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    Image of twDarkflame twDarkflame
    12/12/09

    In reply to Do We Know How Caprica Ends?
    It will end in plotholes and plenty of things will contradict BSG.
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    Image of Daveinva Daveinva
    12/11/09

    In reply to Do We Know How Caprica Ends?
    You know what this feels like?

    Star Wars Episode II.

    Decades of waiting to see the Clone Wars, and we have to wait 2 3/4s of a movie to get to the end of Attack of the Clones to see the start of the war.

    Guess what?

    Episode III, war's over, folks. Moose out front shoulda told ya.

    Oh, I suppose it's okay though-- we've got a *cartoon*. Ooooh, joy.

    I like my sci-fi thoughtful. I like interesting moral dilemmas, challenging technological problems, and watching humanity react to the fantastic.

    But dammit, I also want to see shit blow up REAL COOL.

    I got that with BSG. We won't get that with Caprica. Instead, we'll be teased with, "Well, the Cylon Wars are coming..."

    Of course, that's when Caprica ENDS, so it's not like we'll get to see cool stuff. Because cool stuff costs money.

    Like I said a while back here, not a week goes by where I don't miss BSG more than I did before.
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    Image of Eridani Eridani
    12/10/09

    In reply to Do We Know How Caprica Ends?
    Well, er, we all know how Caprica really ends. Or how it ends up, at least. I just don't find this story compelling. Civilization builds robot slaves, robot slaves rebel and destroy their masters. It's that second part that's interesting, not so much the first. I'm not saying all origin stories are bad, just that I find this one irrelevant.
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    Charlie Jane Anders promoted this comment Eridani was starred Eridani was unstarred
    Image of LolaInSlacks LolaInSlacks
    12/11/09

    @Eridani: I'm still pretending the BSG finale didn't happen, but I can see your point. It seems like it might limit some of the things the writers can explore with the concept that a new series wouldn't need to worry about.
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    Image of twophrasebark twophrasebark
    12/10/09

    In reply to Do We Know How Caprica Ends?
    At the same time, going from the creation of the first Cylon to outright war with the Cylons within just a few years feels a bit speedy. What do you think?

    I don't think this show will be on for very long...
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    twophrasebark was starred twophrasebark was unstarred
    Image of JRD_2 JRD_2
    12/10/09

    In reply to Do We Know How Caprica Ends?
    If BSG taught us anything, it's that even the writers will have no idea how the show ends until two or three epidodes beforehand.
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    RexMaximus promoted this comment Edited by JRD_2 at 12/10/09 5:01 PM JRD_2 was starred JRD_2 was unstarred
    Image of twDarkflame twDarkflame
    12/12/09

    @JRD_2: Or less. They were still banging on about "harbinger of death" right till the epp before last.
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    Image of gorehound gorehound
    12/10/09

    In reply to Do We Know How Caprica Ends?
    I am not even sure I like Caprica.I am going to decide after watching some episodes.

    I am sure that they will milk BSG as long as it is profitable for them to do that.
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    NerD: Blattella promoted this comment gorehound was starred gorehound was unstarred
    Image of OW-Holmes:Bringer of Fear OW-Holmes:Bringer of Fear
    12/10/09

    In reply to Do We Know How Caprica Ends?
    If its anything like BSG we can be sure it will end poorly.

    Though we will get a peek of Ronald Moore's luscious locks.
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    OW-Holmes:Bringer of Fear was starred OW-Holmes:Bringer of Fear was unstarred
    Image of AOClaus AOClaus
    12/10/09

    @OW-Holmes:Bringer of Fear: Still up in arms about that ending huh? I guess some people can't take that it didn't end the way they felt it should.
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    Edited by AOClaus at 12/10/09 4:51 PM AOClaus was starred AOClaus was unstarred
    Image of OW-Holmes:Bringer of Fear OW-Holmes:Bringer of Fear
    12/10/09

    @AOClaus:I came away enjoying it, but the more I thought about it the more I couldn't stand it.

    I suppose its not really the ending. When they picked the final 5 and killed Starbuck only to bring her back there really wasn't much more it could do. I suppose they did all that they could in the last episode, but they shouldn't have painted themselves into a corner.
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    OW-Holmes:Bringer of Fear was starred OW-Holmes:Bringer of Fear was unstarred
    Image of Motoki Motoki
    12/10/09

    @OW-Holmes:Bringer of Fear: I feel like when I didn't think about it, that ending was okay enough, but the more I thought about it and examined it the more it just fell apart.

