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    Image of RenRen RenRen
    07:18 AM

    In reply to Tons Of Revealing Pics Of The Tenth And Eleventh Doctors. Plus Meet Another William Adama!
    I call for Jeremy Piven to play Cupid in Supernatural!!!
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    Image of CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard) CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard)
    06:29 AM

    In reply to Tons Of Revealing Pics Of The Tenth And Eleventh Doctors. Plus Meet Another William Adama!
    My god......This Doctor Who xmas special better pull somthing ALMIGHTY from out of its arse!! Every season with Tennant has been awesome, Torchwoods been brilliant, the Children of Earth mini series was inspired and the last 2 stand alone Who episodes were terrific.

    Tennant is and always will be the best Doctor that this long running series has ever had. Please dont let him go out on an anti-climax!!!!

    I want a 'mini Michael Bay' Doctor Who episode!!!!! Just masse's of explosions and fire.....but with a script!
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    Edited by CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard) at 12/07/09 6:30 AM CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard) was starred CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard) was unstarred
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    07:14 AM

    @CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard): I can only hope that you totally forgot that Planet of the Dead existed, and are referring to The Next Doctor and The Waters of Mars as the last two stand alone episodes. Planet of the Dead was many things, but terrific it was not.
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    Image of CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard) CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard)
    07:18 AM

    @No cool name here... Move along: I actually didnt mind 'Planet of the Dead' So I stand by my original statement. If there was one fault it would be that bloody flying bus!!
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    Image of Magicant Magicant
    07:31 AM

    @CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard): I'm with you on that. The flying bus spoiled it a bit, but other than that, I was very entertained. But then again, I can probably only point to three episodes of the new series that I DIDN'T enjoy so I'm probably a horrid critic.
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    Image of CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard) CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard)
    07:42 AM

    @Magicant: It would have made more sense to fly out in one of the Tritovores broken (but fixed later) type of escape pods!! We could have had a whole A-Team in the shed scene, building something from nothing! And then a serious escape/chase scene! But all in all, I liked it.

    I also love how RTD has dropped hints throughout all the old Tennants series about the coming storm. 'Bad Wolf', The Doctor Donna', 'He will knock 4 times' and the Doctors ego getting the better of him in 'Waters of Mars' leading to his inevitable end. Oh RTD, how we will miss you.
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    Image of GreyHammer GreyHammer
    06:17 AM

    In reply to Tons Of Revealing Pics Of The Tenth And Eleventh Doctors. Plus Meet Another William Adama!
    changing chuck to a super spy cheapens the premise, i hope they keep the fun way the show works. if the fun zaney stuff goes then it wont be worth watching
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    Image of Makidian Makidian
    06:10 AM

    In reply to Tons Of Revealing Pics Of The Tenth And Eleventh Doctors. Plus Meet Another William Adama!
    They really should have aired the next two episodes of FlashForward if the reveals are that big, holding them off until March is probably a bad idea.
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    Image of GreyHammer GreyHammer
    06:16 AM

    @Makidian: lol the big reveal is probably that the show blows.
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    07:16 AM

    @GreyHammer: But that's not really much of a reveal, is it?
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    Image of GreyHammer GreyHammer
    07:19 AM

    @No cool name here... Move along: for their writers it is
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    Image of enderwiggin13 enderwiggin13
    07:29 AM

    @GreyHammer: I thought that was already revealed.

    I gave it a second chance and still can't remember anyone's names - there's alcoholic FBI guy, alcoholic FBI guy's wife, retarded kid, retarded kid's dad who bangs alcoholic FBI guy's wife in the future, Harold of Harold & Kumar, Merriadoc Brandybuck, etc. so I'm done now. Maybe I'll read the book when I get a chance.
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    Image of GreyHammer GreyHammer
    07:36 AM

    @enderwiggin13: i have given the show more than enough tries. i have seen every episode so far, waiting for the interesting premise to pay off.... and it hasn't. characters are one demensional and even the physicists are stupid. the plot holes are also so large that im suprised the film stock its filmed on stays together.
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    Image of Makidian Makidian
    07:40 AM

