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I'm thinking of getting it as a children's book for my niece, but the text might be just a little too esoteric. Probably make a beautiful gift for someone, thought.
I would just like to point out that the Angels were originally humanoid in the most unlikely sense. These things would have a half dozen faces, more wings than you could shake a stick at and probably destroy your mind if you got a good look at them.
@ggodo, the man from R.O.A.C.H.: where are you getting this from? lol somewhat an exaggeration on the mind fuck powers and wings. (most had more then a pair for sure, but it wasnt ridiculous. ) the multiple faces seem right tho.
im guessing the book of solomon, with the stories of his binding demons to his will to build his famous temple?
@Vundal: I was exaggerating the wing part but the mind fuck would certainly work on me. I can't process the multi-faced Cherubs and Lord only knows (literally) what Seraphim actually look like, what with their wings covering their heads. These are not the sexy winged men of pop culture.
@Cupajo: I am a huge fan of Coupland... but that book really took me a while to get in to. Still, once it got going, with the idea of people and time just "freezing", it got kind of terrifying. Not his best, but there was some interesting ideas there.
@Scaramanga9: Oh I haven't watched Hex at all... I just really wanted to say "Something is better than a Whedon show."
Which in my opinion, not so much Hex maybe... but there are lots of better shows in the same vein of many of Whedon's work.
@betty.black: I didn't think it was better than Buffy, though it was more interesting at times. They used the "28 days later" music so I always expected zombified oversexed teen proto-demons, but I never got it.
@Iis4island: It was certainly interesting in moments, and I think worth giving a shot.
I found it shortly after Angel's cancellation, when I was flailing for something better than Point Pleasant to fill my "cheesy supernatural show" void. The cast and supporting characters were very strong, and that was a huge part of the draw for me.
I think the first season was fantastic, but when Cassie went all woe is me preggers, it was mostly a big eye-roll.
But the mythos was incredible and very impressive; I'd never seen that sort of exploration (I liked that they mined apocryphal/heretical Christian texts as well as Judaism), and the concept had scads of potential. Which was unfortunately kinda squandered on melodrama-over-story.
what ever happened to the portrayal of angels as the terrible messengers of god?
I seem to recall that, in biblical sources at least, whenever an angel showed up people would usually loose their shit.
these angel are more like Fairies...or rather the new-age, shitty version of Fairies...
Angels had their last and best expression in Paradise Lost...coming to theatres 2011 :\
@goldfarb: Er...I think the only time the Bible mentions angels as agents of destruction against humanity is in Revelations, where they're speaking of the apocalypse, or in the plagues Moses sends against Egypt.
Otherwise, you have mentions of them delivering good news, like appearing to the mother of Jesus and the father of John the Baptist, the shepherds on Christmas, or appearing at Jesus's empty tomb talking about the resurrection.
For an Old Testament "good" example, there's the angel that Jacob wrestles, earning himself an injury and the name Israel...that's probably the closest thing to men messing with angels in the Bible.
@kagekiri: No, they destroy Soddom and Gommoroh and all that good stuff... Not to mention the slaughtering of the first born in Egypt to convince Yul Brenner to let Charleton Heston's people go.
They are a mixed bag. I am actually pleasantly surprised by the way they are being portrayed in the CW's Supernatural.
@goldfarb: True enough, I guess that's all that "terrible messengers" really implies. And yeah, they were mostly terrified, even after the good news was delivered.
@others: I did mention Moses and the tenth plague, and I don't really remember them destroying Sodom and Gomorrah...but I'm a bit rusty. Lemme see: it seems the angels visited Lot, but says it was God who actually rained down the sulfur and fire on the cities. Huh, didn't remember that.
As for "fallen" angels in general, they mention in Revelations that Lucifer/Satan swept 1/3 of all angels ("stars") from the sky, so basically...fallen angels are demons/devils.
I guess that's the only way to up the angst and "forbidden-ness" of the romance: what's more obviously evil than vegetarian vampires and shapeshifting werewolves? DEMONS!
