChris: I'm kind of glad you said this - it's a reminder that this movie could suck. I mean it could be atrociously horrific, and the series will still be incredibly freakin' awesome.
In the end, all M. Night. Shyamalan can do is make a bad movie, and he's well qualified to do that.
Can we retire racist variations on M. Night's name, please? If you wanna make fun of him, there are far more valid and interesting ways to do it than laughing at a name because it's foreign.
@Dracoster: If you look really closely, you can see that there's a tattoo on the kid's forehead that somewhat resembles an arrow, though it appears to have an intricate pattern rather than just being a flat arrow.
"Despite the controversy M. Night Shyamalan's movie has stirred by casting a predominantly white cast to portray characters and stories based on Asian culture" which is ironic since asian animation spoofs american animation
Haha. Have you guys ever actually WATCHED an anime? There's not a single character in any anime ever made who actually looks like a genuine asian person.
"I'm not sure I'd go that far personally, but sure, why not."
Can you name another show current or past that has the audiences actually reading the books mentioned in order to figure out clues to the plot, recording episodes only to go back to comb through them like a Zapruder film for even more clues, creating whole theories based on the historical figures a character is named after and searching through LOST related sites such as the airlines mentioned on the show looking for more insight?
LOST goes beyond television. It's probably one of the biggest and most extensive mysteries in pop culture.
@mekki: "'I'm not sure I'd go that far personally, but sure, why not.'
"Can you name another show current or past that has..." No. Which is why it hasn't yet "rewritten the rules of television fiction." While one might be able to give "Lost" some portion of the credit for re-invigorating the long dramatic arc after seasons of the extremely episodic "Law & Order" and "CSI" variants dominating television drama, you can't do that without also pointing out that "The Sopranos" and hell, even "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" did the same thing a lot earlier.
Being good is one thing. Being new is another thing entirely. And neither of those things is rewriting the rules.
@George Stankow: But it is. Before hand, television fiction was for the most part passive. You watched your show and when the credits ran that was it for the week. Sure, you had fandom in ways of fanart and fanfiction but LOST was the first real show that incorporated other mediums to tell a story. Not just television but print such as "The Bad Twin" (which become a best seller because people were reading it to look for clues) as well as the internet. It showed writers that they weren't limited to what they could tell in an half an hour to an hour on screen. They could flash a logo of some sort and know that when the show was over, people would go online and search for that site. From there the writers could continue the story.
If that isn't rewriting how you can tell a story on television I don't know what is.
@mekki: I am a huge fan of "Lost." Have been ever since I called my then-wife after the wheelchair reveal in Season One and said "I am never missing this show EVER." My love of the show has, in point of fact, outlasted my marriage. And yet, I have never gotten involved in any of that stuff on the Internet or whatever. I have a lot of friends of the show who are fans of the whole thing and obsessively visit those sites and so on. They all, every one of them, say that I'm not missing anything critical. So basically, all these online sites have the same level of involvement in the story as the Star Trek pocket novels did forty years ago. Less so, in fact -- some of those novels are accepted canon in the Star Trek universe.
I was about to say "Wake me when you need to follow multiple media to get the full story," but then I remembered that "The X Files" did that more than a decade ago anyway.
@mekki: Aside from the books angle (since none of the ones mentioned are actually real books, that I know of), that sounds like a great description of Babylon 5. Show ended a decade ago, and we're still not done figuring out all the little details. The Lurker's Guide, a website that compiled detailed information on each episode as it aired, is almost required reading for any new viewer. The only five things that Lost holds over B5 are budget, advertising, FX technology, a near-guarantee that they'll be able to run out the entire series, and that little thing where they regularly kill off characters.
@mekki: First show that had talk about the significance of the inspiration for the show and the episodes and things within the episodes on-line (almost) straight from the producers, and online feedback to them. Teaser info thusly.
Lots of people talking about said stuff and cross-references and such. Recent history/sociology, of course.
Geeky speculation about how it works and What It All Means.
First show to do "reschedule/save our show" campaigns on-line. (internet petitions, back when they worked)
Those were the days. :) I've still got friends from those days.
@Evil Tortie's Mom: To say that X-Files did it is a bit inaccurate. From what I've heard, that show couldn't make up its own mind about whether there were really aliens or if it was all just a giant conspiracy, and tended to flip-flop on the issue from one season to the next.
the best part of recognition like this is when you look back at the beginning of this season and how every critic was saying that Lost had lost its power to draw an audience.
i guess its just human nature to be impatient, but id like to see more shows getting the benefit of the doubt before they get dragged through the mud/outright canceled.
T:SCC, and Dollhouse immediately jump to my mind as perfect examples, since they have both had deathwatches for as long as i can remember.
Making all the characters white is just insulting to our intelligence. Most of the show takes place in a medieval east-Asia-themed world, not in medieval western Europe. It would be bad enough if it took place in a modern, multiracial society, with non-white characters, and they switched that up. But that's not even it! It takes place in Asia! Hey let's remake Yojimbo, keep the samurai, feudal Japan theme, but cast a bunch of white guys! WTF!
