Yeah, the only thing on this entire list that I really care about is that Futurama is coming back. And all four of the DVD movies fall kinda flat on the whole basis that they both tried to be a movie and tried to be four stand-alone episodes. And failed at both.
See, the advantage that the series had was that when they ran long, they could pick the worst parts to trim out. When they switched it up to a four-ep movie format, suddenly they were both forced to pad the main story to fill out ~90 minutes, and they were forced to disregard the overall pacing so they could keep all the secondary stories within a strict range of runtimes. On the flip side, they had to sacrifice any pretense of quality on the secondary stories so they could try to keep the main stories flowing well enough to be followed. It just didn't work the way they'd hoped, even if it succeeded in bringing new life to the series.
@dnwilliams: That's a pretty intriguing proposition. I would certainly trade BSG, since I only watched the first season and I thought it was quite good, but didn't want to keep watching.
Okay, this is going to be unpopular, but Firefly was not that great. Don't get me wrong - it was an awesome show, great premise, witty banter, and great actors - but a lot of the stories were weak (Heart of Gold? The Train Job? The Message?). Given a second season, the show probably would have better found its legs, but I don't understand when people hold it up as the end-all, be-all of modern science fiction. And I say this from a place of love, as someone who's Firefly and Serenity DVDs have a place of prominence in my collection.
As much as Battlestar shat the bed at the end, there was enough awesome to make up for it. I wouldn't trade Roslin, I wouldn't trade Starbuck, I wouldn't trade Donna Noble or Rose Tyler or the Doctor, I wouldn't trade the Planet Express crew. Hell, given the awesome that was Children of Earth, I probably would think twice before trading in the Torchwood team. I would love it if Firefly came back, but to suggest that it was better than all of the shows that we've had in the past seven years seems overreaching, to say the least.
@vulcanized: "but I don't understand when people hold it up as the end-all, be-all of modern science fiction. "
Vulcanized, you ignorant slut, it was believable.
@Matthew Weflen: I don't think anyone is saying it was any of those things. It wasn't superbly written, it wasn't extraordinarily deep, or symbolic, or grounbreaking or whatever. It was just beautiful and charming, and heartwarming and fun and made you want to be around it. And that cute little thing it does with its nose when it smiles ? I just want to be near it.
Thankful for new Venture Bros, Futurama, Torchwood, Doctor Who, The Internet, so that I can get the new Torchwood and Doctor Who the same day they air in the U.K., thankful also for the Internet so I can grab the new Merlin and Sarah Jane Adventures for an Internet bereft friend of mine in New York City, and to the US Postal Service for getting her the DVDs with Torchwood, DW, Merlin, and SJA to her ASAP.
I anticipate being thankful for a forth series of The IT Crowd.
@kernow: What happened to all the british TV shows this year? Most of them weren't cancelled, but they're not showing until the 2010 season; Doctor Who, Torchwood, IT Crowd, Secret Diary of a Call Girl (not sci-fi, but it's got Billie Piper).
I've been watching Misfits, and I also recommend it.
@phiphax: No thanks. Theres been some cracking stuff in the last seven years.
Id happly give up the Battlestar a few times over and then some.
However, Jeykll?
Dr Who eppisodes such as "Blink"
(and well, anything else by Steve Moffett).
What about Middleman? Better Of Ted?
And, of course, Whedons own Dr Horrible. (which I thinks worth a few firefly eppisodes on its own)
Firefly might be a notch above most other things, but there is plenty of things that I wouldn't give up, not even for a more of it.
@joejava: Seriously? You have watched those things (and more) and can honestly...really honestly and not "educating because I want to be the biggest firefly fan"... give up all those things and more for another season?
Because I dont buy it. Theres been plenty of things...rare things as a %...but plenty overall, that individually are on the same league as firefly.
Conclumatively I don't see it as a contest.
Dr Horrible *alone* is worth 2-3 firefly episodes for me. (depending which ones)
I liked Transformers 2, and Terminator Salvation, and I liked almost everything else you posted in this post. Everything but castle and doll house that is.
But if we are going to look down and hate apon any movie it should be Dragonball evolution... that was perhaps the worst movie in the history of movies, hell enchanted was better than that.