@kagekiri: How about the angel sent to destroy Jerusalem. "Then David lifted up his eyes and saw the angel of the Lord standing between earth and heaven, with his drawn sword in his hand stretched over Jerusalem." That's a badass angel.
@Zack Stentz: That miniseries was based on an unrelated novel called, in a triumph of creativity, "The Fallen". "The Fallen" was written by Thomas E. Sniegoski who also wrote a bunch of novels and comics set in the Buffyverse. The book discussed here is called simply "Fallen". See how its different?
@Chip Overclock: But it's a standard Hollywood weapon. Most people see it and know it's some kind of automatic weapon with cool gadgets on it. Whether it is actually the best weapon for the situation is irrelevant.
I like the MP5 models that only have a rear and fore grip and fit inside a special break-away briefcase. (It's the kind of thing the Secret Service would use.)
I think this would make such an awesomely craptastic movie that I'm wishing this was a movie trailer. Although, if I wrote a book and someone showed me this as the book trailer, I think I'd shoot them...
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I'm thinking of getting it as a children's book for my niece, but the text might be just a little too esoteric. Probably make a beautiful gift for someone, thought.
Er, like me. HINT.
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Except the angel was torn between the innocent girl and his gay lover/drug dealer.
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And these are the good guys.
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im guessing the book of solomon, with the stories of his binding demons to his will to build his famous temple?
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Sooooooo good. I can't say "better than Buffy," but if I were capable of being rational about Whedon, I probably would.
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"Hex is better than Buffy."
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Which in my opinion, not so much Hex maybe... but there are lots of better shows in the same vein of many of Whedon's work.
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I found it shortly after Angel's cancellation, when I was flailing for something better than Point Pleasant to fill my "cheesy supernatural show" void. The cast and supporting characters were very strong, and that was a huge part of the draw for me.
I think the first season was fantastic, but when Cassie went all woe is me preggers, it was mostly a big eye-roll.
But the mythos was incredible and very impressive; I'd never seen that sort of exploration (I liked that they mined apocryphal/heretical Christian texts as well as Judaism), and the concept had scads of potential. Which was unfortunately kinda squandered on melodrama-over-story.
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I seem to recall that, in biblical sources at least, whenever an angel showed up people would usually loose their shit.
these angel are more like Fairies...or rather the new-age, shitty version of Fairies...
Angels had their last and best expression in Paradise Lost...coming to theatres 2011 :\
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Otherwise, you have mentions of them delivering good news, like appearing to the mother of Jesus and the father of John the Baptist, the shepherds on Christmas, or appearing at Jesus's empty tomb talking about the resurrection.
For an Old Testament "good" example, there's the angel that Jacob wrestles, earning himself an injury and the name Israel...that's probably the closest thing to men messing with angels in the Bible.
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They are a mixed bag. I am actually pleasantly surprised by the way they are being portrayed in the CW's Supernatural.
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@others: I did mention Moses and the tenth plague, and I don't really remember them destroying Sodom and Gomorrah...but I'm a bit rusty. Lemme see: it seems the angels visited Lot, but says it was God who actually rained down the sulfur and fire on the cities. Huh, didn't remember that.
As for "fallen" angels in general, they mention in Revelations that Lucifer/Satan swept 1/3 of all angels ("stars") from the sky, so basically...fallen angels are demons/devils.
I guess that's the only way to up the angst and "forbidden-ness" of the romance: what's more obviously evil than vegetarian vampires and shapeshifting werewolves? DEMONS!
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and why are they in high school?
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I've fired an MP5 on full-auto.
Travis Chase, The Next Great Action Hero, could do better.
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I like the MP5 models that only have a rear and fore grip and fit inside a special break-away briefcase. (It's the kind of thing the Secret Service would use.)
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I don't think The Next Great Action Hero should shoot things that are usable by suburban housewives on a Saturday morning.
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