    @GreyHammer: I will agree that the physicists are stupid but I still kinda like the show. It certainly isn't the worst thing I have seen on TV this year and I know at least three of the characters names. It seems to me that if there is a big reveal in the next two episodes then they should have shown at least one of them before the break. It was interesting to know that Benford's gonna kill his partner and I still think his wife is gonna slink into bed with Simcoe and cause him to start drinking again. Some people just can't be pleased not that big of a deal really.
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    Image of GreyHammer GreyHammer
    07:53 AM

    @Makidian: i feel the opposite. this show has been bad and compound that with the disapointment. i expected the show to be good based off teh interesting premise. it has not delivered, making it worse than something i had zero hope for. the 'twist' that benford was going to kill harold wasn't hard hitting or gasp worthy, i rolled my eyes. there is also the fact of the giant goatsee sized plot holes. one of which is the fact that harold's girlfriend didnt feel emotion in her flash forward when others did. does emotion only happen when its convient for plot? cause there is a huge difference in emotion between a wedding and a funeral. and the fact that a white rose on the coffin of a random service made her realise was absolutely cringe worthy retarded. and thats just ONE small instance in the miriad of instances where the show just isnt writen well at all.
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    Image of phoghat phoghat
    03:02 AM

    In reply to Was This The Decade Of The Reboot?
    "Does Fringe count as new, or just an updated X-Files?"
    Speaking as a dyed-in-the-wool X-Files fan, I don't think so.There are a few similarities. An ongoing mythos does not a copy make.
    Personally, I'm strting to like "Fringe" a bit more. Towards the end of "X-Files" it got too formulized.
    Popularity is defined by the times we live in.
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    Image of CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard) CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard)
    02:42 AM

    In reply to Was This The Decade Of The Reboot?
    I think theres been more emphasis on reboots over the last few years. But theres also been some very cool original stuff come through aswell.

    With the current films in production (or ready to start in the near future). Things like Hellraiser, Robocop, Predators, Short Circuit, Flight of the Navigator and The Never Ending Story. It seems to me that we will look back again in a few years and ask the same question!

    And TV's not safe either. The Prisoner, Day of the Triphids and the long awated V.
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    Edited by CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard) at 12/07/09 2:43 AM CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard) was starred CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard) was unstarred
    Image of Asbestos_Underwear Asbestos_Underwear
    12/06/09

    In reply to Was This The Decade Of The Reboot?
    If anything, it was the decade of "we can't put a decent ending to our show". Most shows turned sour or got canceled before having the chance to wrap things up.
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    Image of Cory Gross Cory Gross
    12/06/09

    In reply to Was This The Decade Of The Reboot?
    I thought the 1930's were the decade of the remake, once they switched over to those newfangled talkies? And the decade of sequels, for that matter? Hell, let's throw adaptations in there too!
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    Image of im.thatoneguy2 im.thatoneguy2
    12/06/09

    @Cory Gross: To reiterate your point:

    - Gone with the Wind: Book.
    - Godfather: Book.
    - Wizard of Oz: Book.
    - Raging Bull: Book.
    - Vertigo: Book.
    - To Kill a Mocking Bird: Book.
    - 2001 A Space Odyssey: Book.

    There is a very simple reason why we see so many adaptations of books and other media: they actually get sold. If you write a screenplay and you can't find someone willing to spend 100 million to make it happen then nobody will ever see or hear about it. Look at how many feature films are made every year. Now look at how many novels are published every year. If you're going to pour your heart and soul into a story which is more likely to get an audience? The book! Writing an original screenplay is a harrowing and extremely gutsy thing to do since it's at best probably just going to be purchased and filed away never to be seen again.

    A book or comic book or play is a low investment way to experiment and try a lot of ideas to see what turns out well and resonates with people.

    Which brings me to my next point. If people have a problem with films being remade then they should see the state of live theatrical plays. All across the nation theatrical directors are rewriting and adapting and presenting their own remakes of plays.

