Sorry but when ever I see "Chris Claremont" I get a little nauseous. What he did to the Willow universe was unforgivable and just badly done. It was like he was channeling Fox network.
@omgwtflolbbqbye: Personally, I'm hoping for a feature length adaptation of a What If...? Or maybe combine the 12 or so issues where Wolverton was killed off.
I also like that quote b/c the number of characters in comics whose deaths meant The End is dwarfed by the number of characters in comics whose deaths meant maybe a month or two out of circulation.
And sure, nobody's been able to do it in the normal continuity, but killing Wolverine in some potential future or alternate past is practically a cliche. Actually, not practically. But then, I haven't been reading Marvel lately so maybe it's not as common as it was during the nineties.
They would never kill off Wolvie in any feature film. They couldn't do it with Superman, and it'd be the same as killing off Bond in a Bond film. Never happen.
Sometimes I think there is some backlash because Wolvie's so popular, which is why maybe Claremont wanted to kill him.
I'll just be happy if the movies get better. I haven't seen the first, and I'm on the fence whether I ever should, from what I've heard.
@engtech: I agree. Yet, Liev Shreiber grabs Will-Eye-Pea by the spine. Dude grabs him by the spine.
Perplexing and oddly satisfying, so I say Nerd Rage=Satiated.
DC's Rebels is one of the best books out right now. The sociopath Vril Dox absolutely shines in this Science Fiction Opera. I plug this book for purely selfish reasons because I don't want it to get canceled. A very underrated book!
The writing is a tro cious. Terrible drek. But the artwork is stunningly beautiful loose watercolor/gouache, and Marcel Duchamp is the villain! Really worth it just for looks.
@gods-n-clods: I was thinking the same thing, although I actually liked the story. I could be wrong, but I believe it was the first adult Wolverine story done, and really showed what an animalistic killer he was.
I never liked that marvel decided to tell the story of Logan as they did with "Origin." I always felt he worked best as the man with "a past." with out telling us this and that. It left it open to the readership to try to piece it all together. Showing it all like that makes it much less interesting. I also HATED HATED HATED that the claws were part of him. It seemed more reasonable ( in comic book suspension of disbelief terms) that the Weapon X project coated his bones with Adamantium and the built the claws into him.
@NigelGallows: They never really "decided" to write Origin so much as someone happened to realize that with the X-Men hitting the silver screen, it was only a matter of time before some director decided to tell Wolverine's origin story, and they damned well weren't going to let it be established by anything that was not a comic book. So in the grand scheme of things, it's not so much that they came up with a story that was so great that they couldn't resist telling it, but that they felt a compelling need to come up with something _first_.
That being said, I actually thought it worked pretty well.
@Purple Dave: I agree. I've been a pretty big Wolverine fan since the late 80's and I had no problem with Origin at all, nor did I have a problem with the claws being part of him. Claremont explained in an interview years ago that they were headed for that revelation eventually, just to make the explanation simpler.
I also liked how they made his powers develop in Origin: he was a sickly child as his healing factor basically built up immunity and that it healed his psyche as well, explaining why he had no memory of his tragic past. That worked a hell of a lot better than Larry Hama's Shiva storyline and all those memory implants. Damned if I knew what Wolverine 50 through, say, 75 were about. It was confusing as hell.
However, I know after House of M they made a big deal about him remembering his past, but wasn't there some Russian mutant (not Omega Red) he fought somewhere during Wolverine 60-70 that revealed his memories to him? Marvel dropped that pretty quickly. I think it was around issue 67 or 68, somewhere in there.
@ultra76: I think that was Epsilon Red. But the Shiva/Psi-Borg storyline/explanation series in those issues of Wolverine were always purposefully unclear--they were supposed to suggest that Wolverine thought he'd finally learned the truth about his memories, but there was always something that revealed those memories to be false (like the recurring demonic radiator, for example).
@Burke: The implication in Weapon X was definitely that they were added during the experiments, and I think a lot of writers after that just assumed it was true without specifically saying so.
@braak: Uh, no. No. Responding late but I have to correct this, I've got the Weapon X comic in front of me.
