Saw it last night, thought it was great (although the lesbian makeout scene felt like a big lipped aligator momment since it was never addressed afterwards).
I just wished it had been marketed differently. I think the reviews are so negative because the majority of people who went to see this, saw it for Megan's tits. The audience in my theatre wouldn't shut the fuck up for the entire movie, bitching about how lame it was (instead of, you know, leaving the theatre!) and whooped like cavemen at the lesbian kissing scene.
My only complaint was Megan's acting. I really didn't buy any transition from her being a regular small town girl to demon god, she just acted the same all the way through.
I was thinking the same thing. He transformation should have been more apparent.
The lesbian kiss was addressed afterwards when Jennifer asked Needy if she wanted her to stay over 'like boyfriend & girlfriend' or words to that effect. It was obvious from that comment (and that Needy kissed back instead of being passive, letting herself just be kissed by Jennifer) that they experimented this way before.
[side note: When they switched to the close-up kissing both I wondered if it was really Megan and Amanda, or a couple of stand-ins swapping spit. After the movie my gf said she thought the same thing.]
Megan's tits had very little screen time. You'll need to freeze-frame the DVD to get a good look. And the fact that she didn't really reveal anything else in any other scene I'd say anyone who went to this to catch some of Megan nude must have been very disappointed.
@Arkaina: "saw it for Megan's tits / whooped like cavemen at the lesbian kissing scene" - how bizarre that the cavemen come looking for what every single trailer, commercial, softball interview, and entertainment magazine article hung their hats on... Why couldn't they see the truly deep meaning hidden just under the surface?
@Wookie1972: I use "hate" as the catch-all term for those who won't give the movie a fair chance mainly because Diablo Cody and Megan Fox.
Judged on its own merits, it's not a bad movie. It's not Scream or Nightmare on Elm Street but I was entertained.
@Ghost_in_the_Machine: I don't have hate for either one of them. I actually forgot about the fact that Diablo wrote this, until the girls started conversing with each other.
The thing is, I'm not a huge fan of horror movies anyway, so I wouldn't be inclined to see this one. But suffice it to say that most horror movies don't get a big reception at the Toronto Film Festival (unless they're by David Cronenburg)
I think the dialogue did get a little annoying at times, but there wasn't as much of Cody's special brand of teenspeak as some of the negative reviews seem to be saying. Also, I completely agree with the ideas about the relationships in the movie. Someone asked how their relationship had nothing to do with boys--yes, sometimes Jennifer showed some perturbedness over Needy's rather healthy relationship with Chip, but mostly it was a result of their years spent together as such close friends. That relationship--trying to hold onto it and keep it the same as it ever was--was the reason that a lot of pivotal things happened (not gonna share because there are spoilers).
I saw it with a friend who sort of liked it, but not as much as I did, I think. I liked the general feel of the movie, and Megan Fox was bearable mostly because I think she was playing a character that was really similar to her own personality. I must say this, though: there was one scene when she was begging for her life that was really, really well done.
And I think I've probably talked too much. I'll shut up now.
haha, kidding. Actually, great review. This is the first time I have had interest in seing this movie. I like a woman vs. woman dynamic, especially in trashy films. It's one of the dynamics that I like in some 60s sexploitation films, especially films by Russ Meyer. In those films, the women aren't just meager eye candy, which a lot of people are wont to believe, but they have an animalistic raw power that leads them to be viral and in control. A lot of his work have a strong female antagonist and a weaker female protaganist who eventually learns to stop getting pushed around and fight back. The men in those films act like they are in charge but they are little more then moving scenery to the clash between women.
After reading your article, I feel like some of these themes exist in Jennifer's Body. I'll probably end up checking it out now.
Ever since I read that this movie was done by the same lady who did 'Juno' and had the same smug, pretentious dialogue, I'm definitely staying away. There's only so much 'That's one doodle that can't be un-did, homeskillet!' that I can take without my brain melting.
@djklaus: I hear you on that. Her dialogue is really toned down in this flick. There are a few annoying moments, but it's not like Juno (which I also really hated).
I just came out of the movie with a guy friend of mine. We both looked at each other afterward and I said to him "we liked that movie for completely different reasons didn't we?" He just laughed and said, "yeah, I think so."
It was trashy, but fun. I laughed a lot and had a fun audience of immature teens who shrieked at the horror and wooped at the lesbian-y parts like immature teens are want to do. They sang along with the bad indie rock soundtrack and got a kick out of the surface level stuff. That added a little bit to my fun I think because it reminded me of seeing teen horror movies in theaters as a teen in the 90's. It was a lot like seeing Scream again.
Thinly veiled in the spirit of all the best 80's horror movies but interesting none-the-less.
Realizing it now, it's a lot like The Craft in the 90's. That movie also took the toxic female relationship and played it out in the horror context pretty interestingly. And, again, it's a movie I went to see back in the day with a guy and we both realized we liked it for different reasons.
