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Image of twDarkflame twDarkflame 01/14/10

In reply to Get Your Terry Gilliam Fix From "Franklyn"
Saw it last year.
Started well, nice ideas, but in the end just too many things didn't come together and it feels like a lot was put in just randomly.
Its not smart, its not clever, its not psychophysical...showing a character in a few scenes and then having then vanish is just -random-. (the janitor)

Best bit of the movie was the idea that people would worship anyone/anything.
That was fun,
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Image of gigshaft gigshaft 01/13/10

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I don't want to be peddling internet h8rade, but I didn't think "Franklyn" was all that good. It felt like the filmmaker hadn't quite hammered out his thoughts and got lost pondering some on half-formed "deep" ideas without really saying much.

And be warned: The trailer bills it as an exciting action thriller. It's not. Some honestly cool visuals, yes, but a lot of scenes of people walking confused around modern day London.

So... Not enough sound and fury, and what ends up on the screen still doesn't signify much more than the Shakespearean "nothing."

Well, in my humble opinion, anyway.
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Image of TheZug TheZug 01/13/10

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This looks interesting, but I had to investigate further to learn that Gilliam had nothing to do with this. The way you wrote the article leads you to suspect he did. Reply
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Image of Charlie Jane Anders Charlie Jane Anders 01/13/10

@TheZug: Oh sorry... I thought it was made clear early on that this film was Gilliam-esque, at least in the fantasy sequences, rather than Gilliam's own work. I will make it clearer. Reply

Image of TheZug TheZug 01/26/10

@Charlie Jane Anders: Thanks for this article, though. I had seen something about it long ago and then forgotten. Watched in on Netflix, and it was decent enough. Reply

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Image of CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard) CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard) 01/13/10

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I completly forgot this fell off the radar. I'll try and get it watched soon. The clip actually makes me want to watch it more.

The narrative sounds really good, ive always enjoyed that (main character talks you through the film) direction. Things like Sin City with Marv or Rorschach from Watchmen. Also, being a fan of Gilliam its hard not to get pulled into the lush world of this film. Judging by the few minutes alone.....it looks well put together and vibrant. Brazil AND Time Bandits did that to me too.

I'll certanly give it a go. I'll be supprised if I dont enjoy it.
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Image of Jim Stryker Jim Stryker 01/12/10

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I thought it was a good film, but Preest felt a little too much like Rorschach from Watchmen. I would have liked to see something a little more original. Reply
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@Jim Stryker: Wasn't the cliched outsider hero trope a deliberate choice on the part of the film-makers? The very fact that it's been doneso often in recent films (like Watchmen) was kind of the point, I thought. He's not original because of his nature. Reply

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Image of Tomb: R.O.A.C.H. Tomb: R.O.A.C.H. 01/12/10

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Franklyn, Tideland and Ink are three movies that should be watched after each other. Reply

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Image of Lassus Lassus 01/12/10

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Whoa. I remember the hubbub about this film before it came out; but, like many, it seems that was it. I hadn't even realized it fell off the planet. Reply
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Image of Smeagol92055 Smeagol92055 01/12/10

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I'm torn, Charlie Jane. On the one hand, the trailer made this look interesting.

On the other hand, after watching that clip, I just feel embarrassed for Ryan Phillippe.
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@Smeagol92055: Aasimo: I think he's a good choice for the film, precisely because his character seems so obvious a role for a young American actor to choose - the disaffected moody hero. The film plays on that quite well.

