I didn't really like Children of Men. Yes, yes, it was certainly technically impressive, but I don't know, the whole thing seemed rather depressing, almost as bad as Pan's Labyrinth. Dear God, I wanted to shoot myself after that movie.
@TemporalSword: I hear you... I waited a LONG time to see Children of Men... From what I had gathered I knew it was going to be depressing, but I finally gave into all the "best sci-fi film of the decade" hype and watched it.
I thought it was great, and I actually didn't realize it was going to have those cool FX, but it was certainly a downer of a film. Same thing with Pan's Labyrinth... great movie, excellent way to bring yourself down from being too happy.
Because, being happy and watching movies that make you feel good are for pollyannas and children. Adults know better.
@TemporalSword: If you thought the movie Children of Men was depressing, try reading the original novel. The novel will actually make you want to kill yourself.
@TemporalSword: Good dystopias frequently are depressing - 1984, Brave New World, Harrison Bergeron, etc. Children of Men at least gave the "ray of hope" ending to brighten it up a bit. That said, it's all about personal taste - I love the depressing stuff (my students complain about it, actually), but i know it is not for everyone.
@TemporalSword: Im not gonna flay you for Children of Men, that movie was good, but not incredible, but, Pan's Labyrinth? are you out of your mind? or is it because it's an international movie with subtitles?
@TemporalSword: What's wrong with soul crushingly depressing, that's the part I really liked in this movie, it's gets you emotionally involved, for a very cold and calculated person my eyes were wet watching this...
@Bill-Lee: Really? I thought the movie was more depressing.
Even though it was a really not-very-good adaptation of the book, I thought it was an excellent movie.
@JohnnyZito: How would they get guys to see it without tight pants and such? Besides, we may like some emotional depth, but we still like kick-ass female leads to be hot. I just wish Hollywood understood that eating is sexy...
Yes yes yes... all good. But let's not be too hasty and rule out the ass-kicking ladies in tight pants altogether, at this early stage ... I mean, baby and bathwater etc etc ...
This will be a hard sell if it is set in Japan, and a complete failure if it is set anywhere other than Japan. All the characters, including Akira, are Japanese.
There really is no point to making a live action version. IF anything I would like to see an animated miniseries that more closely follows the comic books.
@gd01skorpius: I'm honestly surprised that such a series hasn't been made yet. If the new Fullmetal Alchemist series is any indication, there's money in making (or remaking) an animated project to more closely follow source material.
The only good that can come of this is hopefully they'll reprint/restock the manga so I'm not stuck searching for copies that aren't $60-120 a piece. I suppose we could get a good couple of movies out of it too, if we're very lucky.
@laikapants: are you looking for the english version or the japanese version because the english paper backs are widely available on amazon for $16-40 each and there appears to be a reprint of vol. 1 that will be available soon: [www.amazon.com]
@tetracycloide: English. The early volumes aren't bad, but whenever I try and find 4-6 they get into the crazy price ranges. *pause whilst looking at link* However, it appears they are slowly reprinting the whole thing with vol 2 coming out in Jan and 3 in April. This is good, thanks for the heads up tetra!
Resetting the movie in Manhattan allows for a great allusion to the Manhattan Project (look it up) which would transform the focus of the story from those who feell victimized by the atomic bomb to those who are ultimately responsible for it. Akira doesn't need to be set in Japan, its themes of youthful rebellion, alienation, control mechanisms, and transformation are universal. Those who argue that the story MUST be set in Japan are have an extreme form of what could be termed Nippophilia and in its own way worse than Nippophobia. Its like the guy who goes to a sushi bar to show off how cultured he is but ends up eating California rolls with a fork.
@Bill-Lee: i disagree. part of the depression in akira is based not on the aftermath of the nuclear bomb but the des-humanization of society. The nuclear "akira" bomb explosion just shows the power of akira and sets the idea of a "post apocalyptic" society.
it needs to happen in japan because the loneliness and depressive atmosphere cant be reproduce on any other place in the world. most horror movies come to mind, like "black water". that movie is scary and sad because of how pathetic their characters are, and how no matter how bad things get, they keep going. and even tho it is sad there is hope at the end. the american version is just silly because the hopelessness of the characters is just not there. in my opinion because the situation is not well represented in the context of american society.
in akira you need to feel that the characters mean nothing. they dont have nothing else than the moment they live in. and in contrast people who have enough to just not care about nothing. and in the middle the victim of both extremes. but with all that, there is still hope in the end.
if there is going to be a new story, fine. do it in america.
but why in america? everything needs to happen in america? no. besides, japan is the only post apocalyptic society in the world. they tell that story in that context because it is their context. because they have suffered massive destruction.
so in short, America would have to be nuked to be a believable setting for akira's political and cultural context.
