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    Image of cylon_conspiracy cylon_conspiracy
    11/24/09

    In reply to Photographer Documents Melting Icecaps, Celebrates Our Cyborg Evolution
    I take it this io9's response to the CRU email leaks. I was wondering if/when you'd acknowledge the story. Now I have my answer. "Deafening Silence."

    Not even a story about how the internet had a major part in one of the biggest scientific scandals of all time.

    Oh well, I like reading about the planets that might have life and the space-porn and stuff.
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    Edited by cylon_conspiracy at 11/24/09 11:17 AM cylon_conspiracy was starred cylon_conspiracy was unstarred
    Image of Mecharine Mecharine
    11/24/09

    @cylon_conspiracy: So, scientists who speak casually with each other is now a scandal?

    Tell me, what exactly did you find distressing about the emails you read?
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    Image of Voyou_Charmant Voyou_Charmant
    11/24/09

    What happened here? I broke the comments.
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    Edited by Voyou_Charmant at 11/24/09 11:50 AM Voyou_Charmant was starred Voyou_Charmant was unstarred
    Image of Voyou_Charmant Voyou_Charmant
    11/24/09

    @cylon_conspiracy: Calm down. It's a bunch of out of context horseshit from a bunch of flat-earthers
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    Image of cylon_conspiracy cylon_conspiracy
    11/24/09

    @Voyou_Charmant: right.... don't pay attention to the science world falling apart around you... just call me a flat-earther instead. Let me know how that works out for ya.

    Politics+Science=great combination.
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    Edited by cylon_conspiracy at 11/24/09 12:31 PM cylon_conspiracy was starred cylon_conspiracy was unstarred
    Image of cylon_conspiracy cylon_conspiracy
    11/24/09

    @Mecharine: Ha ha, no of course not. Why, if it were just scientists talking to each other, to call that a scandal would be quite absurd! Indeed, good sir! I would be quite the simpleton if I got offended at such an innocuous thing, would I not?

    No, I was more talking about the faking of "evidence", lying, trying to destroy documents, that stuff.

    But hey, I realize I'm in the minority here and that the ends justify the means to some of you kind folks.
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    Edited by cylon_conspiracy at 11/24/09 12:33 PM cylon_conspiracy was starred cylon_conspiracy was unstarred
    Image of allinthefamily allinthefamily
    11/24/09

    @cylon_conspiracy: Pretty sure the "science world" (otherwise known as the real world where people use proven techniques to increase our understanding of, well, everything) will still be around when this scandal blows over. Which, by the way, I predict will be sometime this week.

    People who didn't care before still don't, people who don't know what they are talking about still don't and people who have made up their mind haven't changed it. Scientists are people, and send emails they might regret.

    Nothing has changed=no scandal
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    cylon_conspiracy promoted this comment allinthefamily was starred allinthefamily was unstarred
    Image of cylon_conspiracy cylon_conspiracy
    11/24/09

    @allinthefamily: Oh sure the "science world" will still be around, I sure hope so. The man-made global warming scientists might not be though.

    But they can get back in the game if and when they find real evidence.

    No scandal? Ok. If you say so. :)
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    Image of 1Grand_Marquis 1Grand_Marquis
    11/24/09

    @cylon_conspiracy: "The man-made global warming scientists" THEY WERE ROBOTS ALL ALONG! :O
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    cylon_conspiracy promoted this comment 1Grand_Marquis was starred 1Grand_Marquis was unstarred
    Image of cylon_conspiracy cylon_conspiracy
    11/24/09

    @1Grand_Marquis: lol, I see what you did there. Good play on words.

    "AGW Scientists".
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    Edited by cylon_conspiracy at 11/24/09 1:10 PM cylon_conspiracy was starred cylon_conspiracy was unstarred
    Image of A_Hat A_Hat
    11/24/09

    @cylon_conspiracy: Just out of curiosity, could you give me a few other examples of the "greatest scientific scandals of all time"? I'm wondering what you're measuring this against.
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    cylon_conspiracy approved this comment A_Hat was starred A_Hat was unstarred
    Image of it must be bunnies it must be bunnies
    11/24/09

    @cylon_conspiracy: So Michael Crichton was right! In his 2004 book State of Fear the premise was that the entire theory of Global Warming was a hoax and conspiracy. He died too soon.
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    Image of cylon_conspiracy cylon_conspiracy
    11/24/09

    @A_Hat: Piltdown Man?
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    cylon_conspiracy was starred cylon_conspiracy was unstarred
    Image of cylon_conspiracy cylon_conspiracy
    11/24/09

    @it must be bunnies: I had heard of the book, but never read it. I might do so now. I wonder if sales for that book are going to go up.
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    Image of Mecharine Mecharine
    11/24/09

    @cylon_conspiracy: You still haven't pointed out what your beef is with those emails.

