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Good list - I'll have to check out "Robot Stories" and "The Sleep Dealer" - and I totally agree with you about Serenity, not least because I saw it before I had ever seen "Firefly" and loved it.
But for the last time, "Donnie Darko" is not well-constructed. It is in fact very badly constructed. WHERE DOES THE JET ENGINE COME FROM? I know it falls through a rip in space and time to land on Donnie's house where it doesn't kill him, but when he closes the rip, how does it fall on his house and kill him for real? Isn't the tangent universe closed? Drives me nuts. Worse than the "Ocean's 11" heist scene (how do they get the money out of the bank vault, guys? Really watch it next time).
That's a lot of movies. That's almost 2 movies per year!
Glad to see Primer on there. That was a movie I rented based on the cover and I loved how such a low-budget looking movie could be so convincingly good. I forgot what it was called, it's been a few years since I've seen it. I'd like to see that one again.
Can't wait for Moon to be on DVD so I can see what the fuss was all about.
And although technically it's fantasy, I think a prequel could have been put up there. Let's say ROTS, for being the most OT like SW prequel and having some legitimate drama, compared to the first two.
And I don't care what the haters say, Transformers 2 belongs up there, and in the years to come, will be seen as the subversive mind fuck it really was, not the movie that was mistakenly taken at face value by so many elitists.
I saw someone mention Children of Men... not sure what I think about that one. Dystopia doesn't sell me the way it used to. Still, it's a hard movie to not think about, and the subtle updating of tech was impressive, as it wasn't marketed as a film with many special effects, but they were there, in a real-world "this is exactly what it would like" type of way.
And, Spielberg deserves a mention. Minority Report is a movie I watch maybe once a year, holds up quite well.
I'm sure I'll think of way more movies that could have been added soon.
@cylon_conspiracy: Could you possibly explain your TF2 analysis for me? Because as one of the few people who didn't hate it (didn't love it but shit blew up in entertaining ways, so i won't complain) I'd be interested to know.
@cylon_conspiracy: The Matrix came out in 1999. AI was so all over the place that I fell asleep and found out there were aliens. Minority Report should be up there and since io9 mentions Outlander so much, I'm surprised it's not up there.
I may be regretting asking this, but how can you say Rise of the Fallen was subversive when it was created by and for the elites that watered down Transformers to a shell of its source material. They replace sparks with an never-ending explosion and cliches.
@TemporalOutLaw: I liked the cartoon as a kid but I wasn't in love with it. It was a toy commercial masquerading as a tv show, like every cartoon/toy hybrid series of that time.
Just my two cents, but while Slither is an entertaining horror film with some sci fi plot elements, it's hardly a science fiction film. Nor is the Dark Knight, really, which only has Batman's tech as the SciFi connection.
Children of Men, like everyone has said, is easily one of the top films of the decade. How no one at io9 thought it worthy of inclusion here is a bit maddening.
Also, I don't agree that Donnie Darko has aged well. Maybe it's because the Director's Cut ruins the film for me. I'd toss out Time Crimes as a better alternative.
Another vote for Children Of Men. Would also suggest The Fountain, the Solaris remake, and 2046 (whether it counts as sci-fi or not) . And I thought (in blasphemy?) that 28 Weeks Later was better than Days...
@Muckley: Wong Kar-wai is my favorite director, but I often overlook 2046 when thinking about genre cinema. It certainly has aspects of sci-fi, and in that regard would qualify.
I'm with you on 28 WEEKS to an extent. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's a better movie than 28 DAYS, but it's certainly more intense.
That link should make it nice and easy for anyone to add these titles to their Netflix queue. As I mentioned below, some are even IW, which makes catching up even easier.
@dicksson: Damn, flashback. It's crazy how you forget a movie until you're reminded of it. All I remember of that was some sad love story gone wrong with Tim Robbins. Might see it again.
@cylon_conspiracy: Tim Robbins and Samantha Morton. It's got a great "not too distant future" thing going on. It's been years for me but I remember really liking it the last time I saw it.
I always thought that Serenity might be a movie strictly for fans, but I've had many, many people (who aren't into sci-fi) bring the film up to me since it came out. To me, that is a success. A film that can appeal to hardcore nerds as well as "mainstream" types.
Also, the Incredibles is parody, not a ripoff. The whole movie is based on generic superhero prototypes and how that works as a family dynamic. It wasn't a film about powers, it was a film about how an otherwise normal family deals with powers. Not to mention the fact that the film was funny and regularly made jokes about the superhero genre. It was very self aware.
