Unfortunately, the website seems to have missed the point, even though this quote is right there on the page:
"She can only tolerate things that could have been worn, to a general lack of comment, during any year between 1945 and 2000. "
Everything they show would have been glaringly comment-inducing when worn by a woman before probably the mid-sixties... Certainly before the mid-fifties.
-Kle. #williamgibson
I also saw Marly Krushkova as a strong feminine Gibson character. When I read Pattern Recognition after Count Zero I saw echoes of her in Cayce. And her anti-style is actual style. Like Kat says in her article, Cayce embodies the quality of cut, context of style, and the semiotics of fashion which a lot of people who love clothes are more interested in than branding or elitism- that is what true style is.
In a strange way it is that mentality, that awareness of fashions semiotics, that creates an elitism in style. It is what makes certain designs and brands more desirable, and therefore more marketable.
I suppose Cayce's ability to sense this is what makes her a sought after coolhunter. #williamgibson
William Gibson's prose is just beautiful. Not in the flowery, lyrical way that so many writers strive for and end up sounding like Stephanie Meyer. The bandwidth and information density are so high. A lesser writer would take twice as many pages to get the same information across. I liked the original SF well enough, but this near future stuff he's been writing lately shows that SF can be literature. #williamgibson
@PostMarque: I'm not a conspiracy buff, but I got the feeling in Spook Country that Gibson was circling the edges of the now. Gibson said himself that he wished to write about happenings 15 minutes into the future. I think he blew it, and instead wrote only about 5 minutes out. #williamgibson
@lazyeight: 15 minutes into my future may include a trip to the water closet to release my bowels... prolly not a chart topping best seller. #williamgibson
Cayce is an appealing character (to men, anyway; I have a feeling that to women she may seem a little too much like the super-thin, super-sophisticated girl a couple of years ahead in high school and college; nice Jane Birkin reference there, Gibson), but "rejection" is a funny way to put it: after all, "Pilates" is a brand name, with all sorts of very expensive branding (as a friend of mine who is an instructor mentions from time to time). Moreover, a pair of Levi's with "Levi Strauss & Co." ground off the buttons remains a pair of Levi's, maybe even if one unpicks the rear pocket stitching. Buzz Rickson is a brand, too, with logos. At a little remove from the novel, Cayce seems more like a hipster and less like a victim of an overbranded society -- "I'm allergic to brands" sounds like the sort of thing that one would hear pretty regularly in Williamsburg and Portland, etc. #williamgibson
@Rasselas: Also, if her name is an allusion to the psychic Edgar Cayce, as many people seem to think (rather than to the hacker in Neuromancer), I think it'd be pronounced "Casey." #williamgibson
@Rasselas: She tells Voytek that she was named for Edgar Cayce, but that her name is pronounced "Case." There's no "seem to think" about it. #williamgibson
@sjct: im a guy. and i also identify with the allergy reaction she has. tommy hilifgher and walmart draw the same reaction from me. i broke out in hives once at both stores. #williamgibson
I don't get steampunk. It seems like an overly elaborate excuse to wear goggles and make shitty clothing with bronze all over it.
The people who have festivals about it seem like the kind of BS hippie artsy fartsy types that would through a festival about anything.
Not to mention the fact that it seems like the only reason its so prominent is because it gives fangirls a reason to wear bodices and corsets while gushing over how good Firefly was.
Ok. So, it isn't all bad. #steampunk
@Rtrain: "Not to mention the fact that it seems like the only reason its so prominent is because it gives fangirls a reason to wear bodices and corsets while gushing over how good Firefly was."
Steampunk may say one thing when looked at as a projection of the past into the present, but it says something more when looked at as the tool of the future into a primitive past. How would you introduce technology into a backward world? Lasers and computer chips are beyond most workers in our society -- the only way to bootstrap is to go via steam and steel.
Can someone please explain to me the hook of gasmask fetishism? I mean, I get the whole death/life liminality thing to some extent, as much as I find the horrors of WWI anything but chic, but I'm still not getting the attraction. I'm not being judgmental here, at all, I'm just trying to understand the point. #steampunk
Ah yes, very nicely made but pardon, oh dear, I feel a rant coming on...
So, steampunk is taking longer to recede back into the greater mass of Speculative Fiction than I thought. Fine. Have we totally lost interest in the Future? Is looking ahead just sooo 20th century? As a technology advances it gets less bulky and complicated. What the hell kind of industrial design keeps all this exposed gears and tubes just to look cool?! If the Victorians, Wilhelmians and other muttonchop types had all this cool tech much earlier, yes it would have changed the world. But, and this is crucial, it would have continued to change! Spats, top hats, and frilly parasols wouldn't stay in fashion any longer than they did here.
I challenge the steampunk hobbyists to show us visions of what these worlds would look like in 1920, 1960, and today. Remember it's not so much a parallel world as a divergent one. Also, airships may be cool but probably never very practical. Ekranoplans however...
I really do adore allohistories and alternate worlds, but why are only re-imaginings of a hyper-industrialized 19th Century this damn prevalent? I think it's because this is a period of history where many modern laypeople begin to recognize stuff that starts looking familiar.
