The news of Khan maybe in the 2nd new Trek makes me want to vomit.Whatever happened to Trek having no remakes/alternate remakes and to the Trek that made social comments.
Except in the alternate universe, Khan was already rescued and owns a salon in Queens called "Botany Bay Hair Stylings."
"Yeah, I thought maybe I'd like to be a dictator again but I got into counseling and realized I was very angry, ya know?" said the former leader of millions.
"Then I told Joachim my feelings for him and we opened this store. It's just lucky we're still not out there in space. Who knows what could have happened?"
@Plague: I kind of had a "Wow" moment when Tyler's girlfriend was standing there in her skivvies, followed by a "That's awesome! Those human skin disguises are flawless!" Then I blacked out.
Not good news on V. You can't keep up that kind of pace. The best shows build up to something big, then take a step back to let you catch your breath. Trying to be all excitement all the time lessens the impact and doesn't give the audience time to assimilate and appreciate big events.
@Dr Emilio Lizardo: On the other hand, it does allow you to plow through plot holes without giving the viewers much chance to say WTF (watch any season of 24 for plentiful examples of this).
"And co-writer Roberto Orci says that even if Khan is in the sequel, chances are it'll be a character they created, who they then decide to turn into Khan:"
So, they are creating a Darth Vader II. Makes sense, Abrams secretly did not want to make Star Trek. He wanted to make Star Wars. Why else were there be so many Star Wars nods in a Star Trek film. I mean, a R2-D2 cameo? Really, Abrams?
I am going to miss Supernatural immensely when it's done, but I don't think Dean will let Michael in unless they can't find God, which I think they will.
Whatever ends up happening will be awesome. and I do want to see what it looks like when Michael enters a room because Raphael's entrance was frickin' sweet.
I think they should misspell the Star Trek 2's Khan as Khaanne since it's going to be nothing like the original anyway, per usual. As long as he's frakking over characterization, why doesn't JJ be honest and do away with proper name spellings as well? Khirkhe, Yuhoora, Zschgotty, Sppokh...why do these sound like Futurama spoof names?
Those Dollhouse caps kick ass. I loves that show! ((((squishes)))))
As said in the previous thread: don't even bother with Khan, JJ. You blew up the damn Star Trek Universe so why not do something different? That was the whole damn point, wasn't it?
Right? Right?
@ManchuCandidate: I'm with you on that one. I am not a Star Trek fan by any means, but to do another Kahn film would be ridiculous as there is no point in doing what is essentially a do over of a very respected film. The new Star Trek was awesome and JJ needs to build his own universe without rehashing old stories.
@Makidian: Well, if Khan shows up they wouldn't be redoing Star Trek 2, they'd be redoing the original series episode "Space Seed" in which they first find Khan and he ends up on Ceti Alpha 5.
@ManchuCandidate: I have to agree. There is so much else they could touch on from the Star Trek universe and so much room to create something from scratch, let's see something else.
@matthewabel: And I didn't know that because I am not a Star Trek fan which is kind of strange since I love scifi so much. I just never got into it, I liked TNG but I was never really exposed to the original series, and the only episode I recall watching all the way through was the Trouble with Tribbles episode.
@ManchuCandidate: Then Abraham Lincoln and Apollo team up with Kirk to travel back in time to fall in love with a suffragette then allow her to be run over by a rice picker, then...
Well, Khan *is* there floating in space somewhere, in the Botany Bay.
There are 3 choices, then, for Abrams: 1) ignore it, ie, Khan is never found; 2) he's found, but the story goes differently than what we already know from old episode and movie; 3) he's found, and Abrams rehashes the old story, with only minor changes.
All 3 options are likely to upset die-hard fans. Not that that's all-important, but it is a consideration for the franchise.
Personally, I'd hate choice 3, and could live with 2 if it's done right, with a strong story. To be on the safe side and not be totally disappointed, I'd be ok with 1.
But Khan is too much of a temptation, too much of a good thing, not to go for, and they know it, so I doubt that 1 is what Abrams is going to go with.
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Makidan,
sorry to pop your bubble, but the phrase "I am not a star trek fan" used not only in this thread, but on a SF blog is a desperate cry for help. It's Denial with a capital D. trust me, I used to deny it myself...you can't be free until you embrace your inner Trekkie! be FREE!
@ManchuCandidate: Big ditto. As I often say, there are plenty of stories in the original cannon JJ can cannibalize if he's desperate for material.
Maybe they should take some ideas from the episode the Menagerie, just so we can include Pike in some capacity and laugh at him as he rolls around in his wheelchair, beeping.
@atrus123: The problem here is that, at this point, the FANS wants Khan, not the writers. Why do you think the writers only talks about him? Because that's all they're asked about.