@Fuji-kun: You may not be aware of this, but the American inner-city can be a bleak and hopeless place, despite the overall wealth of the nation. Furthermore, while the Sept 11. attacks caused only a fraction of the devastation of the atomic attacks, it had an approximate psychological impact on those who experienced it. Thus, setting the movie in Manhattan does not necessarily gut the themes and feel of the original film. Furthermore, as Bill-Lee points out, the connection to the Manhattan Project can be quite compelling.
i'm not sure i understand the issue with a location shift other than nationalism. most of the plot of the original manga takes place in after an apocalypse in what was already a post-apocalyptic tokyo of the future. at that level of separation does the name of the city really actually matter? really? they could call the city neo-futuremegacitysburg and it wouldn't change the story one bit.
Okay I'm sorry I can't see this happening, especially if the rumors about moving the setting from Neo Tokyo to Manhattan are true. NO NO NO! This is wrong on SOOO Many levels. And having Jospeh Gordon Levitt as Tetsuo is just bad. Probably change his name to Kevin or something else American. I don't normally flip out about changes but that's a major one.
And as for people bitching about Watchmen. JUST STOP! 20+ years people waited for the movie, and when it gets here all you can do is whine? Seriously? ABout a Squid for the most part too? The thing was in the book for two pages and was DEAD! The ending that Snyder gave was actually more realistic. Its more realistic to think the one ace in the hole we have finally just flipped as opposed to the threat of alien invasion, when only ONE alien arrived and DIED in it's arrival. As for the movie itself, yes it was slow and drawn out but so is the comic. For what it was, it was a damned fine adaptation. Issues with certain actresses aside I felt the casting was good.
@Dedpool3678: If your interest in the comic stops after the location being in Japan and a few names, please stop claiming to be a fan.
I'm not bothered by the idea of Manhattan. For all intents and purposes, NYC is the closest thing to Tokyo the USA has. I'm also not bothered by the idea of changing Japanese names to American ones.
Sort of bothered by ANY of the cast (except Dennis Quaid) of GI Joe being involved.
This is the AMERICAN version. If you want it to take place in Japan and have all the characters be Japanese, go watch the animated movie or the comic book.
@Rocketknight: why it shouldn't happen in america? cause america was never nuked. two towers fell and there was mass hysteria. even today there is more fear than assertiveness. once america gets nuked on 10 to 15% of its territory and gets built back up from the generosity of it's nukers, then america could be a possibility. till then japan and it's society should be the only place where akira takes place.
AND, if you never bother to look into the background of the story told in both the movie and manga, and didn't find it relevant to know about japanese culture and society, then you should go back and read more into it.
AND if you think NYC looks to you like tokyo today, or even remotely similar to the neotokyo in akira, then i suggest you get your eyesight checked and go to tokyo. ill say NYC in unique but it is far far away from tokyo. and it is not just tokyo but the outskirts too that need to be taken in account, cause not all akira, little i would say, happens in the core of neo tokyo.
@Fuji-kun: if you never bothered to look into the background of the manhatan project and don't feel it could be appropriate to juxtapose the setting in that way then you should really go back and read more into how the message can be applied universally. what could possibly be a more appropriate american adapted message than 'what if we hadn't bombed japan but had instead accidentally unleashed the bomb on ourselves?'
Even Ben Affleck had Good Will Hunting and Chasing Amy! Joseph Gordon-Levitt is not the second coming of the greatest actor of all fucking time!
G'damn. How hard is it to play a high school Sam Spade with a cast of also-rans? I liked the movie, but damn that being the only reason for him being an *awesome actor* is REALLY starting to get annoying.
@Paul_Is_Drunk: Also I said was "pretty good" but he's also gotten some high praise for Mysterious Skin and the Lookout. I haven't actually seen either, so I'll stick with "pretty good." My original point was not to discount him just b/c he was GI Joe in reference to Rocketknight's comment: "Sort of bothered by ANY of the cast (except Dennis Quaid) of GI Joe being involved." And really, Joseph Gordon-Levitt vs. Dennis Quaid? ...kind of neck and neck at that point.