I enjoyed it. There are some moments where you expect a scare but nothing happens, so it's not your conventional horror flick, the comedy worked better in Drag Me To Hell.
The teenspeak is a little distracting but it fits "zombie-mannequin, robot-statue" but the standouts are definitely Megan and Amanda. Great dynamic between the 2, and Fox's acting isn't atrocious.
The only horror film I can think of that featured a seriously disturbed young woman drenched in blood that could be considered remotely intellectually feminist is Carrie. I haven't seen Jennifer's Body yet, nor do I plan to, but considering the pictures featured here, I have an inkling that's what Cody was thinking of too.
I think you make a good point about about it being about female relationships, but the medium in which that moral is layered is such a trashy one. I'm sorry that I will miss out on what sounds like an interesting discussion of theme and allegory, but...I just can't deal with such thin, gratuitous subject matter. I hope Megan can fathom one day to be in a real dramatic film since she seems to have some actual acting skill.
@firstanointed: The movie actually reminded me a lot of Carrie, in a good way. Carrie was more intense as a movie than Jennifer's body, but for me they are very closely related. If you enjoyed Carrie, you'll probably enjoy Jennifer's Body.
I'm not sure women angry at/hating/fighting/ women is trashy feminism or any kind of feminism (as referenced below). To be clear, I don't think it's anti-feminist, but it kind of doesn't seem to be either?
I know it may be worthy of its own article somewhere else, but could you elaborate a teensy bit on how feminism fits in with this movie specifically at least, Annalee?
@Lassus: Actually, I don't think I used the word feminism in this article. But I do think it has a feminist sensibility because it is consciously and deliberately exploding stereotypes of women. In addition, it is showing female/female relationships that have nothing to do with men, but are nevertheless important. Not "emotional moment" important, but important to the fate of the whole fucking town.
One of the goals of feminism has been to show that female-female relationships can be just as important as male ones. And I think this movie is brutally, humorously honest about one failure mode in women's relationships.
@Lassus: I went into the movie expecting a revenge movie and was surprised that it wasn't. But in a good way. Most girls (including myself) have been a part of a friendship like Jennifer and Needy have at least once in their lives. It's something I rarely see discussed in even book form- these toxic relationships. I just find it cool that it brought it up. Yeah, it's not sublime or brilliant but just that they brought it up was cool in and of itself. The boys in the movie became 'male love interest' and 'male victim' (much like girls usually are in horror movies) and I thought that was interesting.
@Annalee Newitz: No, I knew it wasn't in the article, but you said something below in response to DunnyO, that's what I was referring to.
Your point about female/female relationships as a feminist is taken well, but I guess the failure part makes it difficult for me to be as accepting of that in this example.
I know that your thing below was probably more of a toss-off or you would have included it in the article. The point wasn't to corner you on it, I was legitimately curious, thanks!
Aside from the fact that it's not science fiction, it's frakin horror... it may contain enlightened social commentary, but after that infamous Transformers film crew letter, I'm done with this chick. Ignorance is not sexy. If I wanna see titties, I'll stream me some Ashlynn Brooke or Giana Michaels.
@capnjack78: Try three. There are so many movies going on right now that are at least trying to be creative, different and semi-inspiring, I'll give them my cash. Also, I must not be bi enough because I can't even go for the "sexy" factor. Fox repulses me.
@capnjack78: There's me too. I can't stand Megan Fox or the fact that I'm somehow obligated to be attracted to her. She's skanky and gross and has toe thumbs. I also don't like Diablo Cody's self-congratulatory "look how clever I am" dialogue, so this movie is just not working for me on any levels.
You do realise sites like io9 get either paid or the promise of access to do reviews, right? That's how things like this go. Jennifers Body is not really a film within this sites purview, is it. But, like that Repo Genetic Opera with Paris Hilton in it we all got tired of being spammed with here a while back, and other bits and pieces of off-kilter promotion, the men in suits believe there's enough cross pollination to use a sci-fi site for marketing fairly unrelated things.
The thing that annoys me isn't that our sites get used for marketing. It's that you still get clouds of anusburgers posting happily and oblivious in the comments proving the men in suits right.
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I just wished it had been marketed differently. I think the reviews are so negative because the majority of people who went to see this, saw it for Megan's tits. The audience in my theatre wouldn't shut the fuck up for the entire movie, bitching about how lame it was (instead of, you know, leaving the theatre!) and whooped like cavemen at the lesbian kissing scene.
My only complaint was Megan's acting. I really didn't buy any transition from her being a regular small town girl to demon god, she just acted the same all the way through.
09/20/09
I was thinking the same thing. He transformation should have been more apparent.
The lesbian kiss was addressed afterwards when Jennifer asked Needy if she wanted her to stay over 'like boyfriend & girlfriend' or words to that effect. It was obvious from that comment (and that Needy kissed back instead of being passive, letting herself just be kissed by Jennifer) that they experimented this way before.