If you wanna call "ripoff" please direct your anger at Heroes instead. That show uses every basic storyline from X-men poorly, while the creator practically boasts about his lack of comic book knowledge.
[x] Children of Men. Everytime I watch it I have to watch it again, straight away. And since someone mentioned Idiocracy, I'd put it in instead of either the incredibles or wall-e.
@houdinination: yeah, i could have done with out the incredibles on this list for children of men. i'm just not a huge pixar fan. cept toy story. that is pure gold.
@Smurf-Revenge: I'm not sure GitS:I is better than GitS. It's certainly a more philosophical and introspective film, but I think Mamoru Oshii got hung up on the philosophies of it all in the same way The Wachowski's did with the last two MATRIX films.
@Allen_Richards: Excellent comparison. But at the same time there were some beautiful scenes in that last Matrix flick (re: the widescreen shots of the machines invading Zion). And I actually like The Innocence because I actually respect Oshii's search for "deeper" implications of artifical intelligence and consciousness (even though there was far less action).The Stand Alone series really turned inward with the whole Laughing Man scenario. But at the same time, the new self-awareness of the tachikomas and the hunting-down of Section 9 provided a good balance between theory and excellent action scenes.
Am I the only one who didn't like The Host? I rented it after hearing all the hype about it and honestly don't have a clue what everyone liked about it. It's OK, but Cloverfield was much more fun and original feeling.
I agree with most of those, though feel it's a crime against sci-fi that nobody else has mentioned The Fountain and the ultimate dystopian gun-fu flick (and role that almost certainly earned Bale the part of Batman) Equilibrium.
I'd also give honorable mention to Children of Men, Time Crimes, Revenger's Tragedy, Special and Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (which was quite good, just not as good as every version that came before)
@bluehinter: I keep hearing about how great Equilibrium is. I'm going to have to procure a copy of said video and watch it. I've seen bits and pieces but never the whole thing...
@bluehinter: The only thing worse than putting The Fountain on that list, would be putting Primer on that....excuse me? It IS on that list? Ugh. Talk about a full feature film BEGGING to be a 15 minute short. Interesting premise aside, the film is damn-near unwatchable. And Charlie wants us to watch it TWICE??
Children of Men however WAS a perfect film. Can't believe Avatar (which hasn't even been released yet) has been inducted, and this Cuaron gem gets pushed aside.
@Andy Neil: Primer happens to be one of my all-time favorite movies (I'd even go so far as to say it was the best sci-fi movie of the decade, period.) but it's obviously not for everyone.
I'm an old school physics geek, who used to hang out with people like Aaron and Abe. (actually, one of them's over at the LHC right now)
The fact that most people only understand a fraction of their technical jargon should in no way hamper their enjoyment of this film, but then again, I happen to like stories that see people thrust into a completely unknown situation, who must then try to figure out what the hell's going on, rather than just blowing shit up.
@bluehinter:
this -- "stories that see people thrust into a completely unknown situation, who must then try to figure out what the hell's going on" -- is also why i have a fond place in my heart for Primer, and also how i experienced the first Matrix. i cannot understand those who willingly abandon such wonder.
clearly, i'm a "no spoilers" kind of gal. i've been pretty lucky to have friends who try to respect that.
the guys in Primer could be using Trek-speak, "put this tech in the tech," for all i care (though i do appreciate even the veneer of credibility, and i was pleased to recognize a bit of the argot); it's a tersely-paced movie, in the vein of the best noir. some people don't like being forced to wait, and listen, and frankly, think. it is a very quiet movie; it's also very philosophical.
plus, i have mondo respect for the production aspect of it -- $7k, trained himself, got his family and friends to do tech stuff and act, his mom catered (how cute is that!?)
@birdtongue: It's also a classic example of the "Less is More" approach to screenwriting.
That's why I happen to love the old Quatermass movies, shows like The Outer Limits and Twilight Zone, and more recently, the Steven Moffat's episodes of Doctor Who.
A big bug-eyed monster jumping out of the closet is scary... once.
But learning that there's something dangerous lurking in the shadows... You can't see it, you can't stop it, and it has just become aware of you... that's the kind of nightmare fodder that just keeps on giving.
12/18/09
But for the last time, "Donnie Darko" is not well-constructed. It is in fact very badly constructed. WHERE DOES THE JET ENGINE COME FROM? I know it falls through a rip in space and time to land on Donnie's house where it doesn't kill him, but when he closes the rip, how does it fall on his house and kill him for real? Isn't the tangent universe closed? Drives me nuts. Worse than the "Ocean's 11" heist scene (how do they get the money out of the bank vault, guys? Really watch it next time).