@Rocketknight: this how we do it then , sense this train wreck will be a american version of a great epic . for the american this what they should do .
Kenada = American ver. call him Kanada
Tetsuo = call him Tennesse .
Akira = call it Okra .
Cause doing a complete restructure of this series is such a horrible insult .
you might as well call it something else and copy the rest .
You know what, I don't even care. If they do make it, two things could happen. No one'll see it and it'll barely break even. Then it'll make studios think twice before mindlessly re-treading fantastic old movies. Or it'll be different, awesome and deep, and I won't mind seeing it.
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I didn't really like Children of Men. Yes, yes, it was certainly technically impressive, but I don't know, the whole thing seemed rather depressing, almost as bad as Pan's Labyrinth. Dear God, I wanted to shoot myself after that movie.
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I thought it was great, and I actually didn't realize it was going to have those cool FX, but it was certainly a downer of a film. Same thing with Pan's Labyrinth... great movie, excellent way to bring yourself down from being too happy.
Because, being happy and watching movies that make you feel good are for pollyannas and children. Adults know better.
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Even though it was a really not-very-good adaptation of the book, I thought it was an excellent movie.
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Oh, and she's a woman. Female power!
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There really is no point to making a live action version. IF anything I would like to see an animated miniseries that more closely follows the comic books.
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it needs to happen in japan because the loneliness and depressive atmosphere cant be reproduce on any other place in the world. most horror movies come to mind, like "black water". that movie is scary and sad because of how pathetic their characters are, and how no matter how bad things get, they keep going. and even tho it is sad there is hope at the end. the american version is just silly because the hopelessness of the characters is just not there. in my opinion because the situation is not well represented in the context of american society.
in akira you need to feel that the characters mean nothing. they dont have nothing else than the moment they live in. and in contrast people who have enough to just not care about nothing. and in the middle the victim of both extremes. but with all that, there is still hope in the end.
if there is going to be a new story, fine. do it in america.
but why in america? everything needs to happen in america? no. besides, japan is the only post apocalyptic society in the world. they tell that story in that context because it is their context. because they have suffered massive destruction.
so in short, America would have to be nuked to be a believable setting for akira's political and cultural context.
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(I also eat California rolls with a fork.)
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And as for people bitching about Watchmen. JUST STOP! 20+ years people waited for the movie, and when it gets here all you can do is whine? Seriously? ABout a Squid for the most part too? The thing was in the book for two pages and was DEAD! The ending that Snyder gave was actually more realistic. Its more realistic to think the one ace in the hole we have finally just flipped as opposed to the threat of alien invasion, when only ONE alien arrived and DIED in it's arrival. As for the movie itself, yes it was slow and drawn out but so is the comic. For what it was, it was a damned fine adaptation. Issues with certain actresses aside I felt the casting was good.
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I'm not bothered by the idea of Manhattan. For all intents and purposes, NYC is the closest thing to Tokyo the USA has. I'm also not bothered by the idea of changing Japanese names to American ones.
Sort of bothered by ANY of the cast (except Dennis Quaid) of GI Joe being involved.
This is the AMERICAN version. If you want it to take place in Japan and have all the characters be Japanese, go watch the animated movie or the comic book.
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AND, if you never bother to look into the background of the story told in both the movie and manga, and didn't find it relevant to know about japanese culture and society, then you should go back and read more into it.
AND if you think NYC looks to you like tokyo today, or even remotely similar to the neotokyo in akira, then i suggest you get your eyesight checked and go to tokyo. ill say NYC in unique but it is far far away from tokyo. and it is not just tokyo but the outskirts too that need to be taken in account, cause not all akira, little i would say, happens in the core of neo tokyo.
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Honestly, if they just made it "The Warriors" with psychics, I wouldn't be upset.
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It was one good movie!
Even Ben Affleck had Good Will Hunting and Chasing Amy! Joseph Gordon-Levitt is not the second coming of the greatest actor of all fucking time!
G'damn. How hard is it to play a high school Sam Spade with a cast of also-rans? I liked the movie, but damn that being the only reason for him being an *awesome actor* is REALLY starting to get annoying.
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Kenada = American ver. call him Kanada
Tetsuo = call him Tennesse .
Akira = call it Okra .
Cause doing a complete restructure of this series is such a horrible insult .
you might as well call it something else and copy the rest .
I pray this stupid idea fails .
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I've always preferred indifference to pessimism.