    Maybe you're just a terrible troll. You could have at least lied and said you actually read the stuff.
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    Image of cylon_conspiracy cylon_conspiracy
    11/24/09

    @Mecharine: The emails are about how the scientists faked their evidence. I've made that point several times.

    You called me a troll, and that means this is our last communique. Take care.
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    Image of Paradice Paradice
    11/24/09

    @cylon_conspiracy: I haven't read the documents myself, but I read an interview with one of the leading climate-change opponents where he was asked which bit he felt was the most revealing. He quoted: "just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (i.e., from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline". He seized specifically on the word "trick" as implying proof of collusion.

    To me, that's the same as Creationists who seize on the word 'Theory' in Theory of Evolution implying there's no evidence to support it, deliberately ignoring the context of the word: to a scientist, a "theory" has a different meaning to that of a layman. To a mathematician, a "trick" also has a different meaning.
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    cylon_conspiracy promoted this comment Edited by Paradice at 11/24/09 11:06 PM Paradice was starred Paradice was unstarred
    Image of cylon_conspiracy cylon_conspiracy
    11/24/09

    @Paradice: Respectfully, Paradice, if you haven't read the documents, and are just going by one article you read by someone who is trying to spin the story... then, maybe you should read up a little more on this story.

    If you want, here is a skeptic site that is all over this story from the beginning.

    [wattsupwiththat.com]
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    cylon_conspiracy was starred cylon_conspiracy was unstarred
    Image of Paradice Paradice
    11/25/09

    @cylon_conspiracy: I'm not interested in reading incomplete releases of documents that were obtained illegally, and as I'm not a climate change scientist myself I doubt they'd be very enlightening to me anyway.

    But, like anything controversial that I lack the personal expertise to form my own opinion on, I will read commentary (from all sides) from people with more knowledge in the field than I, and try to distill the essence of the argument. So I followed your link, and found pretty much the same stuff I'd already read, with the list of key points including:

    * the "tricks" of playing with data to fit the scientists’ assumptions

    I'm certain that is a reference to the exact quote I discussed earlier, and it just reinforces my belief that they're trying to use context and semantics to 'prove' deceit.

    That's unfortunate, because it casts doubt over the other points they raise, some of which sound way more potentially damaging (especially the stuff about deliberately deleting emails to avoid Freedom of Information stuff).

    The other thing I natually question is: why the *partial* release of the stolen emails?' Isn't that pretty much exactly what they're accusing the scientists of doing, excluding data that doesn't agree with their conclusions?
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    Image of Mecharine Mecharine
    11/25/09

    @cylon_conspiracy: They didnt fake any evidence.

    I know a trick for calculating the volume of an irregular spheroid , am I falsifying the volume of a spheroid?

    You have memory tricks to remember things, are you falsifying anything?

    You do not know anything about science, do not talk to an engineer about tricks of the trade.
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    Image of Jes St.Lawrence Jes St.Lawrence
    11/25/09

    @cylon_conspiracy: Wow, an argument from silence fallacy. Just the sort of thing I would expect from someone who's too ignorant to know what's being discussed in those emails.

    Keep on humliating yourself, fool.
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    Jes St.Lawrence was starred Jes St.Lawrence was unstarred
    Image of Jes St.Lawrence Jes St.Lawrence
    11/25/09

    @cylon_conspiracy: But you haven't made any points at all.

    Why am I not surprised?
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    Image of Jes St.Lawrence Jes St.Lawrence
    11/25/09

    @cylon_conspiracy: Again, the denialist's source is a weatherman who works for an Exxon proxy group.

