"I'm the President of the United States. Welcome ta Earf."
Goldblum will be the top science advisor/Secretary of Alien Tech Stuff; Pullman as the former prez will be another adviser, or maybe head of the United Nations after his awesome work on blowing up the aliens. He'd be the first UN prez everyone respected or at least stfu and listened to. #independenceday
King? Interesting choice of words given how mindbogglingly, ass-lancingly Americocentric the film is.
July 4th really is just another day. It has no meaning for anybody else. Nor do I want most of the rest of the world blown up so Americans can swoop in and save the day, thereby making July 4th some kind of weird, Manifest Destiny global celebration. I do not want your figurehead leader as my king, thankyouverymuch.
Between this and his comments about religion, Emmerich should really go crawl back under a rock or something. #independenceday
@Cory Gross: Gee.... where is this movie made again? Could it be AMERICA?! How about every country out there stop making movies that are catered to their own people and just make things that the whole world can relate to? That sound good?
The thing is... most American entertainment is going to be centered on America and how awesome we are. Maybe your country can make it's own movie about how awesome they are so that you can enjoy something too. #independenceday
@Cory Gross: If Americans don't swoop in and save your ass, nobody else will. I have yet to see one...single...country...having any kind of celebration once America has helped re-build any country devastated by war, hurricane, earthquake, etc. #independenceday
@closeencounter: "If Americans don't swoop in and save your ass, nobody else will."
America probably could do a lot of good in the world if it wasn't such a net negative influence. Thanks again for training Bin Laden and leaving everybody else's soldiers to die trying to find him while you guys ran off to Iraq to whip another one of the lackeys you put in power to begin with.
And that's kind of what made ID4 so disturbing. You just know that what's happening there is that the Americans have swept into the global power gap caused by the alien invasion. Independence Day doesn't become a spontaneous global celebration. It's imposed by fiat from the only intact government, who are incidentally the only people who know how to use all this super-advanced alien technology.
But yeah, it is just a movie and I'm reading too much into it. I'm sure that Emmerich occupies the same fictionalized head space that actually believes that America wouldn't ever hurt anybody or do anything bad. #independenceday
It could be a buddy movie with a character based on Obama and another based on Al Gore as they team up to clean up the aftermath of all those giant spaceships crashing to earth. I can see the trailer now: "One's a charismatic middle aged black man and America's first black president! The other is the rather wooden former Vice President and Nobel Laureate who's made saving the Earth his personal crusade! Can these two set aside there differences long enough to...clean up...the toxic waste left behind...after a bunch of UFOs crashed into...Really that's your movie?" #independenceday
Oh, Great Kobol's Ghost--he's going to have Will Smith be the wise-cracking president in the sequel.
And, uh--wasn't Independence Day made during the Clinton administration? And if, after the first one, if they'd spent 2 years monkeying around with a sequel script and then 2 years making the movie, and released it 4 years after the 1st one...well, then it would have come out in July of 2000. Still during the Clinton administration. His reasoning doesn't make sense.
Besides, the ID president was nothing like incumbent Bill Clinton. If he wanted the movie president to resonate with the real-life President, well, he never would have made Independence Day in the first place. I call shenanigans. It's more about money than "waiting for the right president." #independenceday
@cletar: I don't disagree with your idea that money was the driver, but I think there's more to the story. Independence Day wasn't a slam-dunk for a sequel. Everything was nicely wrapped up and put to bed by the end of the movie, so I think it's reasonable to assume that any thoughts of a sequel would have come considerably afterward, and definitely after the CGI genre got a bit less crowded. That would have put sequel plans squarely in Bush territory, and I'm certain they wouldn't consider making a movie like that any time soon after 9-11. #independenceday
Ive got it! The aliens come back and infiltrate earth through robots that look like us. Then in the ensuing destruction a ship escapes to in a desperate search to find another habitable planet. Meanwhile, the First Lady comes back (lets call her a magic angel) and has to be president because everyone else is dead.
You can cast Edward James Olmos as an older Hiller (Smith in the first one) and James Callis as Levinson (Goldblum).
Or set it in the future where one of the random characters from the first one (say Major Mitchell, played by Adam Baldwin) becomes a space cowboy. I like that Fillion guy from Castle; they could cast him too. #independenceday
I loved ID4 (as I still prefer to call it), but what would happen in the sequel? Will Smith and Jeff Goldblum team up again to fight the same aliens who are again threatening Earth? I mean, the first one's story was very nice and together, with all the characters (and in the end, the whole world) uniting in meaningful ways to defeat these aliens.