    Directors aren't necessarily writers. They're story tellers. And it's natural that they want to retell the stories that they themselves have fallen in love with. From a director's point of view there is little difference between being handed an original screenplay and a remake. They are presented a story and they create a film. From a directorial perspective all films are remakes. You're remaking the film you fell in love with when reading the screenplay.
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    Image of Jonny_eh Jonny_eh
    12/06/09

    @im.thatoneguy2: Don't forget the classic The Ten Commandments. Remake! (By the same director, no less)
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    Image of phoghat phoghat
    03:11 AM

    @im.thatoneguy2:
    Good point. As I was taking the subway the other day (NY), I saw a poster for "Hair" which is playing on Broadway, was first launched in 1967, now 43 years later it's making money again. Is it because aging Baby-Boomer ex-hippies are re-living their youth or a bunch of middle America tourists wanting to be titilated by a few moments of on stage nudity? Somehow I feel it's the former
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    Image of Mary Ratliff Mary Ratliff
    12/06/09

    In reply to Was This The Decade Of The Reboot?
    "In the end, it may simply be the result of conservatism on everyone's parts: Audiences don't want to spend time or money on something they don't know will entertain them, and studios/creators don't want to spend time or money on something that they don't know will have an audience waiting for it."

    That's really it in a nutshell. The one thing they're constantly reminding us of at school is that it's all well and good for filmmakers to think of themselves as artists, and that creates better work. But in the end, it's a business above all else, and we have to be aware of that and play to that if we expect to be successful (in this case meaning have anybody see our work) or financially stable.

    It's a shame, but in the end the people who are putting their money into the projects are thinking "what is going to give me a good return on my investment?" That's what drives Hollywood.
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    12/06/09

    In reply to Was This The Decade Of The Reboot?
    This was the decade that sucked beyond words. The reboots were an attempt to recapture the feeling of a time that didn't suck beyond words.
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    Image of im.thatoneguy2 im.thatoneguy2
    12/06/09

    @bookwench: Have you actually sat down and watched a movie from the 60s, 70s or 80s lately?

    They're certainly different but with RARE exception I would say they produced just as much drivel as is produce today.

    It's unfair to take 90 years of movie making and compare it to 9. Although I would say that the last 19 years of film making have produced more great films than the previous 70.
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    Image of Jonny_eh Jonny_eh
    12/06/09

    @im.thatoneguy2: I was with ya until the last sentence. Come on, how can you dismiss the previous 70 years if you didn't live through them? Movies need to be judged in their own time, or else the latest ones will always be judged 'better'.
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    12/06/09

    @im.thatoneguy2: I'm not talking about the movies, actually, but the decade itself. This decade - in real life - sucked. Let's face it, from start to finish, it was bad news.

    So, people are sitting there going "Things were so much *better* when I was a kid!" and movie makers are going "let's make stuff from when we were kids, only let's make them with modern special effects."

    And there you have your reboots. Some of them were pretty cool, some of them were drivel, but the reason behind them was that the decade sucked.
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    12:01 AM

    @Jonny_eh: From a critical and academic standpoint I agree with you. As an audience member I completely disagree. Films aren't created to be analyzed and dissected although I've done my fair share of that--writing hundreds of papers etc-- they're meant to be watched. A film which doesn't connect with an audience (perhaps because it's dated) is a film which has failed.

    Then you have the other aspect which I think is the majority of remakes. The original actually wasn't very good. I don't care what context you put Santa Clause vs the Martians-- it's worse than just about any modern blockbuster.
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    07:17 AM

    @im.thatoneguy2: Yes, movies are designed to be watched, not dissected. But they're designed to be watched by then current audiences. A movie didn't "fail" if in 50 years time people don't like it anymore. If a movie does survive that length of time, it's truly something special, and is a classic. What movies that you hold in high esteem now will be equally liked by future audiences in 50 years?
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    Image of cylon_conspiracy cylon_conspiracy
    12/06/09

    In reply to Was This The Decade Of The Reboot?
    People like to see old things presented in new ways. They have the comfort of the familiar but the excitement of something they haven't seen before, all at the same time.

