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    Image of Jeremy Tapsell Jeremy Tapsell
    11/10/09

    In reply to Is Clint Eastwood's 2004 Tsunami Picture Too Soon?
    The brilliant "Tsunami: The Aftermath" came out in 2006. It was such a harrowing and thoughtful piece on the disaster and the BBC did a wonderful job not only in not exploiting the tragedy of the whole event, but also showing us humanity.

    It did suffer for it's "too soon" concern, but it was such a good movie that didn't really factor in.
    While this was a hugely significant event in south eastern Asia, I don't think that incorporating a character who experienced the event into a movie that isn't actually about the event is treating the subject with any disrespect. In fact it is almost an attitude of acceptance; a naturalness becoming in our collective conciousness. #clinteastwood
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    Image of omgwtflolbbqbye omgwtflolbbqbye
    11/10/09

    In reply to Is Clint Eastwood's 2004 Tsunami Picture Too Soon?
    What?

    The description doesn't really sound at all like it's actually about the tsunami, only that it's part of one of the character's backstories.

    As for your wondering whether there will be a sentiment of "too soon..."

    No, probably not. At least to most of the folks that would end up seeing this movie wouldn't have been impacted by it.

    If you want a movie that directly dramatized the aftermath of the tsunami, then you can check out the t.v. mini series "Tsunami: The Aftermath"

    [www.imdb.com]

    It was made only 2 years after the event by the BBC and HBO.

    It actually features a pretty solid ensemble cast and wound up winning some BAFTAS, Emmys, and Golden Globes... #clinteastwood
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    Image of rek rek
    11/10/09

    In reply to Is Clint Eastwood's 2004 Tsunami Picture Too Soon?
      #clinteastwood
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    Image of burlybax burlybax
    11/10/09

    In reply to Is Clint Eastwood's 2004 Tsunami Picture Too Soon?
    Yes it is always too soon for anything Shyamalan-esque.. #clinteastwood
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    omgwtflolbbqbye promoted this comment burlybax was starred burlybax was unstarred
    Image of blackoak blackoak
    11/10/09

    In reply to Is Clint Eastwood's 2004 Tsunami Picture Too Soon?
    While it isn't the same (at all) there are other tsunami-based movies out there - #clinteastwood
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    Meredith Woerner promoted this comment blackoak was starred blackoak was unstarred
    Image of 0kami 0kami
    11/10/09

    In reply to Is Clint Eastwood's 2004 Tsunami Picture Too Soon?
    This sounds disturbingly like the screenplay I just turned in for my screenwriting class, take out the tsunami and re-gender a few characters. I wonder if my teacher has connections to Eastwood? Or what was that comic talked about on this site where people have a machine that steal ideas out of artist's heads? #clinteastwood
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    Image of bililoquy bililoquy
    11/10/09

    In reply to Is Clint Eastwood's 2004 Tsunami Picture Too Soon?
    Too soon? No. But, um, it seems a bit crass to focus on Westerners in a film about a Southeast Asian disaster.

    That said, wow, what a director-writer match. Morgan means I'll give it more benefit of a doubt than I would otherwise. #clinteastwood
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    Meredith Woerner promoted this comment bililoquy was starred bililoquy was unstarred
    Image of Srynerson Srynerson
    11/10/09

    @bililoquy: I agree that, based on this very limited description of the film, any offensiveness here seems more likely to come from focusing on a Western character. (It has more than a passing whiff of editing Raymond Burr into Godzilla for audience identification purposes.) #clinteastwood
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    Meredith Woerner promoted this comment Srynerson was starred Srynerson was unstarred
    Image of tetracycloide tetracycloide
    11/10/09

    @bililoquy: it's one thing to say that it's crass to focus on westerners in a film about a southeast asian disaster and quite another to actually translate that into reality. was blood diamond crass because it focused primarily on westerners in a film about Sierra Leone? i would argue that no, it was not. the presence of westerners in a film targeted at western audiences makes it more approachable to said audiences and still leaves plenty of room for said western characters to have meaningful interactions with non-western characters. which isn't to say that it won't be crass nearly as much as it is to say it doesn't have to be.

    i'm not entirely sure this debate is even relevant to this film. based on the description that's posted the tsunami itself is a significant event not in the film but in the history of only one of the films characters. #clinteastwood
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    Image of bililoquy bililoquy
    11/10/09

    @tetracycloide: Sure, I agree that it doesn't have to be crass. And the more (and more closely) I read, the less it looks like a film about the tsunami, which is encouraging insofar as it seems like less of an appropriation. Still, they'll need to tread carefully.