    This would be fine if it weren't for the fact that this is a show that tackled issues and challenged the audience to think so it's not so easy to just turn that off grab the popcorn and enjoy the ride without examining it closely.
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    Image of Bigdamnhero Bigdamnhero
    12/11/09

    @AOClaus: RDM's cameo was fine with me. It appeared in the coda of the finale, anyway; it's not like he jammed himself in the main story. The fraking dancing robot montage was what irritated me... felt like an Acme hammer over the head.

    I also was not happy with the ending, but I've also made my peace with it. I don't think any piece of art fully succeeds or fails; just cause the ending sucked doesn't mean the rest did. BSG was much better than it was worse.
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    Image of commentotron commentotron
    12/11/09

    @AOClaus: Indeed. Half the folks I talk too are upset that it wasn't a big CGI orgy battle at earth with new allies or something cut and dried and simple as "yay humans!"

    I liked the ending. I liked that they didn't tie everything up in a bow and spoon feed it to the viewer.
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    twDarkflame promoted this comment commentotron was starred commentotron was unstarred
    Image of Fabrice Fabrice
    12/11/09

    @commentotron:

    Well there are reasons for this. Anything would have been better than the final episode and they hit the perfect ending at 4x12 already.

    Sending all the fleet burn into the sun before even knowing if everybody was dead or if the planet would be habitable was frankly hard to digest,
    The whole God was bored and the plan sucked, I cannot deal with either.

    More importantly, what is really is dirsturbing me is the ideology that the show is conveying specifically in this episode. When I think about it
    I feel dumb and numb as if my IQ drops a little. It's really annoying to see a show turning from great to WTF in one episode.
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    twDarkflame promoted this comment Fabrice was starred Fabrice was unstarred
    Image of twDarkflame twDarkflame
    12/12/09

    @commentotron: The only reason it didnt spoon feed was because there was *nothing there to feed us*

    We wernt asking for big battles, thats a strawman. We just hoped and prayed that the events of the last 2 seasons wernt just random and were building to something.

    But they wernt.
    BSG's ending retroactively revealed a lot of the rest of BSG as crap. It revealed there wasnt any sense to the events.
    *Thats* what upset people. It wasnt the ending as such, it was that the whole story was a lie.

    A lie covered by superb acting, but still a lie.
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    twDarkflame was starred twDarkflame was unstarred
    Image of Ghost_in_the_Machine Ghost_in_the_Machine
    12/10/09

    In reply to Do We Know How Caprica Ends?
    Caprica will end with SyFy announcing a new show - Galactica: The War Years. The BSG cow will be milked for all it is worth.
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    Ghost_in_the_Machine was starred Ghost_in_the_Machine was unstarred
    Image of Bill-Lee Bill-Lee
    12/10/09

    In reply to Do We Know How Caprica Ends?
    I think the assumption from Den of Geek is correct. If Adama joins the service at 18, he would be just in time to fight through the last 3 years of the war. Nico Cortez, the actor who played young Adama in those Razor flashbacks certainly looks like a weathered, battle hardened 21. Since Caprica is set before the Colonies were unified, it is not unreasonable that the Cylon War began shortly after their construction, perhaps as a mutiny during inter-colonial warfare.
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    Bill-Lee was starred Bill-Lee was unstarred
    Image of Spaceknight Spaceknight
    12/10/09

    In reply to Do We Know How Caprica Ends?
    "going from the creation of the first Cylon to outright war with the Cylons within just a few years feels a bit speedy."
    I kinda like that. Makes progress feel imminently dangerous. Instead of progress creating problems for the next generation to inherit.
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    Charlie Jane Anders promoted this comment Spaceknight was starred Spaceknight was unstarred
    Image of ctaylor ctaylor
    12/10/09

    In reply to Do We Know How Caprica Ends?
    Caprica ends with it being cancelled prematurely.
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    twophrasebark promoted this comment ctaylor was starred ctaylor was unstarred
    Image of Spaceknight Spaceknight
    12/10/09

