"I'm the President of the United States. Welcome ta Earf."
Goldblum will be the top science advisor/Secretary of Alien Tech Stuff; Pullman as the former prez will be another adviser, or maybe head of the United Nations after his awesome work on blowing up the aliens. He'd be the first UN prez everyone respected or at least stfu and listened to. #independenceday
King? Interesting choice of words given how mindbogglingly, ass-lancingly Americocentric the film is.
July 4th really is just another day. It has no meaning for anybody else. Nor do I want most of the rest of the world blown up so Americans can swoop in and save the day, thereby making July 4th some kind of weird, Manifest Destiny global celebration. I do not want your figurehead leader as my king, thankyouverymuch.
Between this and his comments about religion, Emmerich should really go crawl back under a rock or something. #independenceday
@Cory Gross: Gee.... where is this movie made again? Could it be AMERICA?! How about every country out there stop making movies that are catered to their own people and just make things that the whole world can relate to? That sound good?
The thing is... most American entertainment is going to be centered on America and how awesome we are. Maybe your country can make it's own movie about how awesome they are so that you can enjoy something too. #independenceday
@Cory Gross: If Americans don't swoop in and save your ass, nobody else will. I have yet to see one...single...country...having any kind of celebration once America has helped re-build any country devastated by war, hurricane, earthquake, etc. #independenceday
@closeencounter: "If Americans don't swoop in and save your ass, nobody else will."
America probably could do a lot of good in the world if it wasn't such a net negative influence. Thanks again for training Bin Laden and leaving everybody else's soldiers to die trying to find him while you guys ran off to Iraq to whip another one of the lackeys you put in power to begin with.
And that's kind of what made ID4 so disturbing. You just know that what's happening there is that the Americans have swept into the global power gap caused by the alien invasion. Independence Day doesn't become a spontaneous global celebration. It's imposed by fiat from the only intact government, who are incidentally the only people who know how to use all this super-advanced alien technology.
But yeah, it is just a movie and I'm reading too much into it. I'm sure that Emmerich occupies the same fictionalized head space that actually believes that America wouldn't ever hurt anybody or do anything bad. #independenceday
ID4 is one of very few films where I've witnessed an entire cinema audience *applaud* during a showing. It's a guilty pleasure of a movie if ever there was one.
Presumably the Earth is in moderately bad shape, with most of the major cities destroyed.
Exactly what condition is Earth in, 15 years later?
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@HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.: Yes, I really enjoyed it too.
The funny thing about Emmerich's comments is that a sequel would be so far into alternative history territory that real world events are pretty much irrelevant. ID4/2 would be 15 years after the equivalent of a major nuclear war. Given onscreen dialogue about how fast the ships are killing cities, a good fraction of the ~200 population centers over 2 million are smoldering craters and the world's changed beyond recognition. Even the first strike we see probably took out the Top 20 and nearly half a billion people. It's a good dose of Fridge Logic with a side order of Inferred Holocaust.
@freezejeans: of course! pf! and the ailiens will have futuristic 1994 CGI graphics on awesome 'alien' flatscreen TVs!
by the way, anyone else notice that Jeff Goldblum actually is a scientist? think about it: A) he always plays himself. B) he always plays a scientist. therefore, Jeff Goldblum is a scientist. #independenceday
@Bootknife-Jackson: which? cuz i mean hes a cop on law and order he was a con-man on king of the hill he was a math nerd in jurasshashadit park. i mean which alt are we talking about? #independenceday
@Sharpstyx: he was a scientist in JP. a chaotition. which is a theoretical science. look. jeff goldblum is a scientist. it's just a fact. and on law n' order, i'm pretty sure he was a scientist pretending to be a cop... and king of the hill dosn't count. #independenceday
@Bootknife-Jackson: while i support your law and order theory that he was masquerading as a cop and i heartily agree that king of the hill doesn't count for ANYTHING. What about the big chill? and he was a gambler in silverado, and i just had to question why i am pursuing this discussion about jeff goldblum anyway, i don't really care one way or the other. but it was a good way to kill 4 mins on a booooooring night at work
cheers #independenceday
@Sharpstyx: likewise! and for the record, if we examine the facts, i think they will show that gambling involves math and equations to cheat properly, there, scientist!
...never saw the big chill, does he play a scientist, or himself? HA! trick question hot shot! #independenceday
@Bootknife-Jackson: OK so you need to netflix it, decent flick. And he plays a journalist, writer for rolling stone or people ro one of the big ones. #independenceday
How exactly was Whitmore different from Clinton anyways?
I know Clinton was not a fighter pilot, but both the fictional and real presidents had a wife and one daughter, were ruggedly handsome and were good leaders.
It's kinda stupid to compare the way they acted when they face totally different situations.
I mean, most of the aliens Clinton had to deal with were slave labour smuggled into the country. #independenceday
@Brian Fowler: George W. was totally a fighter pilot. i saw them pictures from the AP of him on the carrier! the news does not lie.... #independenceday
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It could be a buddy movie with a character based on Obama and another based on Al Gore as they team up to clean up the aftermath of all those giant spaceships crashing to earth. I can see the trailer now: "One's a charismatic middle aged black man and America's first black president! The other is the rather wooden former Vice President and Nobel Laureate who's made saving the Earth his personal crusade! Can these two set aside there differences long enough to...clean up...the toxic waste left behind...after a bunch of UFOs crashed into...Really that's your movie?" #independenceday
I call BS. ID4 was in the middle of Clinton's terms, and IIRC there were people drawing parallels to it being Anti Clinton since Pullman was so different from our 41st president.
So if he did want to bash Bush on the screen and not just in print, by that logic he should have made ID42 at some point. The president could have been opposite of Bush and presumably people would eat that up.
