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@Alden Lee: Actually, if you're gonna be like that, it was _On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life_.
Naturally, this was quickly followed by _On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life II: The Quickening_.
very - erm good... a kitshy love story is exactly what darwin needs to stabilize his reputation as THE man of science in the times of rising creationism.....
@SinisterBill: Since the creationist stance has already been reduced to "believing in fairy tales" by the masses, I don't see why it can't be Darwin's turn for a little dressing-down. :)
(I could waste thousands of words talking about quantum physics and fairy tales. Believe you me.)
@equustel: Thought I should clarify that last statement: quantum physics are frelling awesome. I am utterly fascinated by it and how it relates to varied theologies. And I am of the Inkling (Lewis + Tolkien) train of thought when it comes to "fairy tales" - what they really point to, what value they have in and of themselves, why we write them, etc.
Didn't mean to imply quantum physics was somehow the equivalent of a fairy tale. I smell a lynching and I'm desperately trying to avoid one.
@YankBoffin: He definitely wasn't out to disprove God, but he also wasn't religious either - he loved his wife, though, which means he tried hard NOT to disprove God, for her sake.
The world has been waiting for a Charles Darwin love story. The only thing I think that the world has wanted more than that is the Isaac Newton teen comedy set in his days at Trinity College or possibly Enrico Fermi - Vampire Hunter.
Thankfully Darwin's discovery of evolution completely rules out the possibility that man came from some dirt that a god used to make an image of himself out of, and that woman came from a rib of this dirt-man.
Compare the amount of interlocking data from every applicable scientific field including geology, physics, and even molecular biology, all having observational experiments done, that test and prove the hypotheses of evolution occurring, with the DISCREDITED FAIRY TALE - a big invisible monster that nobody has ever seen or heard did it.
It is frightening that mass delusions of supernatural beings still exist today. It is the same thing as saying that my invisible fire breathing dragon is more powerful than your multi-headed fire spewing sea monster. So, come around to my way of thinking or I will commit atrocities for it.
Everything from the murderous blood stained Sky Daddy who drowned virtually all humanity and other life, sentenced everyone to leave Utopia after Eve (persuaded by a talking snake) ate a magical apple, had Jonah take a ride in the belly of a whale, ruined the life of Job, told Abraham to murder his own kid, killed all the first born of Egypt, had his chosen people commit genocide on the original inhabitants of Palestine, to letting his own son be nailed to some wood so mankind could party with a ghost - is a FAIRY TALE that humanity needs to reject if we are to see many more generations.
By the way if you are dumb enough to believe that this fable is real; in the Bible, the murder count is God/millions - Devil/zero. Whom would you rather spend time with, a vengeful monster or a “fallen” angel who thought he had a better way? I am NOT promoting the Devil, just illustrating the craziness in this stupidity.
Hopefully if you were previously deluded, after reading this you will see how foolish you have been. Society needs to accelerate its retreat from worshiping outlandishly absurd fictional psychopathic beings.
I have a question, which probably won't be answered, but, whatever.
The Discovery Institute has been trying for as long as it exists to paint itself as either a secular organization or a multi-faith organization. Ditto with intelligent design: it is not promoted as a religious solution, it's promoted as science. The organization is, to quote themselves, a "510(c)(3) non-profit, non-partisan, educational and research organization".
But this faith + evolution website looks centred on Christian thinking, as opposed to considering how an evolutionary worldview affects the multitude of religions that exist in the real world. I mean evolution affects Buddhist faith too. And Muslims, heck, there's a billion of them but this website never mentions Darwin and the Quran! Why doesn't this website discuss their thoughts...UNLESS the Discovery Institute (shock!) only cares about Christians. !!!
My question:
If I ever hear anyone say that the Discovery Institute or the intelligent design movement are not based on Christianity or promoted by people who are predominantly Christian, can I throw them this link? Or are they too far down the ignorance hole to be saved?
To be fair, there are a lot of problems with Darwin. Which is why people attack him rather than the better science that came after. I'm not sure if this is an intentional tactic or just them being confused and thinking Origin of Species is some kind of holy writ that anyone who believes in evolution has to accept unconditionally.
I want to go to the Creation Museum so I can see Adam and Eve with the dinosaurs. I have relatives in Kentucky. Maybe I'll make it a road trip when I go down to visit them sometime. :D I wonder what they have in their souvenir shop?
Yes, it is possible for science and religion to be reconciled. This usually requires far more yeilding on the religious side than the scientific one. At that point your religion so vague and remote it's probably not very satisfying to many people.
Deism is not very emotionally satisfying. If it was, this debate would have been over 500 years ago.