Stay for the visuals and maybe stay for the story - I understand it won't be to everyone's taste, but I thought it was great.
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Image of KaneGebius KaneGebius 01/12/10

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I loved this movie, it's not perfect true, but Charlie is bang on about the dystopian landscapes. The seventh day manicurists, the people worshipping the washing machine instructions, the clerics, I could have stayed in that world for the whole film. Reply

Image of BigGreenMonster BigGreenMonster 01/12/10

@KaneGebius: I wish we had, because it was far more interesting thn the other stuff going on... Reply
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Image of Charlie Jane Anders Charlie Jane Anders 01/13/10

@BigGreenMonster: I liked bits and bobs of the other stuff... the suicidal artist was interesting for a bit, although I got bored with her when she started dancing around for way too long. The dad looking for his son was heartbreaking when we already knew where that was going. The "imaginary friend" subplot was sort of cute, I thought. Reply

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Image of evildead1971 evildead1971 01/12/10

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do not waste your time with this movie Reply

Image of proxemics proxemics 01/13/10

@evildead1971: yeah, its really kind of bad. good try though, id watch his next film Reply
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Image of JaiMak JaiMak 01/13/10

@evildead1971: ya seriously aimless and boring. Reply
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Image of goldfarb goldfarb 02/19/09

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Blade Runner-esque?

what do we mean by that?


eager to see the film! Reply


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Image of beercheck beercheck 02/19/09

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They had me at Eva Green. Reply

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Image of WiseGuy487 WiseGuy487 02/19/09

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Saw the trailer, and it looks like an interesting concept. Love the whole parallel universe thing mixed with the whole victorian-type setting.


Although the whole atheist vs. religious authority is completely unnecessary. Seriously, they could have gone with any other other concept, and yet they choose this one. Sure, it worked in "V for Vendetta", and I didn't mind that, because it wasn't as blatant. But they make it a little more obvious from the statement above. Why?


It just bothers me.


p.s.-- And please don't just dismiss my comment because of the statement I made. I hate it when people get shut down just for defending and stating their beliefs. Although, many of them get shut down just because they're complete morons who like to start argmuents with other people.


But I'm not one of those people; I'm just stating my opinion, that's all. I don't want to start a fight. I try to avoid conflict as much as possible. Reply


Image of Chris Braak Chris Braak 02/19/09

@WiseGuy487: Well, okay. If they could have chosen any concept, why not this one? Is it not a valid and pertinent issue to discuss? Is there another issue that should have framed the movie that would be more pertinent or more valid? Reply

Image of tetracycloide tetracycloide 02/19/09

@braak: obviously not this one because it's a perversion of reality. it is the religious who are being constantly persecuted by the atheists when they're forced to teach actual science in schools, practice actual medicine in hospitals, dispense legally proscribed medicine in pharmacies, and recognize committed gay relationships as being more than just 'good friends.' Reply

Image of Smeagol92055 Smeagol92055 02/19/09

@tetracycloide: Oh, ha, thanks for lumping all of us together. Not all established faiths are like that. Say what the fuck you mean and don't beat around the bush; those of us in here who actually believe in something take offense when you make general statements like that. Reply

Image of tetracycloide tetracycloide 02/19/09

@Smeagol92055: of course not all established faiths are like that. the leaders of some established faiths would have to belive they are all like that because it strengthens their case. the problem isn't that all religious people are like that, because they are not, or that some religious people are like that, because there's not that many of them. the problem is that the people that aren't let the people that are speak for them far to often. Reply

Image of Smeagol92055 Smeagol92055 02/19/09

@tetracycloide: Again, you make sweeping generalizations without anything to back your statements up. You obviously only know what you've been told and what you see on TV and in the news.
I'm willing to venture that you're not a practicing member of any faith, or if you were, you're not anymore.
In any case, you obviously don't know that churches and faiths are peopled with individuals and not just sheep that attack any opponent to their belief system. Sure, there are thousands of churches just like that all over the world, where anyone who questions the teachings of the institution is shunned by the other members who don't know enough of their own faith's doctrines to form their own opinions, but there are also vast numbers of informed people out there within the various systems of faith that take stands and stick up for themselves; of course they wouldn't be widely known about, since at that point they either leave their group in search of other informed members of their faiths, or they become leaders in their own right of their own groups.


To say "there's not many of them" is uninformed and ignorant; even if you somehow could back that statement up with any sort of statistic, it would still be wrong, because most people aren't as stupid as they let on to be, but fear of going against the crowd does amazing things to a person's psyche.