    Check him out at sourcewatch.
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    Jes St.Lawrence was starred Jes St.Lawrence was unstarred
    Image of Jes St.Lawrence Jes St.Lawrence
    11/25/09

    @it must be bunnies: Michael Crichton is just as dumb as the day he died. That idiot couldn't tell weather from climate.
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    Jes St.Lawrence was starred Jes St.Lawrence was unstarred
    Image of twDarkflame twDarkflame
    11/25/09

    @cylon_conspiracy: There was some bodgy stuff in those emails, but not sign of any organised conspiracy.
    If you stole thousands of emails from oil company's, car lobbiests, or well, just about anyone else you'd see the same. (or likely far worse)

    The simple fact is people like clear cut pictures, shades of grey dont get press treatment, or are worse attacked as weakness's. Yet thats what science is all about. Its about the greys.
    The climate IS changing and its probably the mass conversion of all the stored carbon in ground is having an effect.
    But that dosnt make the effects predictable on small scales or in easy ways. Half of those "bad" emails I read were scientists trying to simplify the picture they present, rather then actual bad science of bad peer-reviews.
    If they have anomaly's in their data they dont want to ignore it, they want it explained.

    Dont get me wrong, over simplification is also wrong, but you cant dismiss worldwide scientific concess. To make all the scientists worldwide wrong on this, it would need to be a massive conspiracy with *more* funding then the various oil based industarys.
    And there was no sign of that in those emails.
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    Image of twDarkflame twDarkflame
    11/25/09

    @cylon_conspiracy: "No, I was more talking about the faking of "evidence", lying, trying to destroy documents, that stuff."

    There was no faking of evidence.
    Miss-representing, perhaps.

    Faking evidence would be, like, melting glacers themselfs. Or changing ice core records etc.
    Theres no sign of that.

    Also no lyeing I saw.
    And ereaseing emails is quite understandable under these circumstances.
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    Image of cylon_conspiracy cylon_conspiracy
    11/25/09

    @twDarkflame: whatever gets you through the night. You realize, that disagreeing with me has absolutely no bearing on what's going to happen with this issue in the world at large.

    Lates.
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    Image of Im_your_Huckleberry Im_your_Huckleberry
    11/24/09

    In reply to Photographer Documents Melting Icecaps, Celebrates Our Cyborg Evolution
    "It's an interesting contrast, but maybe not a contradiction: He worries what we're doing to the planet, but he's also celebrated the way we're transforming ourselves."

    Al Gore had the same thought:
    Internet or Inconvenient Truth...what to choose... what to choose?
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    cylon_conspiracy promoted this comment Im_your_Huckleberry was starred Im_your_Huckleberry was unstarred
    Image of dabismail001 dabismail001
    11/24/09

    In reply to Photographer Documents Melting Icecaps, Celebrates Our Cyborg Evolution
    Melting icebergs don't raise sea levels.
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    cylon_conspiracy promoted this comment dabismail001 was starred dabismail001 was unstarred
    Image of Voyou_Charmant Voyou_Charmant
    11/24/09

    @dabismail001: That's right, it's the ice shelves and glaciers.

    So whole the ice melting in your glass will not cause your drink to overflow, dumping more ice in after it melts will.
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    Image of BangarangRufio867 BangarangRufio867
    11/24/09

    In reply to Photographer Documents Melting Icecaps, Celebrates Our Cyborg Evolution
    I'm really confused. How does little Emily go from 1st grade to 2nd grade in less than a year?

    This little Emily does make you think about ice melting. Thanks, Emily!
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    Charlie Jane Anders promoted this comment BangarangRufio867 was starred BangarangRufio867 was unstarred
    Image of Charlie Jane Anders Charlie Jane Anders
    11/24/09

    @BangarangRufio867: In many parts of the world, the school year ends in May or June, and starts up in August or September. It's a farm worker holdover thing.
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    Image of Jes St.Lawrence Jes St.Lawrence
    11/24/09

    In reply to Photographer Documents Melting Icecaps, Celebrates Our Cyborg Evolution
    Just waiting on someone from the Billy Bob School of Thermodynamics and Swine Management to come tell us it's all a hoax.
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    Charlie Jane Anders promoted this comment Jes St.Lawrence was starred Jes St.Lawrence was unstarred
    Image of cylon_conspiracy cylon_conspiracy
    11/24/09