I am absolutely an old-school Who fan, even one of many with a book signed by Pertwee. I do believe Tennant will go down as one of the best Doctors ever. I'd easily put him in the top three.
You have to feel sorry for the new guy, those are some mighty big shoes to fill. (Although, Davison managed it, so there is hope...)
I'm thankful for Moon, Star Trek, and District 9 for their smart, big-screen sci-fi. I'm thankful for Zombieland making me laugh for two hours (wear your seat belt). I'm thankful for Netflix letting me binge-watch all of the new Doctor Who and Torchwood.
In the realm of the science fiction genre, I am thankful for:
1. Unseen Academicals by Terry Pratchett.
2. Star Trek and Doctor Who for making movie and TV space opera fun again.
3. District 9 for demonstrating it is possible to present a "serious" science fiction story in a dramatic format that isn't reduced to a bunch of preaching. (It came close now and then but backed off and trusted the audience to get the point.)
4. WARNING: the asparagus or brussel sprout item on the menu (read: "This item is matter of taste. I'm thankful that other people have different tastes but feel free to skip this one...and I'll skip the tofurkey).
The finale to Moore and Eick's "re-imagined" Battlestar Galactica. Yes, you read that right. To a die-hard original series fan, the crash and burn of Season 3, the bizarre unevenness of Season 4, and the total WTF? (and subsequent fallout) of the finale was pure joy. Was it karma?
5. Public libraries. Thank you, Mr. Jefferson and Mr. Carnegie.
6. And, as always, for hours of sci-fi TV and movie entertainment that makes me happy, I'm thankful for Vincent Price, Bruce Campbell...and, most of all, John Colicos.
I'm thankful I'm not a parent to a teenage girl. Explaining why daddy thinks Twilight is reprehensible crap to a hormonal 13 year old would be too much hassle.
@Bill-Lee: Ugh, just imagining the shrill, whiny arguments from a teenage daughter about that combined with the "you just don't understand" defense ad nauseum is enough to turn me off on kids period...
@Bill-Lee: My daughter is a Twilight fan, though an older teen, and that's ok by me. Why? SHE'S READING. If it takes such a book to spur an interest, I'm all for it. I seem to recall my old man not being too happy with my attention to Tom Swift.
As I matured, so did my tastes.
I must ask, did you read Twilight? I haven't, and that's another reason for me not to hate upon it. I've read plenty of stuff that is shit, lots of stuff that I wouldn't recommend and lots of stuff that I rave about, ad nauseum. I can recommend things that I don't care for to people who will care for it and recognize that the books I really think are smashing may not be suitable for all audiences. There is no right answer and consensus is often a mob reaction. Just sayin', ya know
@lazyeight: I have. It's terrible for younger teens. Older teens may be able to understand the problems inherant in it, but if I had a little sister, I'd sit her down and have a chat about how stalkers who sneak into your bedroom to watch you sleep, remove the battery from your car to stop you from seeing your friends, and who are filled with the desire to kill you aren't the ones to pine over. It isn't the shitty writing that really bothers me, it's the message it sends to teens, and the way they're all accepting it so unquestionably.
I'm sorry your daughter isn't inherently into reading, though. When I was oan older teen, I was reading Thomas Hardy and Gabriel Garcia Marquez for fun-- still some questionable messages, but at least there, the desire to question the characters is there.
The books I was most obsessed with, we tended to chat about.
@lazyeight: The series amounts to this: Intelligent but awkward girl falls in love with emotionally distant, abusive stalker because he is handsome and exotic. He's a vampire but that's OK, he doesn't drink human blood. In spite of their 90 year age difference they eventually marry and have a kid after overcoming a variety of melodramatic obstacles. It's nothing more than Stephenie Meyer's sexual fantasy packaged as young adult fiction. It doesn't edify the mind or give the reader anything positive to think about or hope for. If the only requirement that you have for fiction is that it makes your daughter want to read, then good on you. Would you let your teenage son (if you had one) read Playboy? They print some interesting articles between the naked women, cartoons, and dirty jokes.
@Bill-Lee: If my hypothetical son was 19 and wasn't perusing Playboy (at least on the sly) I'd have concerns! I realize that the world is not the same one I grew up in and that extends to fiction. What I look for in my reading is what I want and I don't expect those younger than myself (and that extends to some of my fellow commenters here) or those with different tastes to have to seek. I will not dictate to them (or my daughter) what they must or mustn't enjoy.