@Grey_Area:
I think society as a whole may have lost interest in the future. When I was a kid, the future was the 21st Century and everyone was looking forward to it. Now the 21st Century is here and it is a mess. We're plagued by concerns over the climate, the US is at war on two fronts, terrorists make the news weekly if not daily, and we're worried that some rogue state may set off nukes. Nobody wants to look forward anymore. Instead, to borrow an X-Files catch phase, we want to fight the future.
Some of the most popular recent science fiction, at least at the movies and on TV, has been set in either the past or present day. The Battlestar Galactica re-boot took place 150 thousand years ago in a society that rejected what we would think of as "futuristic" technology, when they arrived on Earth they rejected their older tech as well. The Transformers movies, for all their fancy robots, take place in the present day. The Stargate series feature aliens and spaceships but is set in the present day. JJ Abrams' Star Trek re-boot, one of the few recent science fiction films set in the future was set in that series' past and was essentially a work of retro-futurism. Terminator Salvation was about a desolate, miserable future that was essentially an extension of our anxiety about the present. #steampunk
NBC trainer: See, the masks even have straws that you can insert into your canteens, so you can drink while wearing them.
Wiseass private: But what if you have to eat? And who even carries canteens anymore?
NBC trainer: Well, if we actually have some sort of NBC attack, you're dead long before you can get your gear on anyway, so don't worry about it. So anyway, this exercise is to make sure you are all confident in your gear, in case you have to use it in an emergency! #steampunk
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"She can only tolerate things that could have been worn, to a general lack of comment, during any year between 1945 and 2000. "
Everything they show would have been glaringly comment-inducing when worn by a woman before probably the mid-sixties... Certainly before the mid-fifties.
-Kle. #williamgibson
06:06 AM
I love the idea that, with Gibson's work, we're moving back from a not-so-distant future to a not-quite-there-yet present.
Give it another two books and he'll be predicting tomorrow. #williamgibson
11/06/09
In a strange way it is that mentality, that awareness of fashions semiotics, that creates an elitism in style. It is what makes certain designs and brands more desirable, and therefore more marketable.
I suppose Cayce's ability to sense this is what makes her a sought after coolhunter. #williamgibson
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i have purchased at least 8 copies. 1 permanant copy, several loaner copies and several gift copies.
it is my answer to, "whats your favorite book?" #williamgibson
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I don't get steampunk. It seems like an overly elaborate excuse to wear goggles and make shitty clothing with bronze all over it.
The people who have festivals about it seem like the kind of BS hippie artsy fartsy types that would through a festival about anything.
Not to mention the fact that it seems like the only reason its so prominent is because it gives fangirls a reason to wear bodices and corsets while gushing over how good Firefly was.
Ok. So, it isn't all bad. #steampunk
10/22/09
I fully endorse this steampunk thing. #steampunk
10/22/09
...and firefly WAS good, after all... #steampunk
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So, steampunk is taking longer to recede back into the greater mass of Speculative Fiction than I thought. Fine. Have we totally lost interest in the Future? Is looking ahead just sooo 20th century? As a technology advances it gets less bulky and complicated. What the hell kind of industrial design keeps all this exposed gears and tubes just to look cool?! If the Victorians, Wilhelmians and other muttonchop types had all this cool tech much earlier, yes it would have changed the world. But, and this is crucial, it would have continued to change! Spats, top hats, and frilly parasols wouldn't stay in fashion any longer than they did here.
I challenge the steampunk hobbyists to show us visions of what these worlds would look like in 1920, 1960, and today. Remember it's not so much a parallel world as a divergent one. Also, airships may be cool but probably never very practical. Ekranoplans however...
I really do adore allohistories and alternate worlds, but why are only re-imaginings of a hyper-industrialized 19th Century this damn prevalent? I think it's because this is a period of history where many modern laypeople begin to recognize stuff that starts looking familiar.
Okay, I'm done.
for now...
#steampunk
10/21/09
I think society as a whole may have lost interest in the future. When I was a kid, the future was the 21st Century and everyone was looking forward to it. Now the 21st Century is here and it is a mess. We're plagued by concerns over the climate, the US is at war on two fronts, terrorists make the news weekly if not daily, and we're worried that some rogue state may set off nukes. Nobody wants to look forward anymore. Instead, to borrow an X-Files catch phase, we want to fight the future.
Some of the most popular recent science fiction, at least at the movies and on TV, has been set in either the past or present day. The Battlestar Galactica re-boot took place 150 thousand years ago in a society that rejected what we would think of as "futuristic" technology, when they arrived on Earth they rejected their older tech as well. The Transformers movies, for all their fancy robots, take place in the present day. The Stargate series feature aliens and spaceships but is set in the present day. JJ Abrams' Star Trek re-boot, one of the few recent science fiction films set in the future was set in that series' past and was essentially a work of retro-futurism. Terminator Salvation was about a desolate, miserable future that was essentially an extension of our anxiety about the present. #steampunk
10/21/09
NBC trainer: See, the masks even have straws that you can insert into your canteens, so you can drink while wearing them.
Wiseass private: But what if you have to eat? And who even carries canteens anymore?
NBC trainer: Well, if we actually have some sort of NBC attack, you're dead long before you can get your gear on anyway, so don't worry about it. So anyway, this exercise is to make sure you are all confident in your gear, in case you have to use it in an emergency! #steampunk
10/21/09
=raises hand= someone posted a dollar store DIY version of this
[dollarstorecrafts.com] #scifashion
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