I think he just needs some $$$ and is going back to his signature movie after his (relative) disaster porn failures.
And remember Bush w/ the bullhorn after 9/11? That was a kingly moment, easily the high point of his terms in my book. Give a decent actor that sort of scene and it would rock in a summer movie. #independenceday
Oh, Great Kobol's Ghost--he's going to have Will Smith be the wise-cracking president in the sequel.
And, uh--wasn't Independence Day made during the Clinton administration? And if, after the first one, if they'd spent 2 years monkeying around with a sequel script and then 2 years making the movie, and released it 4 years after the 1st one...well, then it would have come out in July of 2000. Still during the Clinton administration. His reasoning doesn't make sense.
Besides, the ID president was nothing like incumbent Bill Clinton. If he wanted the movie president to resonate with the real-life President, well, he never would have made Independence Day in the first place. I call shenanigans. It's more about money than "waiting for the right president." #independenceday
@cletar: I don't disagree with your idea that money was the driver, but I think there's more to the story. Independence Day wasn't a slam-dunk for a sequel. Everything was nicely wrapped up and put to bed by the end of the movie, so I think it's reasonable to assume that any thoughts of a sequel would have come considerably afterward, and definitely after the CGI genre got a bit less crowded. That would have put sequel plans squarely in Bush territory, and I'm certain they wouldn't consider making a movie like that any time soon after 9-11. #independenceday
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Goldblum will be the top science advisor/Secretary of Alien Tech Stuff; Pullman as the former prez will be another adviser, or maybe head of the United Nations after his awesome work on blowing up the aliens. He'd be the first UN prez everyone respected or at least stfu and listened to. #independenceday
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July 4th really is just another day. It has no meaning for anybody else. Nor do I want most of the rest of the world blown up so Americans can swoop in and save the day, thereby making July 4th some kind of weird, Manifest Destiny global celebration. I do not want your figurehead leader as my king, thankyouverymuch.
Between this and his comments about religion, Emmerich should really go crawl back under a rock or something. #independenceday
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The thing is... most American entertainment is going to be centered on America and how awesome we are. Maybe your country can make it's own movie about how awesome they are so that you can enjoy something too. #independenceday
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America probably could do a lot of good in the world if it wasn't such a net negative influence. Thanks again for training Bin Laden and leaving everybody else's soldiers to die trying to find him while you guys ran off to Iraq to whip another one of the lackeys you put in power to begin with.
And that's kind of what made ID4 so disturbing. You just know that what's happening there is that the Americans have swept into the global power gap caused by the alien invasion. Independence Day doesn't become a spontaneous global celebration. It's imposed by fiat from the only intact government, who are incidentally the only people who know how to use all this super-advanced alien technology.
But yeah, it is just a movie and I'm reading too much into it. I'm sure that Emmerich occupies the same fictionalized head space that actually believes that America wouldn't ever hurt anybody or do anything bad. #independenceday
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Obama: We will outstretch the hand if you unclench your fist.
Aliens: ...
Moments later.
*World gets obliterated by Alien orbital death rays* #independenceday
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Presumably the Earth is in moderately bad shape, with most of the major cities destroyed.
Exactly what condition is Earth in, 15 years later?
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In the case of ID4, nope, no mention of Canadian cities being attacked, so we made it through just fine thank you. #independenceday
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Right up until about 5 minutes after I left the theater and said, "Waitasec." #independenceday
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The funny thing about Emmerich's comments is that a sequel would be so far into alternative history territory that real world events are pretty much irrelevant. ID4/2 would be 15 years after the equivalent of a major nuclear war. Given onscreen dialogue about how fast the ships are killing cities, a good fraction of the ~200 population centers over 2 million are smoldering craters and the world's changed beyond recognition. Even the first strike we see probably took out the Top 20 and nearly half a billion people. It's a good dose of Fridge Logic with a side order of Inferred Holocaust.
Fortunately, Canada escaped unscathed! #independenceday
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by the way, anyone else notice that Jeff Goldblum actually is a scientist? think about it: A) he always plays himself. B) he always plays a scientist. therefore, Jeff Goldblum is a scientist. #independenceday
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cheers #independenceday
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...never saw the big chill, does he play a scientist, or himself? HA! trick question hot shot! #independenceday
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I know Clinton was not a fighter pilot, but both the fictional and real presidents had a wife and one daughter, were ruggedly handsome and were good leaders.
It's kinda stupid to compare the way they acted when they face totally different situations.
I mean, most of the aliens Clinton had to deal with were slave labour smuggled into the country. #independenceday
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Would they just kill him off? Did he retire and start his own private foundation? #independenceday
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I think you've spent too much time in pretend world. #independenceday
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So if he did want to bash Bush on the screen and not just in print, by that logic he should have made ID42 at some point. The president could have been opposite of Bush and presumably people would eat that up.
I think he just needs some $$$ and is going back to his signature movie after his (relative) disaster porn failures.
And remember Bush w/ the bullhorn after 9/11? That was a kingly moment, easily the high point of his terms in my book. Give a decent actor that sort of scene and it would rock in a summer movie. #independenceday
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And, uh--wasn't Independence Day made during the Clinton administration? And if, after the first one, if they'd spent 2 years monkeying around with a sequel script and then 2 years making the movie, and released it 4 years after the 1st one...well, then it would have come out in July of 2000. Still during the Clinton administration. His reasoning doesn't make sense.
Besides, the ID president was nothing like incumbent Bill Clinton. If he wanted the movie president to resonate with the real-life President, well, he never would have made Independence Day in the first place. I call shenanigans. It's more about money than "waiting for the right president." #independenceday
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