    On a separate note, I'm always wary about the audiences-identify-with-like thing. Those assumptions have a way of morphing into unspoken and unquestioned rules that end up putting white faces on the covers of books about brown people. One of the principal beauties of movies/fiction/etc is their capacity to foster empathy, and I'm always discouraged when some executive or other makes a stupid casting or marketing decision in doubt over that capacity. #clinteastwood
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    Image of queensowntalia queensowntalia
    11/10/09

    In reply to Is Clint Eastwood's 2004 Tsunami Picture Too Soon?
    As long as it is handled tastefully, I don't see why not. Both United 93 and World Trade Center came out in 2006 - roughly 5 years after the event.

    Granted the hurricane was tragedy on a vastly different scale, but still 9/11 had a pretty big impact on U.S. citizens, and those two movies seemed to go over relatively well. #clinteastwood
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    Meredith Woerner promoted this comment queensowntalia was starred queensowntalia was unstarred
    Image of tetracycloide tetracycloide
    11/10/09

    In reply to Is Clint Eastwood's 2004 Tsunami Picture Too Soon?
    as someone that personally survived the event (i was literally on the beach when it happened) i'm ok with it. however, my experience, even among tourists, is likely considerably outside the norm. still, the film sounds like a character driven story anyway, which makes sense because it's a clint eastwood film afterall. it's not like it's 2012, a retrospective.
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    Edited by tetracycloide at 11/10/09 11:27 AM tetracycloide was starred tetracycloide was unstarred
    Image of luxarific luxarific
    11/10/09

    @tetracycloide: ok, well now we're all curious (at least I am). Glad you made it, but I'd love to know how! #clinteastwood
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    Image of Dresan Dresan
    11/10/09

    @tetracycloide: Where were you? Thailand? #clinteastwood
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    Image of tetracycloide tetracycloide
    11/10/09

    @luxarific: & @dresan: here: [maps.google.com]

    given our location the waves were sudden but survivable. all the boats were out of commission so we had to wait a few hours for a larger vessel to come ferry us off the island. it was psychologically traumatic, mostly due to the hours of waiting with little word from the mainland, but other than that not to bad. i cannot even begin to imagine what the experience of watching what amounts to your life savings and means of employment shattered against the trees which i'm sure many of the boat pilots on the island went through, much less loosing someone to the wave (everyone on poda lived as far as i know.) #clinteastwood
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    Image of luxarific luxarific
    11/12/09

    @tetracycloide: Thanks for the description. It must have been horrible. I know I've only ever seen one or two videos of that terrible day. It's the clips of people walking out in wonderment toward the receeding ocean that get me the worst. :( #clinteastwood
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    Image of Wookie1972 Wookie1972
    11/10/09

    In reply to Is Clint Eastwood's 2004 Tsunami Picture Too Soon?
    Knowing Eastwood, whose work is nothing if not tasteful, I would assume that he would forgo a lot of special effects in favour of drama. I wouldn't expect disaster porn a la Herr Emmerich.

    I actually found it a little distasteful the way (SPOILER ALERT FOR A NEARLY YEAR OLD MOVIE)

    The Curious Case Of Benjamin Button exploited Katrina to give the ending more "poignancy." #clinteastwood
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    Image of Nathematics Nathematics
    11/10/09

    @Wookie1972: Was just going to say that but did a ctrl+F+"button"

    That storm garbage was a highly irrelevant and frankly offensive (in its exploitative nature) addition to an already bloated, convoluted plot and a poor excuse for storytelling. #clinteastwood
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    Wookie1972 promoted this comment Nathematics was starred Nathematics was unstarred
    Image of Wookie1972 Wookie1972
    11/12/09