And now, they are in a no win situation. No Khan - upset fans. New Khan - upset fans. It's Venom all over again. sigh...
@mazigazi: lol, maybe but I don't know the show(s) well enough to call myself a fan. I definitely liked the new movie but I find it hard to watch the original series, or any older scifi series because I am a glutton for shiny CG and the grainy nature makes my eyes hurt. I desperately want to get into old Dr. Who but it's just so hard to watch. As they come out remastered in HD I will definitely start to catch up but until then I will be in the dark wishing I was a part of the Star Trek group.
I don't watch CGI sci-fi cartoons to watch the main characters work out their feelings or develop relationships. No, I watch CGI sci-fi cartoons to see big battles and explosions. That's what The Clone Wars is giving us this season. Last season was all talk and I almost didn't watch this season. Ask any Cartoon Network addict below the age of 10 what they thought of episode 4 "Senate Spy" and they won't even remember watching it. Ask them about the Super Tanks in the last episode and they will give you an ear full.
Hooray for violence! #starwarstheclonewars
What struck me about this is how tenuous the relationship between Anakin and Ahsoka has gotten. In the first Ryloth episode, Anakin basically turns the reins of a major operation over to her without hardly any direction, basically saying "I trust you" with a nod and a wink and goes off expecting her to save him after he kamikazes that cruiser. In THIS episode, he won't even let her finish a briefing, and then they stand around yelling at each other a LOT. (It's an inconsistency, but I have to think that it's intentional and not just writers forgetting what they wrote before.) Contrast that to Luminara and Barriss; it's really kind of fascinating.
I love the character of Ahsoka. I think they've come up with a rather awesome warrior (it's like, what happens when a natural predator evolves into a skilled combatant with supernatural powers? This.) and the writers and animators have put some real flourish into her; watch how she fights, it's all creeping and lunging and pouncing. I almost expect to see her with fangs. But I also know that she doesn't make it into ROTS, and more than anything, that's the big question of Clone Wars. Not how Anakin progresses, but what happens to her. #starwarstheclonewars
The better Clone Wars gets, the more annoyed I am at the lameness of the prequels. On the other hand, it's a little disturbing to think that all these plucky apprentices either a) get murdered by Anakin, or b) get fragged by their own troops. #starwarstheclonewars
@cletar: See, this is why Clone Wars really bothers me, as does much of the prequel era stuff Lucasfilms and Co. are churning out.
I cannot, simply cannot root for Anakin Skywalker the way they want me to, knowing full well he will become a traitor, child murderer and the Galaxy's Greatest Monster. And it's cheap and sleazy of them to ask for that in a kid's show. Makes me feel gross. #starwarstheclonewars
@cletar: That scene in AOTC where the Jedi come in to save Anakin/Padme/Obi-Wan from the arena on Geonosis was extremely uncomfortable to watch. That was supposed to be the Jedi at their best... and it was the Jedi their worst.
But, I have to say, Qui-Gon was probably the best thing about the prequels, and he only lasted one movie. It's a shame he couldn't have been a bigger part of the series.
Guss Lucas just wanted to have an old Jedi die like in ANH.
@cylon_conspiracy: It's too bad that Qui-Gon's dying wish was for Obi-Wan to train the future big bad.
However, it was cool that he gets mentioned in the end, apparently teaching Obi-Wan how to become a ghost. That has to be worth something. #starwarstheclonewars
@octaslash: Yeah it was nice to see them wrap it up, and for him to yell "Anakin" when he's about to go off on the Tuskan village.
The coolest part of the prequels was just seeing how Star Wars univers looked a few decades before Luke Skywalker, that in itself made the prequels worth it.
But the actual acting and the story, just didn't pull it off. I think all three of them have scenes that I really like, some pretty cool characters and action sequences, but they just don't work as individual movies all that well. Which sucks because I was a prequel apologist, but I have to get honest now and say, no, they weren't good FILMS... even though they all looked good, sounded good, and had good sequences here and there.
And now the clone wars is out, I'm just tired of that era. I want to see the OT stuff get the focus again.
The best Star Wars out today, is the Legacy comic book... and that's way the hell after ROTJ.
"I mean, I get that we're not really supposed to think about the fact that the hero of the show turns into a child-murdering galactic dictator too much..." I always got the exact opposite from the episodes of this series that I've seen. That Anakin is going to become a child killing enforcer for a galactic dictator is always supposed to be at the back of the audience's mind. Anakin's story arc is modeled on Greek Tragedy. We know he's on his way to becoming Vader, the entertainment value comes from the constant "No! Anakin don't don't do that!" I also think one of themes running through the Star Wars prequels is that organizations like the Jedi bring about their own destruction when they become lazy, complacent, and overly self-assured. The older, more experienced Jedi either miss or ignore Anakin's wrong headed actions because they get positive results.