    It's been going on for a long time too. Just think of all the different takes on Shakespeare plays. Yes, they (usually) keep the same script... but it's old characters presented in new ways and in new environments.

    As far as genre-specific remakes/roboots/reimaginings... I'm not one who says "NO MORE YARMS!" I've been really into the new takes on Batman, 007, BSG, Trek, and V... I've been pleased with all of them.

    It's only a problem when it's obviously a lazy cash grab, deliberately trying to profit off of people's fond memories without showing the proper respect to those memories.

    That's usually the complaint people have against "YARMS", that they weren't paying proper reverence to the past, not that they shouldn't have done them in the first place.

    I think the reason it appears there are so many YARMS these days is because the formula is working... it's making money. That's all there is to it. Once people stop going to see them, then we will see "Hollywood coming up with a unique idea for once".

    Also, I think another factor is that there is just WAY TOO MUCH variety these days. There are movies, tv shows, straight to DVD shows, web series, video games that make more money than blockbuster films, etc... the "means of production" have fallen into everyone's hands. An average nerd can make a Star Wars fan film with special effects that surpass the original films... just not the story or acting.

    With so many entertainment choices, and all of them having that "polished" look that previously was only attainable by top talent with mega bucks behind them, you get deceived into thinking you're about to see something really entertaining and of top quality, and could be rudely awakened.

    So in the face of so many options, and quality that isn't as easy to judge by the cover, people are going with what they know.
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    Image of im.thatoneguy2 im.thatoneguy2
    12/06/09

    @cylon_conspiracy: There's also more to be remade. Movies have always drawn heavily from adapting books. But now film has reached a point where it's a medium in of itself to draw from. In the 60s there wasn't the same legacy to pull inspiration from as today.

    Personally I view a film make 40 years ago as something completely different from a modern film. Film 40-50 years ago in my mind is really just a filmed play.

    I think 50 years film making will have evolved to a degree that it'll be almost a new art form once again in of itself.
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    Image of shoroko shoroko
    12/06/09

    In reply to Was This The Decade Of The Reboot?
    This doesn't really apply for some reboots, but it does seem like in terms of sci-fi, there may be an inclination to bring stories we've already told in line with what turned out to be our technological and scientific reality. The last three decades in particular have been a technological boon in a way that's made a lot of classic sci-fi look... well, obviously dated, but dated in particular ways. Star Trek TOS is filled with 'future technology' that now seems anachronsitic. What, we're going to be on space ships going at light speed and still be storing data on bulky tapes? I mean, they almost directly played off that in the BSG reboot - sure, they're in space ships, and the phones have cords!

    Of course, yeah, we can also do all sorts of CGI stuff and generally depict stories that we couldn't in the past, but I think they're just might also be something enticing about the idea of reconciling a jarringly off-note vision of the future with what's come to pass as our technological reality.

    But maybe that means we'll have to do it again in thirty years. Er.
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    Image of Chip Overclock Chip Overclock
    12/06/09

    @shoroko: I think this says how much we suck at predicting the future. OTOH, that's not really the goal of most SF.

    I find that TOS holds up pretty well today, even though I saw all the episodes when they first ran in the 60s. Sure, it seems like retropunk now, but the social issues it raises are for the most part still as relevant as they were in the 1960s.

    And even Stanley Kubrick and Arthur C. Clarke didn't envision pocket sized phones with access to a global (interplanetary) information network. Today, they would have Floyd voice-dialing his daughter on Earth from the space station using a tiny mobile phone in his pocket and an earpiece. Or maybe just tweeting her. I suspect that will look laughable a few decades from now.
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    Image of The Curse of Millhaven The Curse of Millhaven
    12/06/09

    In reply to Was This The Decade Of The Reboot?
    Isn't a reboot just a remake? Why the different terminology?
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    12/06/09

    @The Curse of Millhaven: Remakes are generally a simple update (e.g. Pelham 123). Reboots take a franchise and cleans the slate to start again.