I'm not saying it couldn't be good, I'm just not sure what it would be about. Other than explosions, of course... #independenceday
@Platypus Man: One plot I wouldn't be surprised to see would be all the nations that destroyed the alien ships are working individually to take them apart and make their own ships out of them, adapt the technology etc, and it would become more of a human vs human plot then human vs invading aliens.
@se7a7n7: That I could see...I'd even get behind it. Emmerich, however, probably needs to re-learn some American civics. A president is not a king. #independenceday
@Andy Neil: How much you wanna bet that when he's in the editing room by himself, Roland's hand does that unintentional salute-snapping like Dr. Strangelove's? #independenceday
@naugahydeinplainsight:
Exactly. Fighter pilot saved the world, launches brilliant political career, there you go. Probably "waiting for the right President" meant "this President triggered a really neat idea." #independenceday
This reminds me of a study I heard on NPR about studying in Community College. They said, the kids who studied more did better, while the kids who had to work while going to school did worse. Weird. I mean, if you focus solely on school, you did better than if you had a job?
How much did this study cost, about a million dollars? #neuroscience
Why do they think they have to move on to studying sports teams? I know I've read at least 2 reports of the same thing happening to sports fans when their teams lose, from different countries.
So, DUH... they're repeating old studies with bad methodology. I guess this is what passes for intellectual at Duke? #neuroscience
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Goldblum will be the top science advisor/Secretary of Alien Tech Stuff; Pullman as the former prez will be another adviser, or maybe head of the United Nations after his awesome work on blowing up the aliens. He'd be the first UN prez everyone respected or at least stfu and listened to. #independenceday
11/06/09
July 4th really is just another day. It has no meaning for anybody else. Nor do I want most of the rest of the world blown up so Americans can swoop in and save the day, thereby making July 4th some kind of weird, Manifest Destiny global celebration. I do not want your figurehead leader as my king, thankyouverymuch.
Between this and his comments about religion, Emmerich should really go crawl back under a rock or something. #independenceday
11/06/09
The thing is... most American entertainment is going to be centered on America and how awesome we are. Maybe your country can make it's own movie about how awesome they are so that you can enjoy something too. #independenceday
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America probably could do a lot of good in the world if it wasn't such a net negative influence. Thanks again for training Bin Laden and leaving everybody else's soldiers to die trying to find him while you guys ran off to Iraq to whip another one of the lackeys you put in power to begin with.
And that's kind of what made ID4 so disturbing. You just know that what's happening there is that the Americans have swept into the global power gap caused by the alien invasion. Independence Day doesn't become a spontaneous global celebration. It's imposed by fiat from the only intact government, who are incidentally the only people who know how to use all this super-advanced alien technology.
But yeah, it is just a movie and I'm reading too much into it. I'm sure that Emmerich occupies the same fictionalized head space that actually believes that America wouldn't ever hurt anybody or do anything bad. #independenceday
11/06/09
Would they just kill him off? Did he retire and start his own private foundation? #independenceday
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And, uh--wasn't Independence Day made during the Clinton administration? And if, after the first one, if they'd spent 2 years monkeying around with a sequel script and then 2 years making the movie, and released it 4 years after the 1st one...well, then it would have come out in July of 2000. Still during the Clinton administration. His reasoning doesn't make sense.
Besides, the ID president was nothing like incumbent Bill Clinton. If he wanted the movie president to resonate with the real-life President, well, he never would have made Independence Day in the first place. I call shenanigans. It's more about money than "waiting for the right president." #independenceday
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You can cast Edward James Olmos as an older Hiller (Smith in the first one) and James Callis as Levinson (Goldblum).
Or set it in the future where one of the random characters from the first one (say Major Mitchell, played by Adam Baldwin) becomes a space cowboy. I like that Fillion guy from Castle; they could cast him too. #independenceday
11/06/09
I'm not saying it couldn't be good, I'm just not sure what it would be about. Other than explosions, of course... #independenceday
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Speculation: In the this 15 year after the original sequel, Will Smith's character is now the President. #independenceday
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Oh Hell No. #independenceday
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Exactly. Fighter pilot saved the world, launches brilliant political career, there you go. Probably "waiting for the right President" meant "this President triggered a really neat idea." #independenceday
10/21/09
How much did this study cost, about a million dollars? #neuroscience
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So, DUH... they're repeating old studies with bad methodology. I guess this is what passes for intellectual at Duke? #neuroscience
10/22/09
I'm going to go with: for the money.
-Kle. #neuroscience