    @Jes St.Lawrence: Good thing you're not a scientist, they're supposed to be open to other points of view on these topics. You may have saved the world simply by not being a player.
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    Image of The_Sporean_Bob The_Sporean_Bob
    11/24/09

    @cylon_conspiracy: Silly Jes, he's not talking about scientists with opposing view points based on actual facts and well-researched arguments, he's talking about the idiots who say its all a hoax due to their politics and nothing more, to the point of claiming the actual observed evidence for climate change is made up as well.
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    Charlie Jane Anders promoted this comment The_Sporean_Bob was starred The_Sporean_Bob was unstarred
    Image of Voyou_Charmant Voyou_Charmant
    11/24/09

    @cylon_conspiracy: No, he's just pointing out that people claiming climate change is a hoax are idiots. Much like people who would claim the earth is flat are idiots.
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    Image of cylon_conspiracy cylon_conspiracy
    11/24/09

    @The_Sporean_Bob: Ah... I see. I just assumed that here climate change and man-made climate change were the same thing. Sorry if I misinterpreted.
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    cylon_conspiracy was starred cylon_conspiracy was unstarred
    Image of LittleDragon LittleDragon
    08/04/09

    In reply to The Cyborg Exoskeletons Of The Future Take To The Streets
    Man. I am so happy my name isn't Dave or Sarah Connor. Now excuse me while I clean the guns.
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    Image of Hamslicer Hamslicer
    08/04/09

    In reply to The Cyborg Exoskeletons Of The Future Take To The Streets
    They should change their name to Yoyodyne...

    ...c'mon people, settin' this one up...
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    Image of Dr Emilio Lizardo Dr Emilio Lizardo
    08/04/09

    @Hamslicer: Sorry, here I am. Desperately wanted to comment on this yesterday!
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    Image of Hamslicer Hamslicer
    08/04/09

    @Dr Emilio Lizardo: I am SO glad you showed up! Now let's all change our first name to John.
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    Image of Bill-Lee Bill-Lee
    08/04/09

    In reply to The Cyborg Exoskeletons Of The Future Take To The Streets
    Yes but when do I get my thermoptic camo, sexy robotic body, and implant to link directly into the Internet? And where's my crack team of cyber crime police and Fuchikoma?
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    Image of drdoombot drdoombot
    08/03/09

    In reply to The Cyborg Exoskeletons Of The Future Take To The Streets
    Choosing Cyberdyne as your company name is either supremely awesome or very unfortunate.
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    Dr Emilio Lizardo promoted this comment drdoombot was starred drdoombot was unstarred
    Image of Dr Emilio Lizardo Dr Emilio Lizardo
    08/04/09

    @drdoombot: Obviously, supremely awesome!
    Hey look, I can comment!
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    Image of RoboBagins RoboBagins
    08/04/09

    @Dr Emilio Lizardo: very awesome. These guys obviously have a sense of humor.
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    Image of Sunshineyness Sunshineyness
    08/03/09

    In reply to The Cyborg Exoskeletons Of The Future Take To The Streets
    I think this is a really neat technology and extraordinary if this can be used to help people to walk again.

    But seriously, they really need to NOT call themselves Cyberdyne and the robot "Hal." It's freaking the crap out of me (was it intentional? Do they think this is somehow funny? Because I don't hear the nerds laughing.) and I imagine it will deter people from investing in them.
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    Image of Valrose Valrose
    08/03/09

    In reply to The Cyborg Exoskeletons Of The Future Take To The Streets
    I have moved the Cyborg Apocalypse clock to 5 minutes to midnight.
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    Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H. promoted this comment Valrose was starred Valrose was unstarred
    Image of twophrasebark twophrasebark
    08/03/09

    In reply to The Cyborg Exoskeletons Of The Future Take To The Streets
    This is not a dream... not a dream. We are using your brain's electrical system as a receiver. We are unable to transmit through conscious neural interference. You are receiving this broadcast as a dream. We are transmitting from the year one, nine, nine, nine. You are receiving this broadcast in order to alter the events you are seeing. Our technology has not developed a transmitter strong enough to reach your conscious state of awareness, but this is not a dream. You are seeing what is actually occurring for the purpose of causality violation.
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