(I'd like to leave aside any religious considerations for this discussion, since that would lead to other questions that aren't related enough at the moment.)

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[en.wikipedia.org]

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(To be clear, I don't like China's one-child policy or how they enforce it, either. Nor do I think humanity has grown enough to accept any child-limiting policy. And of course, one would hope that such a policy would never need to be implemented--but if it did I would not hesitate.)

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It's taking away a woman's sovereignty over her own body because really, how else would you establish the two kid policy if not on the woman? And what if there are divorces and a woman already had kids with her other husband? Does she not get to have any more with a new one? It's far too messy.

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Interestingly, I fall with the pro-choicers in abortion debates. But I've never used 'a woman's right over her own body' to argue my position. (It's true in my experience, however, that anti-abortionists are ignorant, brainwashed, or (even if not consciously) anti-women's rights.)

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Short of filling the air and water with contraceptives to sterilize both men and women, then letting everyone have an antidote to have one kid (probably with allowances for another if yours died young) and tracking everyone's DNA, there's no way.

Which raises so many invasion of privacy questions, it would never fly even in a non-religious world. Not to mention the record-keeping and biological improbabilities.

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Infringing on human rights? Sure, but at least everyone is infringed on equally.

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Just as parents of humans tend to get "oh, you're Emily and Jason's mom", owners of pets tend to get "oh, you're Fido and Fluffy's dad."

If I had a human kid, I certainly wouldn't refer to it publicly as evil; I may not want children, but I wouldn't fuck 'em up like that.

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Messing with cat psyches is fun, the cops don't arrest you, and kitty never gets so big that you can't throw it into another room and ignore it when it freaks out.

Plus, society really frowns on spontaneous weekend trips where you leave the kids alone with a bowl of water and a bowl of dry food.

(Tortie isn't actually Evil, she's just a little odd and very bossy. But Drama Queen Tortie's Mom doesn't flow as well.)

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Mah ovahrees - not yers to dictate tnx wurld.

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"I'd like to see this normalized as accepted behavior in our society -- just b/c you want to get married doesn't mean you also have to have kids."

I do not agree with you, ET'sM, but that's your personal right, but don't suggest any state-sanctioned solution to force others to follow your bad idea.

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You got the state-sanctioned force idea all by yourself. Will you be ramping up the might of the state to make me reproduce against my will, then?

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@twDarkflame: it doesn't matter how many women a man can father a child from if the sexes split 50/50. if the split is 50/50 and the average children per woman is 1.83 then the average children per man must also be 1.83.

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Oh man, I would LOVE to see a law like that here in the US.

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That's a great idea. Enough with 14+ children from these mormons and catholic families. They're fucking it up for everyone. The vagina is not a clown car people.

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And scary.

Would buying children, or kid credits, become the new black market? Like buying organs today?

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You could give them away, to your relatives or friends or total strangers. This would prevent the rich (who cause more emissions anyway) from monopolizing all the kids, and give poor but good people a chance to have as many as they want.

Nobody gets rich from sperm bank deposits, and this could be like that. With severe fines and punishment if you did sell or buy.

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