The dialogue/monologue boxes specifically mention "there's an excess drain at ... hand and wrist." They don't know why it's happening. The claws were already there.
@redbess: Okay. Look at it about ten pages in, all of the word balloons right there in the top bracket.
The professor says, "What else do I not know about experiment X?"
Right when they're talking about the excess adamantium drain. The excess drain is an accidental result of the experiment, which is why they don't know about it--but they WOULD have known if he had claws. They've got his medical history, they can do x-rays.
Later on, when the professor and Cornelius are talking to each other, Cornelius says that the claws are "pure adamantium," not bone claws bonded with adamantium--I am pretty sure that the implication here is that Logan's body made the claws out of adamantium when they gave it to him. Weapon X didn't give him the claws on purpose, but it was specifically the adamantium experiment that yielded them.
this makes no sense. if you have not already read the comics doing so is more likely to diminish your appreciation for the movie, not enhance it. if the comics are enjoyable it would make a lackluster film even less so.
@tetracycloide: Shucks, I have to disagree. Why would learning more about the main character diminish appreciation for a movie about said character? Fail.
@Bats:it's really quite simple, a bad movie would be easier to appreciate if there are no vested interests in the characters. if i like wolverine or dead pool a lot i might be sad if they were roally fucked up in the film, for example.
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YES. If I could wash reading those books out of my mind, I would.
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What?
This is the X-Men. Where everyone on the team has died at least once and been resurrected.
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I also like that quote b/c the number of characters in comics whose deaths meant The End is dwarfed by the number of characters in comics whose deaths meant maybe a month or two out of circulation.
And sure, nobody's been able to do it in the normal continuity, but killing Wolverine in some potential future or alternate past is practically a cliche. Actually, not practically. But then, I haven't been reading Marvel lately so maybe it's not as common as it was during the nineties.
09/11/09
Sometimes I think there is some backlash because Wolvie's so popular, which is why maybe Claremont wanted to kill him.
I'll just be happy if the movies get better. I haven't seen the first, and I'm on the fence whether I ever should, from what I've heard.
09/11/09
If that doesn't cause spams of Nerd Rage, then maybe you can sit through Wolverine:Origins. I know I couldn't.
09/11/09
Perplexing and oddly satisfying, so I say Nerd Rage=Satiated.
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The writing is a tro cious. Terrible drek. But the artwork is stunningly beautiful loose watercolor/gouache, and Marcel Duchamp is the villain! Really worth it just for looks.
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They never really "decided" to write Origin so much as someone happened to realize that with the X-Men hitting the silver screen, it was only a matter of time before some director decided to tell Wolverine's origin story, and they damned well weren't going to let it be established by anything that was not a comic book. So in the grand scheme of things, it's not so much that they came up with a story that was so great that they couldn't resist telling it, but that they felt a compelling need to come up with something _first_.
That being said, I actually thought it worked pretty well.
04/27/09
I also liked how they made his powers develop in Origin: he was a sickly child as his healing factor basically built up immunity and that it healed his psyche as well, explaining why he had no memory of his tragic past. That worked a hell of a lot better than Larry Hama's Shiva storyline and all those memory implants. Damned if I knew what Wolverine 50 through, say, 75 were about. It was confusing as hell.
However, I know after House of M they made a big deal about him remembering his past, but wasn't there some Russian mutant (not Omega Red) he fought somewhere during Wolverine 60-70 that revealed his memories to him? Marvel dropped that pretty quickly. I think it was around issue 67 or 68, somewhere in there.
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The dialogue/monologue boxes specifically mention "there's an excess drain at ... hand and wrist." They don't know why it's happening. The claws were already there.
04/28/09
The professor says, "What else do I not know about experiment X?"
Right when they're talking about the excess adamantium drain. The excess drain is an accidental result of the experiment, which is why they don't know about it--but they WOULD have known if he had claws. They've got his medical history, they can do x-rays.
Later on, when the professor and Cornelius are talking to each other, Cornelius says that the claws are "pure adamantium," not bone claws bonded with adamantium--I am pretty sure that the implication here is that Logan's body made the claws out of adamantium when they gave it to him. Weapon X didn't give him the claws on purpose, but it was specifically the adamantium experiment that yielded them.
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