12/16/09
Glad to see Primer on there. That was a movie I rented based on the cover and I loved how such a low-budget looking movie could be so convincingly good. I forgot what it was called, it's been a few years since I've seen it. I'd like to see that one again.
Can't wait for Moon to be on DVD so I can see what the fuss was all about.
And although technically it's fantasy, I think a prequel could have been put up there. Let's say ROTS, for being the most OT like SW prequel and having some legitimate drama, compared to the first two.
And I don't care what the haters say, Transformers 2 belongs up there, and in the years to come, will be seen as the subversive mind fuck it really was, not the movie that was mistakenly taken at face value by so many elitists.
I saw someone mention Children of Men... not sure what I think about that one. Dystopia doesn't sell me the way it used to. Still, it's a hard movie to not think about, and the subtle updating of tech was impressive, as it wasn't marketed as a film with many special effects, but they were there, in a real-world "this is exactly what it would like" type of way.
And, Spielberg deserves a mention. Minority Report is a movie I watch maybe once a year, holds up quite well.
I'm sure I'll think of way more movies that could have been added soon.
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A.I. (probably my favorite sci-fi of the decade)
Watchmen
Unbreakable
Matrix
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I may be regretting asking this, but how can you say Rise of the Fallen was subversive when it was created by and for the elites that watered down Transformers to a shell of its source material. They replace sparks with an never-ending explosion and cliches.
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I remember liking MASK more.
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Children of Men, like everyone has said, is easily one of the top films of the decade. How no one at io9 thought it worthy of inclusion here is a bit maddening.
Also, I don't agree that Donnie Darko has aged well. Maybe it's because the Director's Cut ruins the film for me. I'd toss out Time Crimes as a better alternative.
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Of course, Batman Begins had supernatural elements so could be considered sci-fi.
Wonder if Nolan will bring those elements back next time around.
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I'm with you on 28 WEEKS to an extent. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's a better movie than 28 DAYS, but it's certainly more intense.
12/15/09
[www.netflix.com]
That link should make it nice and easy for anyone to add these titles to their Netflix queue. As I mentioned below, some are even IW, which makes catching up even easier.
Hope it helps!
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Also, the Incredibles is parody, not a ripoff. The whole movie is based on generic superhero prototypes and how that works as a family dynamic. It wasn't a film about powers, it was a film about how an otherwise normal family deals with powers. Not to mention the fact that the film was funny and regularly made jokes about the superhero genre. It was very self aware.
If you wanna call "ripoff" please direct your anger at Heroes instead. That show uses every basic storyline from X-men poorly, while the creator practically boasts about his lack of comic book knowledge.
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I'd also give honorable mention to Children of Men, Time Crimes, Revenger's Tragedy, Special and Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (which was quite good, just not as good as every version that came before)
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Children of Men however WAS a perfect film. Can't believe Avatar (which hasn't even been released yet) has been inducted, and this Cuaron gem gets pushed aside.
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I'm an old school physics geek, who used to hang out with people like Aaron and Abe. (actually, one of them's over at the LHC right now)
The fact that most people only understand a fraction of their technical jargon should in no way hamper their enjoyment of this film, but then again, I happen to like stories that see people thrust into a completely unknown situation, who must then try to figure out what the hell's going on, rather than just blowing shit up.
12/16/09
this -- "stories that see people thrust into a completely unknown situation, who must then try to figure out what the hell's going on" -- is also why i have a fond place in my heart for Primer, and also how i experienced the first Matrix. i cannot understand those who willingly abandon such wonder.
clearly, i'm a "no spoilers" kind of gal. i've been pretty lucky to have friends who try to respect that.
the guys in Primer could be using Trek-speak, "put this tech in the tech," for all i care (though i do appreciate even the veneer of credibility, and i was pleased to recognize a bit of the argot); it's a tersely-paced movie, in the vein of the best noir. some people don't like being forced to wait, and listen, and frankly, think. it is a very quiet movie; it's also very philosophical.
plus, i have mondo respect for the production aspect of it -- $7k, trained himself, got his family and friends to do tech stuff and act, his mom catered (how cute is that!?)
12/16/09
That's why I happen to love the old Quatermass movies, shows like The Outer Limits and Twilight Zone, and more recently, the Steven Moffat's episodes of Doctor Who.
A big bug-eyed monster jumping out of the closet is scary... once.
But learning that there's something dangerous lurking in the shadows... You can't see it, you can't stop it, and it has just become aware of you... that's the kind of nightmare fodder that just keeps on giving.