    Recently, a reboot means a serious attempt to revitalize (cash in on) a tired series. Usually by hiring a "serious" director, turning the brightness down, and telling the leads to brood more.
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    12/06/09

    @odinbearded: I was really just saying that I think that reboot is just a trendy term for remake, but the point is taken that reboot should only be applied to a franchise or series.
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    12/06/09

    In reply to Was This The Decade Of The Reboot?
    I like the idea of reboots and remakes because I end up watching the original anyway. Plus, the concepts of remakes isn't really new. How many movies have been made into musicals? How many books or plays have been made into movies? To me, it's the same principle.

    What offends me, however, is when remakes are done but adds nothing to the canon or worse, screws it up.
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    Image of Bill-Lee Bill-Lee
    12/06/09

    In reply to Was This The Decade Of The Reboot?
    There is no such thing as an "original idea". The human race has been around for 40'000 years and we've been retelling the same stories to each other under different names for all that time. Even supposedly new stories are simply re-workings of a handful of basic ideas. When "Star Wars" was new it was just a re-working of ancient mythic archetypes in the guise of space opera. What is Star Trek but a re-working of a thousand tales of sailors encountering weird and exotic cultures on uncharted islands draped in the trappings of the space age? The best we can ever hope for is new ways to retell the same old myths.

    The success of certain reboots is perhaps due to the fact that certain stories such as Star Trek, Dr. Who, Batlestar Galactica, and Batman are particularly successful at retelling those old stories in a way that fits well with contemporary culture. Who is Kirk but Odysseus of the space age? What is Battlestar Galactica but Exodus with rocket ships?
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    Image of Ronnoc Ronnoc
    12/06/09

    @Bill-Lee: Which really isn't an excuse for remakes...
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    12/06/09

    @Ronnoc: The Ten Commandments is a remake. Romeo and Juliet (the play) is a remake. Most of the Greek Tragedies are remake. Every myth are remake. Fairie tales are remake. Even the Bible is a remake. Resistance is futile
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    Image of Paul_Is_Drunk Paul_Is_Drunk
    12/06/09

    @Bill-Lee: A reductivist argument. You have valid points, but it's also a gross oversimplification on the level of "no one 'needs' anything."

    Need, of course, is a conditional statement. Do I need to breathe? No. Do I need to breathe in order to live? Yes. Do I need money? No. Do I need money to pay my rent? Yes. And so on...

    So, in saying there is no such thing as an "original idea," you are right on one level. Every element of every story can be found in the stories that came before. Just like every art movement is built upon what came before it. One must have still lifes before one can have impressionism.

    Having said that, Star Wars is not original. Hero beats bad guy. The end. Not much original about that. You can expound upon it, bring in the monomyth structure, references to Akira Kurosawa films & space serials, and it would still be considered a derivative work, from a point of view.

    However, Star Wars is unique in how these ideas were brought together, how they were presented, as can easily be seen by the reaction of movie goers & the film industry in general. If Star Wars were truly unoriginal, it would have had no effect on movie making on any level.

    Is it telling the same story we've seen before? From a non-conditional point of view, yes. Is it a story that the world has seen before? Honestly, from a conditional point of view, which is how we treat the world outside of art critique, no. No one had seen anything truly like Star Wars before.
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    12/06/09

    @Paul_Is_Drunk: A writing teacher of one of my friends once told his class that every writer is essentially writing the same story in different ways. There is always a running theme or recurring device in a writers concepts, it's just spun around in different ways. This is storytelling. Technically it's true, there are no original ideas, but it is the job of the writer to take this purloined, used, ragged, dusty idea, dust it off, spit & shine it and make it different and new. What were all the Star Trek franchises but re-workings of TOS stories, and what were TOS stories but re-workings of stories that were blasts from the past, or even inspired from completely different shows like The Twilight Zone?

    Writing is like cooking. A different spice will change the flavor of the piece every time.
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