I have enough confidence in our parenting skills to know that she is reading this series as FICTION, and not as a Life Manual.
That and the fact that she's not as obsessed with Twilight as I was with Dune at her age.
@lazyeight: "I have enough confidence in our parenting skills to know that she is reading this series as FICTION, and not as a Life Manual." I couldn't agree more.
I am getting tired of the vitriol that is being directed at the Twilight books here on io9. I really think that many people are underestimating the intelligence of today's youth. The kids know that it is romantic fiction and many of them, my daughter included, have turned away from the books the more that they get hyped. The hype is a turn off for kids as well as adults.
My daughter has read and enjoyed the Twilight books, but now she has moved onto other YA fiction and more mature books like Little Brother, Catching Fire, Oryx and Crake and The Stand.
I am currently reading Diana Gabaldon's latest. Do I think that I will find true love in the 1700s in the Scottish Highlands? No, but sometimes it is fun to read about the heroic Jamie Fraser. Historical fiction and time travel works for me! (She was inspired to write about a Scottish character after watching an episode of Dr Who) I generally read hard science fiction but sometimes a little romance is not a bad thing.
The very reasons you cite as reasons for cancellation of Doll House are the reasons I enjoy the show.
Shows like the new Doctor Who, Torch Wood, Dollhouse, Defying Gravity and several others ask difficult questions that no one seems interested in giving consideration.
Considering the rate our technology continues to advance, you would think that more people would be looking for answers into these sometimes difficult to swallow ethical and moral issues.
This trend toward challenge-less entertainment bores me. I need something to push my mind where it has never thought of going before.
@enigma1490002: Not to mention Defying gravity is the most realistic near-future depiction of space travel I have seen.
Hugely unrated show. I think people gave up far too soon before the sci-fi elements kicked in more.
11/30/09
See, the advantage that the series had was that when they ran long, they could pick the worst parts to trim out. When they switched it up to a four-ep movie format, suddenly they were both forced to pad the main story to fill out ~90 minutes, and they were forced to disregard the overall pacing so they could keep all the secondary stories within a strict range of runtimes. On the flip side, they had to sacrifice any pretense of quality on the secondary stories so they could try to keep the main stories flowing well enough to be followed. It just didn't work the way they'd hoped, even if it succeeded in bringing new life to the series.
11/27/09
11/27/09
11/27/09
I once had a (pretty short) discussion with a friend about whether or not we'd trade Serenity for Firefly Season 2...
11/28/09
But would I trade, say, Lost? No.
TSCC? Hmmmm...... TOUGH CALL.
11/27/09
As much as Battlestar shat the bed at the end, there was enough awesome to make up for it. I wouldn't trade Roslin, I wouldn't trade Starbuck, I wouldn't trade Donna Noble or Rose Tyler or the Doctor, I wouldn't trade the Planet Express crew. Hell, given the awesome that was Children of Earth, I probably would think twice before trading in the Torchwood team. I would love it if Firefly came back, but to suggest that it was better than all of the shows that we've had in the past seven years seems overreaching, to say the least.
11/27/09
Firefly was the adventures of Han Solo in the Cowboy Bebop universe.
Entertaining? Yeah, for about 8 of 13 shows.
Original? Earth-shaking? Genre-defining? Worthy of unflagging devotion by legions of obsessives?
Umm... no.
11/28/09
"but I don't understand when people hold it up as the end-all, be-all of modern science fiction. "
Vulcanized, you ignorant slut, it was believable.
11/28/09
11/28/09
Seriously though, I do.
11/27/09
I anticipate being thankful for a forth series of The IT Crowd.
11/27/09
P.S. Watch Mis Fits like a low budget Heroes but excellent.
11/27/09
I've been watching Misfits, and I also recommend it.
11/27/09
wow! wow! wow! let me support this statement has much as i can!!! so so so true!!
11/27/09
Id happly give up the Battlestar a few times over and then some.
However, Jeykll?
Dr Who eppisodes such as "Blink"
(and well, anything else by Steve Moffett).
What about Middleman? Better Of Ted?