Your hypothesis is flawed and your statements are inflammatory; if you can't say something without making broad, sweeping generalizations and presuming to speak for other people (which is just pompous) then it's best if you just shut your mouth altogether. Reply


Image of tetracycloide tetracycloide 02/19/09

@Smeagol92055: you've mixed up which group i was referring to when i said 'there's not many of them' by all accounts the live and let live crowd like yourself is the majority. i also freely acknowledge that they are the majority and point out, exactly as you do, that they are often overlooked because their more obnoxious brethren, if they can even so be called, are far more vocal and receive far more coverage in the popular press. Reply

Image of tetracycloide tetracycloide 02/19/09

@Smeagol92055: i believe you're too easily conflating my mocking the message of the conservative, religious, political movement in the west with mocking all religions in general. perhaps i was not as clear as i could have been but this was not my intent.


i was born and raised conservative christian by conservative christians that included the portion of the bible which dictates that christian moral values only apply to other christians. that non-believers should not be expected to live up to or judge for not following the christian faith. that doing so was counter productive to the true meaning of christianity, to be christ like.


while i am not current a believer or practice of any religion i am not without an background in this subject. it is, in fact, my background that so readily leads me to mock so called 'conservative christians' moral/political agendas when it is so obvious to anyone who studied christ that institutionalizing christian moral values was not his way. Reply


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Image of jajbowler jajbowler 02/19/09

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Ah, an athiest named "Preest?" I get jokes. Reply

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Image of Chris Braak Chris Braak 02/19/09

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Yeah, all right. I can dig this. Reply

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Image of Belabras Belabras 02/19/09

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Ok, the gang of Abraham Lincoln impersonators is surprisingly creepy. Reply

Image of jajbowler jajbowler 02/19/09

@Belabras: I feel like they are about to dance. Reply

Image of tetracycloide tetracycloide 02/19/09

@jajbowler: *snap, snap, snap, snap
"when you're a whig, you're a whig all the way
from your first state house seat to your last dyin' day!"
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Image of Meirelle Meirelle 01/12/09

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lol MOAR religious drama. >:D Reply

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Image of Alexis Alexis 01/12/09

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Jeez, there's already a bloated thread for this "yes there's a God no there's not" crap. The movie's not even out to justify these self important philosophical rants. It looks like another case of a trailer on io9 being an excuse for people to spout off half educated opinions.


I like a good debate as much as the next girl, but you guys are jumping the gun here. Reply


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Image of hopskipper hopskipper 01/12/09

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Trench coats are cool apparently. Don't vigilantes in stylish dystopian futures/alternate worlds follow Edna Mode's rule for NO CAPES? Trench coats are pretty much like capes and seem really impractical for jumping across roofs and hand-to-hand combat. Reply

Image of corpore-metal corpore-metal 01/12/09

@hopskipper: Yeah, gotta agree there. The real world gives lots of examples of this, when the fighting starts, the capes, sashes, scarves and coats come off--give nothing to your enemy or the environment to grab. The professional martial artists seem to have the best compromise baggy sleeves and legs for venting heat and freedom of movement but not too long to cause you trouble. Reply

Image of Chris Braak Chris Braak 01/12/09

@corpore-metal: I once, because I was bored and it was a "thing" on the internet at the time, did a redesign on Batgirl.


I wanted her to have a breakaway cape, precisely to trick thugs into trying to grab it. AHAH! Reply


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Image of bluehinter bluehinter 01/12/09

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Okay, who here is waiting for the knee-jerk cries of outrage and condemnation from the ultra religious, who'll view this movie as just another pile of athiest propaganda endorsing the vilification and assasination of poor oppressed theists???


Actually, that implies the film makes it out in the US at all, and somebody explains the plot to them... since all I'm getting from that trailer is "confusing dystopian future where everybody dresses like that one guy from 'Starman.'" Reply


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