And here I was thinking Libby was just plain dead. I think I'll have to re-watch the old seasons before season 6 starts in case I missed anything else like that.
@Ike_Skelton: She is dead, but we've also seen her off the island twice: once in the asylum with Hurley, and once giving her boat to Desmond. The missing piece is how she went from owning a boat and being married to being a crazy person. That's the piece we aren't going to get to see.
The collective unconscious is not a hokey concept but the basis of Jungian psychology and mythological study. If you can come up with a better theory explaining the common motifs of myth and art, I would like to hear it.
It is not so far fetched to say that human beings, having similar thought processes and psychology will wind up creating similar myths to appeal to their common spiritual needs. However, having something very specific like All Along the Watchtower or the names of the Greek gods being passed on by the Colonists to our world just strains credulity. Having Galactica arrive at Earth so far in the past just doesn't work. It would have been much better to have them arrive around 2000-3000 BC where they could have directly passed their myths on to mankind.
I would have loved to have seen a scene where Tigh, Helen and Tyrol head up to Northern Europe and work their way into the Norse mythos (Tight would be a great Odin), while the majority of the colonists would settle in Greece. At least that way it would seem like they left something behind. The way the BSG ended, it seems like they all went out into the woods and wound up dying in the wilderness like Christopher McCandless, making all their struggles for naught which was kind of sad.
@Batmanuel: When BSG started, I actually thought that it would end with them arriving on our planet at about the time that agriculture was developed which would have been about 10'000 years ago. My thought at the time was that the Cylons would end up in the Levant to become the ancestors of the Israelites while the humans would end up in the Mediterranean to become the Greeks. However, I have no problem with them arriving 150'000 years ago except that I feel a scene was edited out where some of the Colonists have direct contact with the early homo sapiens. Also, I felt that whoever explained mitochondrial Eve to Ron Moore didn't make it clear enough.
@Bill-Lee: All Along the Watchtower would have made a lot more sense if it was explained with something concrete, for instance, Cylon material passed into human DNA. But then, I was expecting the "god" of BSG to be a Kobolian super computer trying to force a new hybrid species to evolve, or something like that.
@Alessar: Mixing DNA would still not be enough of an explanation for me. People with similar DNA write the exact same songs? More than far-fetched. In the end, it's nothing more than a cute, half-baked idea, which looks really bad in the context of BSG's otherwise mostly really great ideas.
Isn't it sad that, ultimately, the thing that BSG might be remembered for is a terrible ending? So much so that "to pull a BSG" might become part of the parlance, just as "jumping the shark" did?
@Roklimber: No, it's not sad at all. The lack of a legitimate ending to the story makes the whole story bad. It doesn't matter if you write the best first paragraph ever, when everything else is crap.
-Kle.
What I really, really want to see is RDM's response to Templeton's essay. Nothing would make me happier, in fact. Can you guys at io9 make that happen?
@Stephen Goldmeier: He would probably say, "I suck, I shoulda done better, oh well." Because you know, he already has said things like that in commentaries as the series was going on. Something like, "If I were really good I'd have had this all planned out..."
There's nothing "wrong" with making a story up as you go along. You just need to keep notes and not contradict yourself later. It's just sloppy. The entire series went off the rails for me as soon as the creative staff decided to ignore the Tomb of Athena sequence and all its ramifications.
Templeton gave a well-thought out reason for his opinions (and that's all they are) doing that whole "Critical Thinking" stuff. Responding with "NO, you're stupid and wrong! SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP!" really isn't that strong an argument for why the ending wasn't bad.
Disclosure: I never really followed BSG but the hardcore fans I know felt very let down by the finale.
@Grey_Area: As for LOST? I have no clue what the hell's going on anymore but Stephen is right, the characters are so compelling and likable/detestable that I get drawn into any episode I happen to watch. Even if the ending has enough hand waving to create a typhoon that blows everybody off the island and they all wake up in a Martian colony; I'll still have enjoyed getting to know Hurley, Sawyer, Juliet and the rest.
@Grey_Area: I watched both shows very closely. Lost has always been better in my opinion, but I was very into BSG until it imploded, starting in earnest in the second half of the final season.
Ever watch re-runs of either show? Every rerun of BSG I watch I see things that bother me, that can't be explained or are just plain bad.
Every re-run of Lost I watch makes more sense than it used to when viewed in light of recent episodes. Now, I spend a lot of time thinking about Lost, but anyone who watches regularly should watch old episodes and see how current Lost events inform previous ones. You can see that the mind boggling events in season one and two were planned very carefully and always had meaning, rather than simply being referenced and having some arbitrary meaning attached to them.
@BlueBeard: Totally agree. I've been re-watching BSG from the begginning with someone that's never seen it before and most of what Head Six says makes no sense now that we have an idea of what she is. Same goes for the final five - in my mind the worst decision the writers ever made.
@Grey_Area:
I gave up on Lost after the first season because I felt my mind exploding trying to keep up with the plot twists. Then when the time travel came in I gave up all together. I've been watching past episodes on Hulu and watching them in a row doesn't exactly mean I inderstand whats going on, but at least my mind hasn't exploded yet.
@Aidan_: That very well thought out article by Brad sadly doesn't scratch the surface of everything that went wrong. The biggest single problem, which retroactively killed the rest of the show, is that the whole war boiled down to one whiny cylon with mommy issues who programmed the whole of cylon civilization to do whatever he told them to.