And, of course, Whedons own Dr Horrible. (which I thinks worth a few firefly eppisodes on its own)
Firefly might be a notch above most other things, but there is plenty of things that I wouldn't give up, not even for a more of it.
11/27/09
11/28/09
Because I dont buy it. Theres been plenty of things...rare things as a %...but plenty overall, that individually are on the same league as firefly.
Conclumatively I don't see it as a contest.
Dr Horrible *alone* is worth 2-3 firefly episodes for me. (depending which ones)
11/27/09
and i do miss TSCC and what cool stuff would have happened if we got season 3.
11/27/09
But if we are going to look down and hate apon any movie it should be Dragonball evolution... that was perhaps the worst movie in the history of movies, hell enchanted was better than that.
11/27/09
Dosnt even deserve to be in the same paragraph.
11/26/09
You have to feel sorry for the new guy, those are some mighty big shoes to fill. (Although, Davison managed it, so there is hope...)
11/26/09
11/26/09
1. Unseen Academicals by Terry Pratchett.
2. Star Trek and Doctor Who for making movie and TV space opera fun again.
3. District 9 for demonstrating it is possible to present a "serious" science fiction story in a dramatic format that isn't reduced to a bunch of preaching. (It came close now and then but backed off and trusted the audience to get the point.)
4. WARNING: the asparagus or brussel sprout item on the menu (read: "This item is matter of taste. I'm thankful that other people have different tastes but feel free to skip this one...and I'll skip the tofurkey).
The finale to Moore and Eick's "re-imagined" Battlestar Galactica. Yes, you read that right. To a die-hard original series fan, the crash and burn of Season 3, the bizarre unevenness of Season 4, and the total WTF? (and subsequent fallout) of the finale was pure joy. Was it karma?
5. Public libraries. Thank you, Mr. Jefferson and Mr. Carnegie.
6. And, as always, for hours of sci-fi TV and movie entertainment that makes me happy, I'm thankful for Vincent Price, Bruce Campbell...and, most of all, John Colicos.
11/26/09
11/26/09
11/27/09
11/27/09
11/27/09
As I matured, so did my tastes.
I must ask, did you read Twilight? I haven't, and that's another reason for me not to hate upon it. I've read plenty of stuff that is shit, lots of stuff that I wouldn't recommend and lots of stuff that I rave about, ad nauseum. I can recommend things that I don't care for to people who will care for it and recognize that the books I really think are smashing may not be suitable for all audiences. There is no right answer and consensus is often a mob reaction. Just sayin', ya know
11/27/09
I'm sorry your daughter isn't inherently into reading, though. When I was oan older teen, I was reading Thomas Hardy and Gabriel Garcia Marquez for fun-- still some questionable messages, but at least there, the desire to question the characters is there.
The books I was most obsessed with, we tended to chat about.
11/27/09
11/28/09
I have enough confidence in our parenting skills to know that she is reading this series as FICTION, and not as a Life Manual.
That and the fact that she's not as obsessed with Twilight as I was with Dune at her age.
11/28/09
I am getting tired of the vitriol that is being directed at the Twilight books here on io9. I really think that many people are underestimating the intelligence of today's youth. The kids know that it is romantic fiction and many of them, my daughter included, have turned away from the books the more that they get hyped. The hype is a turn off for kids as well as adults.
My daughter has read and enjoyed the Twilight books, but now she has moved onto other YA fiction and more mature books like Little Brother, Catching Fire, Oryx and Crake and The Stand.
I am currently reading Diana Gabaldon's latest. Do I think that I will find true love in the 1700s in the Scottish Highlands? No, but sometimes it is fun to read about the heroic Jamie Fraser. Historical fiction and time travel works for me! (She was inspired to write about a Scottish character after watching an episode of Dr Who) I generally read hard science fiction but sometimes a little romance is not a bad thing.
11/26/09
Shows like the new Doctor Who, Torch Wood, Dollhouse, Defying Gravity and several others ask difficult questions that no one seems interested in giving consideration.
Considering the rate our technology continues to advance, you would think that more people would be looking for answers into these sometimes difficult to swallow ethical and moral issues.
This trend toward challenge-less entertainment bores me. I need something to push my mind where it has never thought of going before.
11/27/09
Hugely unrated show. I think people gave up far too soon before the sci-fi elements kicked in more.
Could have been another Lost, imo.