Agree, but I think they've always been weary of him any way but they're far more weary of fighting the war at all. They were meant to be space police, not full on soldiers.
I think when their roles changed and they went more warrior then monk something had to have snapped in them all. #starwarstheclonewars
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"Yeah, I thought maybe I'd like to be a dictator again but I got into counseling and realized I was very angry, ya know?" said the former leader of millions.
"Then I told Joachim my feelings for him and we opened this store. It's just lucky we're still not out there in space. Who knows what could have happened?"
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There already is. But it's usually followed by "That's really stupid" as well.
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Okay, I'll give you that one.
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I don't know.....The Black Cat?
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So, they are creating a Darth Vader II. Makes sense, Abrams secretly did not want to make Star Trek. He wanted to make Star Wars. Why else were there be so many Star Wars nods in a Star Trek film. I mean, a R2-D2 cameo? Really, Abrams?
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Whatever ends up happening will be awesome. and I do want to see what it looks like when Michael enters a room because Raphael's entrance was frickin' sweet.
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Those Dollhouse caps kick ass. I loves that show! ((((squishes)))))
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@atrus123: Spork? Hahahaha
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Right? Right?
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But, still, I get your point.
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Well, Khan *is* there floating in space somewhere, in the Botany Bay.
There are 3 choices, then, for Abrams: 1) ignore it, ie, Khan is never found; 2) he's found, but the story goes differently than what we already know from old episode and movie; 3) he's found, and Abrams rehashes the old story, with only minor changes.
All 3 options are likely to upset die-hard fans. Not that that's all-important, but it is a consideration for the franchise.
Personally, I'd hate choice 3, and could live with 2 if it's done right, with a strong story. To be on the safe side and not be totally disappointed, I'd be ok with 1.
But Khan is too much of a temptation, too much of a good thing, not to go for, and they know it, so I doubt that 1 is what Abrams is going to go with.
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Makidan,
sorry to pop your bubble, but the phrase "I am not a star trek fan" used not only in this thread, but on a SF blog is a desperate cry for help. It's Denial with a capital D. trust me, I used to deny it myself...you can't be free until you embrace your inner Trekkie! be FREE!
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Maybe they should take some ideas from the episode the Menagerie, just so we can include Pike in some capacity and laugh at him as he rolls around in his wheelchair, beeping.
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I know, crazy talk.
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And now, they are in a no win situation. No Khan - upset fans. New Khan - upset fans. It's Venom all over again. sigh...
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Hooray for violence! #starwarstheclonewars
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I love the character of Ahsoka. I think they've come up with a rather awesome warrior (it's like, what happens when a natural predator evolves into a skilled combatant with supernatural powers? This.) and the writers and animators have put some real flourish into her; watch how she fights, it's all creeping and lunging and pouncing. I almost expect to see her with fangs. But I also know that she doesn't make it into ROTS, and more than anything, that's the big question of Clone Wars. Not how Anakin progresses, but what happens to her. #starwarstheclonewars
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I cannot, simply cannot root for Anakin Skywalker the way they want me to, knowing full well he will become a traitor, child murderer and the Galaxy's Greatest Monster. And it's cheap and sleazy of them to ask for that in a kid's show. Makes me feel gross. #starwarstheclonewars
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But, I have to say, Qui-Gon was probably the best thing about the prequels, and he only lasted one movie. It's a shame he couldn't have been a bigger part of the series.
Guss Lucas just wanted to have an old Jedi die like in ANH.
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However, it was cool that he gets mentioned in the end, apparently teaching Obi-Wan how to become a ghost. That has to be worth something. #starwarstheclonewars
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The coolest part of the prequels was just seeing how Star Wars univers looked a few decades before Luke Skywalker, that in itself made the prequels worth it.
But the actual acting and the story, just didn't pull it off. I think all three of them have scenes that I really like, some pretty cool characters and action sequences, but they just don't work as individual movies all that well. Which sucks because I was a prequel apologist, but I have to get honest now and say, no, they weren't good FILMS... even though they all looked good, sounded good, and had good sequences here and there.
And now the clone wars is out, I'm just tired of that era. I want to see the OT stuff get the focus again.
The best Star Wars out today, is the Legacy comic book... and that's way the hell after ROTJ.
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Agree, but I think they've always been weary of him any way but they're far more weary of fighting the war at all. They were meant to be space police, not full on soldiers.
I think when their roles changed and they went more warrior then monk something had to have snapped in them all. #starwarstheclonewars
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