[side note: When they switched to the close-up kissing both I wondered if it was really Megan and Amanda, or a couple of stand-ins swapping spit. After the movie my gf said she thought the same thing.]
Megan's tits had very little screen time. You'll need to freeze-frame the DVD to get a good look. And the fact that she didn't really reveal anything else in any other scene I'd say anyone who went to this to catch some of Megan nude must have been very disappointed.
09/21/09
09/19/09
09/20/09
It's not "hate" for Diablo Cody; it's fatigue and skepticism at her being the Next Big Thing. Same goes for Megan Fox.
09/20/09
Judged on its own merits, it's not a bad movie. It's not Scream or Nightmare on Elm Street but I was entertained.
09/20/09
09/20/09
The thing is, I'm not a huge fan of horror movies anyway, so I wouldn't be inclined to see this one. But suffice it to say that most horror movies don't get a big reception at the Toronto Film Festival (unless they're by David Cronenburg)
09/19/09
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09/19/09
I saw it with a friend who sort of liked it, but not as much as I did, I think. I liked the general feel of the movie, and Megan Fox was bearable mostly because I think she was playing a character that was really similar to her own personality. I must say this, though: there was one scene when she was begging for her life that was really, really well done.
And I think I've probably talked too much. I'll shut up now.
09/19/09
eh, I think I'll pass.
haha, kidding. Actually, great review. This is the first time I have had interest in seing this movie. I like a woman vs. woman dynamic, especially in trashy films. It's one of the dynamics that I like in some 60s sexploitation films, especially films by Russ Meyer. In those films, the women aren't just meager eye candy, which a lot of people are wont to believe, but they have an animalistic raw power that leads them to be viral and in control. A lot of his work have a strong female antagonist and a weaker female protaganist who eventually learns to stop getting pushed around and fight back. The men in those films act like they are in charge but they are little more then moving scenery to the clash between women.
After reading your article, I feel like some of these themes exist in Jennifer's Body. I'll probably end up checking it out now.
09/19/09
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09/18/09
It was trashy, but fun. I laughed a lot and had a fun audience of immature teens who shrieked at the horror and wooped at the lesbian-y parts like immature teens are want to do. They sang along with the bad indie rock soundtrack and got a kick out of the surface level stuff. That added a little bit to my fun I think because it reminded me of seeing teen horror movies in theaters as a teen in the 90's. It was a lot like seeing Scream again.
Thinly veiled in the spirit of all the best 80's horror movies but interesting none-the-less.
Realizing it now, it's a lot like The Craft in the 90's. That movie also took the toxic female relationship and played it out in the horror context pretty interestingly. And, again, it's a movie I went to see back in the day with a guy and we both realized we liked it for different reasons.
09/18/09
The teenspeak is a little distracting but it fits "zombie-mannequin, robot-statue" but the standouts are definitely Megan and Amanda. Great dynamic between the 2, and Fox's acting isn't atrocious.
09/18/09
I think you make a good point about about it being about female relationships, but the medium in which that moral is layered is such a trashy one. I'm sorry that I will miss out on what sounds like an interesting discussion of theme and allegory, but...I just can't deal with such thin, gratuitous subject matter. I hope Megan can fathom one day to be in a real dramatic film since she seems to have some actual acting skill.
09/19/09
09/18/09
I know it may be worthy of its own article somewhere else, but could you elaborate a teensy bit on how feminism fits in with this movie specifically at least, Annalee?
09/18/09
09/18/09
One of the goals of feminism has been to show that female-female relationships can be just as important as male ones. And I think this movie is brutally, humorously honest about one failure mode in women's relationships.
09/18/09
09/18/09
Your point about female/female relationships as a feminist is taken well, but I guess the failure part makes it difficult for me to be as accepting of that in this example.
I know that your thing below was probably more of a toss-off or you would have included it in the article. The point wasn't to corner you on it, I was legitimately curious, thanks!
09/18/09
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09/21/09
09/18/09
09/18/09
09/18/09
Aside from the fact that it's not science fiction, it's frakin horror... it may contain enlightened social commentary, but after that infamous Transformers film crew letter, I'm done with this chick. Ignorance is not sexy. If I wanna see titties, I'll stream me some Ashlynn Brooke or Giana Michaels.
09/18/09
09/18/09
09/19/09
You do realise sites like io9 get either paid or the promise of access to do reviews, right? That's how things like this go. Jennifers Body is not really a film within this sites purview, is it. But, like that Repo Genetic Opera with Paris Hilton in it we all got tired of being spammed with here a while back, and other bits and pieces of off-kilter promotion, the men in suits believe there's enough cross pollination to use a sci-fi site for marketing fairly unrelated things.
The thing that annoys me isn't that our sites get used for marketing. It's that you still get clouds of anusburgers posting happily and oblivious in the comments proving the men in suits right.
09/19/09
09/19/09