    @ctaylor: no no no. The-channel-formerly-known-as-SciFi owns too much of it. Shows they own go on for years, get aired 4 times a week, and advertised every commercial break. They only trash the shows they don't own that don't bring in enough money for their percentage. (and sometimes trash those shows to create a new spinoff where they own a higher percent.)
     Reply
    MISS MERCY STREET promoted this comment Spaceknight was starred Spaceknight was unstarred
    Image of Kitradu Kitradu
    12/10/09

    In reply to Do We Know How Caprica Ends?
    Don't you think if we made robots that think...and their prime directive is to do no harm to and protect humans...they're gonna see how bad we are to ourselves? The only eventuallity is the Matrix...
     Reply
    tande04 promoted this comment Edited by Kitradu at 12/10/09 3:30 PM Kitradu was starred Kitradu was unstarred
    Image of cylon_conspiracy cylon_conspiracy
    12/10/09

    In reply to Do We Know How Caprica Ends?
    "So I guess it's barely possible that if the series ends with Willie Adama as a tween or teen, you could see the start of the First Cylon War, if Adama joined the service as a 18-year-old."

    Not to go all Star Wars on you, but I always thought Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru looked extremely haggard and weathered for 40 year old tatooine farmers in their 1977 incarnations.
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    cylon_conspiracy was starred cylon_conspiracy was unstarred
    Image of cylon_conspiracy cylon_conspiracy
    12/10/09

    @cylon_conspiracy: Before:

    [images2.wikia.nocookie.net]
    18 years later:

    [www.filmdope.com]

    [images4.wikia.nocookie.net]
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    Edited by cylon_conspiracy at 12/10/09 3:28 PM cylon_conspiracy was starred cylon_conspiracy was unstarred
    Image of Kitradu Kitradu
    12/10/09

    @cylon_conspiracy: Luke's fault. Stress'll do that to you. It took all Owen's crass-rigidity to break all that making the baby toys float around the room, you know!
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    cylon_conspiracy promoted this comment Kitradu was starred Kitradu was unstarred
    Image of cylon_conspiracy cylon_conspiracy
    12/10/09

    @Kitradu: Absolutely! That couldn't have been an easy parenting experience.
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    cylon_conspiracy was starred cylon_conspiracy was unstarred
    Image of tande04 tande04
    12/10/09

    @cylon_conspiracy: Its effectively the "sun" planet of SW.

    Everyone on there is going to come out looking like wrinkled shoe leather.

    I was going to put a joke about any number of celebrities on our planet here but couldn't come up with a good one.
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    Edited by tande04 at 12/10/09 3:33 PM tande04 was starred tande04 was unstarred
    Image of aubreyf aubreyf
    12/10/09

    @cylon_conspiracy: Moister farming is a helluva job.
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    aubreyf was starred aubreyf was unstarred
    Image of cylon_conspiracy cylon_conspiracy
    12/10/09

    @tande04: You get a medal for Excellence in Star Wars Apologetics. :P
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    Edited by cylon_conspiracy at 12/10/09 3:35 PM cylon_conspiracy was starred cylon_conspiracy was unstarred
    Image of cylon_conspiracy cylon_conspiracy
    12/10/09

    @aubreyf: Not to mention that if there's a bright spot to galaxy, being on tatooine is the furthest away you can get from it.

    What a way to waste a life.... out of all the places you could live.
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    cylon_conspiracy was starred cylon_conspiracy was unstarred
    Image of OW-Holmes:Bringer of Fear OW-Holmes:Bringer of Fear
    12/10/09

    @cylon_conspiracy: With Hutts and Tuskens it cant be easy. It certainly isn't a place for etiquette or protocol.
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    OW-Holmes:Bringer of Fear was starred OW-Holmes:Bringer of Fear was unstarred
    Image of Hotscot Hotscot
    12/10/09

    @OW-Holmes:Bringer of Fear: But a great environment for scum and villainy.
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    OW-Holmes:Bringer of Fear promoted this comment Hotscot was starred Hotscot was unstarred
    Image of JennaW JennaW
    12/07/09

    In reply to Tons Of Revealing Pics Of The Tenth And Eleventh Doctors. Plus Meet Another William Adama!
    Wouldn't that be because Harriet Jones died in "The Stolen Earth" while being awesome and heroic?
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    JennaW was starred JennaW was unstarred
    Image of firstanointed firstanointed
    12/07/09

    In reply to Spoiler-Filled Caprica Gallery Reveals The Character Flaws That Launched The Cylons
    Luciano Carro, yay! But who are all the boring young people?
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