@corpore-metal: i'm curious how religion and religion can be reconciled. most 'creation science,' in america at least, centers primarily around explaining the judeo/christian creation myth. how can this be taught in schools without also covering other creation myths? at some point you have to draw a line and say that a science class room is for science and if a religion wants to teach their own version of events they should do it somewhere else least all biology classes turn into theological debate classes.
Science and religion may be capable of coexistence, but people seem intent on ginning up new things to fight about and new reasons to fight about old things.
Quit politicking. If I wanted serious theological and political debate, I wouldn't be browsing a science fiction site.
And just so everyone's clear, religion and science aren't mutually exclusive - if you're serious about both, they actually compliment each other. And frankly, evolution being taught isn't the big problem - Christians acknowledge that it's possible evolution played a part in the biological process at some point or that it's even ongoing, but the key is the thought that a Creator got the ball rolling. Whoever can't accept that or wants to think that it's just impossible, is being closed-minded and ignorant.
@rileyjam514: These ARE the close-minded Christians, buddy. They believe every species that exists now was created as-is hands on by God 6,000 years ago and hasn't changed since. And they want every schoolchild in America to be taught this, and this only.
@KhaiJB: public schools. students in many districts are at the mercy of school boards that would rather schools indoctrinate their children with the beliefs they hold than be taught.
06/16/09
That's right, I'm thinking of adult film: Master(bator) and Cummander: The Far Side of the Womb
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Naturally, this was quickly followed by _On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life II: The Quickening_.
06/16/09
_On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life III: Beyond Thunderdome_.
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(I could waste thousands of words talking about quantum physics and fairy tales. Believe you me.)
06/16/09
Didn't mean to imply quantum physics was somehow the equivalent of a fairy tale. I smell a lynching and I'm desperately trying to avoid one.
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He was out to do freakin' science, god damn it!
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Compare the amount of interlocking data from every applicable scientific field including geology, physics, and even molecular biology, all having observational experiments done, that test and prove the hypotheses of evolution occurring, with the DISCREDITED FAIRY TALE - a big invisible monster that nobody has ever seen or heard did it.
It is frightening that mass delusions of supernatural beings still exist today. It is the same thing as saying that my invisible fire breathing dragon is more powerful than your multi-headed fire spewing sea monster. So, come around to my way of thinking or I will commit atrocities for it.
Everything from the murderous blood stained Sky Daddy who drowned virtually all humanity and other life, sentenced everyone to leave Utopia after Eve (persuaded by a talking snake) ate a magical apple, had Jonah take a ride in the belly of a whale, ruined the life of Job, told Abraham to murder his own kid, killed all the first born of Egypt, had his chosen people commit genocide on the original inhabitants of Palestine, to letting his own son be nailed to some wood so mankind could party with a ghost - is a FAIRY TALE that humanity needs to reject if we are to see many more generations.
By the way if you are dumb enough to believe that this fable is real; in the Bible, the murder count is God/millions - Devil/zero. Whom would you rather spend time with, a vengeful monster or a “fallen” angel who thought he had a better way? I am NOT promoting the Devil, just illustrating the craziness in this stupidity.
Hopefully if you were previously deluded, after reading this you will see how foolish you have been. Society needs to accelerate its retreat from worshiping outlandishly absurd fictional psychopathic beings.
There is no middle ground.
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05/29/09
The Discovery Institute has been trying for as long as it exists to paint itself as either a secular organization or a multi-faith organization. Ditto with intelligent design: it is not promoted as a religious solution, it's promoted as science. The organization is, to quote themselves, a "510(c)(3) non-profit, non-partisan, educational and research organization".
But this faith + evolution website looks centred on Christian thinking, as opposed to considering how an evolutionary worldview affects the multitude of religions that exist in the real world. I mean evolution affects Buddhist faith too. And Muslims, heck, there's a billion of them but this website never mentions Darwin and the Quran! Why doesn't this website discuss their thoughts...UNLESS the Discovery Institute (shock!) only cares about Christians. !!!
My question:
If I ever hear anyone say that the Discovery Institute or the intelligent design movement are not based on Christianity or promoted by people who are predominantly Christian, can I throw them this link? Or are they too far down the ignorance hole to be saved?
05/29/09
A few of them might be genuinely misinformed, so the link might help.
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*daydreams*
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+ Watch video
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Deism is not very emotionally satisfying. If it was, this debate would have been over 500 years ago.
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And just so everyone's clear, religion and science aren't mutually exclusive - if you're serious about both, they actually compliment each other. And frankly, evolution being taught isn't the big problem - Christians acknowledge that it's possible evolution played a part in the biological process at some point or that it's even ongoing, but the key is the thought that a Creator got the ball rolling. Whoever can't accept that or wants to think that it's just impossible, is being closed-minded and ignorant.
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That's why they're dangerous.
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they believe it. good let them. I'll believe what I want to believe and that's that.
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