    @Nathematics: Yeah, it was like the storm happened because Cate Blanchett's character died. #clinteastwood
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    Image of ThisDudeRufus ThisDudeRufus
    11/10/09

    In reply to Is Clint Eastwood's 2004 Tsunami Picture Too Soon?
    I'd usually say that it's too soon, but think of it this way. A lot of people I know hardly even remember the tsunami. A movie would remind people, maybe even educate them about it. I mean, I wouldn't know much about the Holocaust if I weren't spurred to learn more from Schindler's List. Whatever works. #clinteastwood
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    Image of AldoraGreel AldoraGreel
    11/10/09

    In reply to Is Clint Eastwood's 2004 Tsunami Picture Too Soon?
    I've always felt the best way to work past/through such awful things is to openly talk about them, not brush them under the carpets of history like dirt you don't want people to see when they walk into your home.

    Bad things happen every day. Denying that they occur is not the way to address them, but instead to talk openly and freely about what caused them and how to avoid such atrocities in the future. Open debate is a much more powerful tool than pretending something never occurred in the first place. #clinteastwood
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    Image of JLStewart1778 JLStewart1778
    11/10/09

    In reply to Is Clint Eastwood's 2004 Tsunami Picture Too Soon?
    How long is long enough though? #clinteastwood
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    Meredith Woerner promoted this comment JLStewart1778 was starred JLStewart1778 was unstarred
    Image of Meredith Woerner Meredith Woerner
    11/10/09

    @JLStewart1778: that's a good question. Would love to read everyone's take on that. #clinteastwood
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    Image of psychiccheese psychiccheese
    11/10/09

    @Meredith Woerner: Personally, I feel that if it's not being distasteful, and it respects the original tragedy, it shouldn't need a "cooling off" period. People will know what it's about by the time it comes out, and it's their own choice whether or not to see it.
    If it's distasteful or disrespectful, I'd say at least 1000 years, if not more. #clinteastwood
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    Image of goldfarb goldfarb
    11/10/09

    @Meredith Woerner: I think if a project like this is good enough (read that as you will) then 'soon enough' is as early as the next day.
    this issue begs the question "To what extent are people obligated to be respectful?" and what do we mean by 'respectful'?and how is that justified? why is it wrong (or is it) to make a teen romp movie set during the morning of sept 11/01?
    obviously there are people who will say that things like these are wrong or 'too soon' etc, but they should have reasons beyond simple emotion...
    good/tough question... #clinteastwood
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    Image of tetracycloide tetracycloide
    11/10/09

    @psychiccheese: it would not suprise me if there were spartans alive today that felt 300 was in poor taste. it's really a matter of personal perspective and frankly it's not the job of the artist to guage what is and is not respectful in their art, the onus is on the consumer to police what media they do or do not consume. if someone finds themselves offended by something it's their job to avoid it. they should expect no one else, the artist least of all, to shield them from it.
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    Edited by tetracycloide at 11/10/09 12:07 PM tetracycloide was starred tetracycloide was unstarred
    Image of psychiccheese psychiccheese
    11/10/09

    @tetracycloide: Well, 300 is different than the 9/11 movies, or this tsunami movie. These movies show the lives of fictional characters, and put them in real situations, whereas 300 took the real situation, and fictionalized it before adding the characters.

    But really, I completely agree with you, in that it shouldn't depend on the artist, and it's up to each individual to decide to watch it, no matter how fictionalized it's been made. #clinteastwood
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    Image of tetracycloide tetracycloide
    11/10/09

    @psychiccheese: i wonder if they'll make a film depicting shirtless fireman fighting a losing battle against a massive building fire and piles of unstable rubble in slow motion, rapid cut sequences in 1500 years... #clinteastwood
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    Image of Purple Dave Purple Dave
    06/13/09

    In reply to Moonage Daydreamer: The Greatest Lunar Scenes
    What? No Amazon Women on the Moon?
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    Image of KhaiJB KhaiJB
    06/12/09

    In reply to Moonage Daydreamer: The Greatest Lunar Scenes


    I'll take this over season 2 of Space 1999 anyday...

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