The only way this will get me tuned in is......Jack turns round and screams IM RACER X!!!! Then everyone gets in cool ass cars, races them around the island a few times in an explosive manner. They then sprout wings and the wheels turn in on themselves. Then suddenly The Doc turns up and says in a finale and moving speech. 'Hey, where we are going you dont need wheels....its heaven in the past towards the future but in space at the relevant time of continuation....take my hand and together we'll fly off this island and crash ourselves into the sea in a moving epic of explosions and bigger explosions. Then a quick flash of Megan Foxs tits. Then the whole cast get picked up by the District 9 spaceship...they then ironically spend 28 years stuck in Africa making small dolls that will save humanity later on in some kind of silly way...................you dig. I dig!! Lets get it on!
Let's hope the LOST producers can learn from BSG's mistakes.
Didn't the LOST guys have an idea of how it was going to end a couple of years ago? B/c Matthew Fox is always going on about how he's the only one they told the ending to.
(Unless they were messing with his head as well.)
Anyway, if they thought of the ending a while back, that should help save them from what BSG suffered when they started flailing around.
@Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.: I think the Lost people knew the overall "mystery" of the Island when they started. However, I don't think the individual stories of each character was completely written out. As long as they had the overarching "rules" of the Island from the beginning, they could play out the different stories of the individual characters however they see fit because the rules will make sure everything makes sense in the end.
Um, if you liked the show's ending, well you must be defective somehow; it was terrible. I don't know a single person who liked the ending; the only ones I find that like it are on io9.
@Scimarad: I actually think BSG's ending wasn't super terrible, just not good enough. This post isn't even about BSG's finale, it's just using Templeton's way of looking at BSG to think about Lost's possible end.
@Magicant: Dont you dare turn your hatred to heroes. Its magnificent, its subline, its action packed, informative its.....its...itssssssss.......DOES NOT COMPUTE!!!!
And now Skynet is aware of Heroes exsistance. Brilliant. Friggin awesome. Just send the T800 back to kill the Cheerleader first.
@OW-Holmes:Enemy of R.O.A.C.H.: It will be like the dark times...the Star Trek-Star Wars Wars. The Wrath of Khan Riots. The Return of the Jedi massacre. Dark times.
I think, if I can sum up a response to the title of this posting clearly and concisely, the answer is "No, it did not" and in all fairness this show went a lot farther into explaining things then many shows of a similar nature ever have in the past.
Quantum Leap would be the worst in my book. QL's ending destroys it's own continuity, makes you question if the series as a whole ever really happened, and pins everything on God when God was rarely a topic of the series.
God and The Gods, in BSG are like off screen characters who are always there fighting for dominance. I dont think the people who claim "a God ending comes out of no where", were really paying attention..
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It is not so far fetched to say that human beings, having similar thought processes and psychology will wind up creating similar myths to appeal to their common spiritual needs. However, having something very specific like All Along the Watchtower or the names of the Greek gods being passed on by the Colonists to our world just strains credulity. Having Galactica arrive at Earth so far in the past just doesn't work. It would have been much better to have them arrive around 2000-3000 BC where they could have directly passed their myths on to mankind.
I would have loved to have seen a scene where Tigh, Helen and Tyrol head up to Northern Europe and work their way into the Norse mythos (Tight would be a great Odin), while the majority of the colonists would settle in Greece. At least that way it would seem like they left something behind. The way the BSG ended, it seems like they all went out into the woods and wound up dying in the wilderness like Christopher McCandless, making all their struggles for naught which was kind of sad.
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-Kle.
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There's nothing "wrong" with making a story up as you go along. You just need to keep notes and not contradict yourself later. It's just sloppy. The entire series went off the rails for me as soon as the creative staff decided to ignore the Tomb of Athena sequence and all its ramifications.
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Disclosure: I never really followed BSG but the hardcore fans I know felt very let down by the finale.
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Ever watch re-runs of either show? Every rerun of BSG I watch I see things that bother me, that can't be explained or are just plain bad.
Every re-run of Lost I watch makes more sense than it used to when viewed in light of recent episodes. Now, I spend a lot of time thinking about Lost, but anyone who watches regularly should watch old episodes and see how current Lost events inform previous ones. You can see that the mind boggling events in season one and two were planned very carefully and always had meaning, rather than simply being referenced and having some arbitrary meaning attached to them.
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Neither did I, but I did watch the last few episodes and felt the finale was pretty frakkin stupid. god my ass.
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I gave up on Lost after the first season because I felt my mind exploding trying to keep up with the plot twists. Then when the time travel came in I gave up all together. I've been watching past episodes on Hulu and watching them in a row doesn't exactly mean I inderstand whats going on, but at least my mind hasn't exploded yet.
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His glutes. And a Matrix marathon.
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Didn't the LOST guys have an idea of how it was going to end a couple of years ago? B/c Matthew Fox is always going on about how he's the only one they told the ending to.
(Unless they were messing with his head as well.)
Anyway, if they thought of the ending a while back, that should help save them from what BSG suffered when they started flailing around.
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Short answer : No.
Long answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo....
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Um, if you liked the show's ending, well you must be defective somehow; it was terrible. I don't know a single person who liked the ending; the only ones I find that like it are on io9.
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The complete and utter hatred of Heroes.
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And now Skynet is aware of Heroes exsistance. Brilliant. Friggin awesome. Just send the T800 back to kill the Cheerleader first.
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Boo on you! ;)
Good article, by the way.
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Quantum Leap would be the worst in my book. QL's ending destroys it's own continuity, makes you question if the series as a whole ever really happened, and pins everything on God when God was rarely a topic of the series.
God and The Gods, in BSG are like off screen characters who are always there fighting for dominance. I dont think the people who claim "a God ending comes out of no where", were really paying attention..
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