Maybe you could make a case for the swamp guys being white, but I doubt they are making the cut.
I guess I just don't get the impetus to remake this. Well, okay, I do get it--more money! But why do people keep "remaking" modern, already existing cartoons and movies? They aren't adapting a book here, it already exists on screen. Why do we need "The Ring" when we have "Ringu"? Do they just think that we whiteys are delicate flowers who can't take seeing non-white actors?
If you're not re-imagining it for a reasonable artistic purpose (think BSG) then don't make it!
06/22/09
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I don't get why people don't like The Village. I thought it was well done and a unique story. It's an absurd premise in many ways, but if you can get past that I'd argue the flaws are minor.
The tone is a little too serious. That scene with all the parents behind the house debating what to do is terribly overwrought and frustrating. But I completely bought in to the story and why they chose to live that way. I thought the use of colors was great, and the portrayal of life in the village was convincing. The twist wasn't really a big shock, but I think the fact that it was withheld helped sell the story.
It's probably my favorite of his after Sixth Sense.
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I don't care if its completely awesome, I'm still not going to see this whitewashed trash.
At least, I won't PAY to see it.
06/21/09
Whitewashed? Weren't most of the voice actors in the cartoon white? They sounded very American to me.
06/22/09
And if you try and tell me they might have just been the best actors for the job, I will point you again to the Harry Potter kids.
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I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the cartoon will still be great even if the movie sucks.
He's not destroying anything.
06/21/09
In the end, all M. Night. Shyamalan can do is make a bad movie, and he's well qualified to do that.
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Anyways, I had a flash back of David Carradine and Kung Fu... And most recently... Dragon Ball, wtf?
Granted, there are limited Asian actors in the US, but seriously?
05/22/09
Haha. Have you guys ever actually WATCHED an anime? There's not a single character in any anime ever made who actually looks like a genuine asian person.
04/05/09
Can you name another show current or past that has the audiences actually reading the books mentioned in order to figure out clues to the plot, recording episodes only to go back to comb through them like a Zapruder film for even more clues, creating whole theories based on the historical figures a character is named after and searching through LOST related sites such as the airlines mentioned on the show looking for more insight?
LOST goes beyond television. It's probably one of the biggest and most extensive mysteries in pop culture.
04/05/09
"Can you name another show current or past that has..." No. Which is why it hasn't yet "rewritten the rules of television fiction." While one might be able to give "Lost" some portion of the credit for re-invigorating the long dramatic arc after seasons of the extremely episodic "Law & Order" and "CSI" variants dominating television drama, you can't do that without also pointing out that "The Sopranos" and hell, even "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" did the same thing a lot earlier.
Being good is one thing. Being new is another thing entirely. And neither of those things is rewriting the rules.
04/05/09
If that isn't rewriting how you can tell a story on television I don't know what is.
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I was about to say "Wake me when you need to follow multiple media to get the full story," but then I remembered that "The X Files" did that more than a decade ago anyway.
04/05/09
Aside from the books angle (since none of the ones mentioned are actually real books, that I know of), that sounds like a great description of Babylon 5. Show ended a decade ago, and we're still not done figuring out all the little details. The Lurker's Guide, a website that compiled detailed information on each episode as it aired, is almost required reading for any new viewer. The only five things that Lost holds over B5 are budget, advertising, FX technology, a near-guarantee that they'll be able to run out the entire series, and that little thing where they regularly kill off characters.
04/05/09
X-Files did it, Quantum Leap and Twin Peaks did it back in the pre-web, USENET group days of 1990.
People just have short memories. It's like every generation thinks they invented sex.
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Lots of people talking about said stuff and cross-references and such. Recent history/sociology, of course.
Geeky speculation about how it works and What It All Means.
First show to do "reschedule/save our show" campaigns on-line. (internet petitions, back when they worked)
Those were the days. :) I've still got friends from those days.
04/06/09
To say that X-Files did it is a bit inaccurate. From what I've heard, that show couldn't make up its own mind about whether there were really aliens or if it was all just a giant conspiracy, and tended to flip-flop on the issue from one season to the next.
04/05/09
because you are no good.
04/05/09
I just saw a Knight Rider-themed GPS the other day, and had to resist laughing like a madman.
04/05/09
i guess its just human nature to be impatient, but id like to see more shows getting the benefit of the doubt before they get dragged through the mud/outright canceled.
T:SCC, and Dollhouse immediately jump to my mind as perfect examples, since they have both had deathwatches for as long as i can remember.
04/05/09
I can't imagine Lost if ABC were constantly butting into the process.
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Maybe you could make a case for the swamp guys being white, but I doubt they are making the cut.
I guess I just don't get the impetus to remake this. Well, okay, I do get it--more money! But why do people keep "remaking" modern, already existing cartoons and movies? They aren't adapting a book here, it already exists on screen. Why do we need "The Ring" when we have "Ringu"? Do they just think that we whiteys are delicate flowers who can't take seeing non-white actors?
If you're not re-imagining it for a reasonable artistic purpose (think BSG) then don't make it!
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(srsly, Dashiell Hammett, anyone?)