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    Image of Darklighter Darklighter
    11/26/09

    In reply to Six Things I'm Thankful For In Science Fiction
    I'm thankful for Moon, Star Trek, and District 9 for their smart, big-screen sci-fi. I'm thankful for Zombieland making me laugh for two hours (wear your seat belt). I'm thankful for Netflix letting me binge-watch all of the new Doctor Who and Torchwood.
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    Image of Bill-Lee Bill-Lee
    11/26/09

    In reply to Six Things I'm Thankful For In Science Fiction
    I'm thankful I'm not a parent to a teenage girl. Explaining why daddy thinks Twilight is reprehensible crap to a hormonal 13 year old would be too much hassle.
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    Image of Cptn.Rhodes Cptn.Rhodes
    11/26/09

    @Bill-Lee: second.
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    Image of Rhainor Rhainor
    12:02 AM

    @Bill-Lee: Seconded.
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    Image of txtphile txtphile
    11/26/09

    In reply to Six Things I'm Thankful For In Science Fiction
    Gotta chime in with the SC2 love. After 47 years in development, and even if it's more like Daikatana 2, it will still delight. If only because the waiting is finally over...

    And yeah, the story, replete with space marines, an ancient, declining race of superscience and telepathic powers, and evil hive-mind insects, is somehow NOT tired and dull. Can't wait.
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    Image of Bill-Lee Bill-Lee
    11/26/09

    In reply to Six Things I'm Thankful For In Science Fiction
    I'll believe Starcraft II is "coming" when I see it on store shelves. After the Starcraft: Ghost fiasco, I'm not sure I can trust Blizzard to actually release it -- more than a decade after the original.
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    Image of Aidan_ Aidan_
    11/26/09

    In reply to Six Things I'm Thankful For In Science Fiction
    Except for the stuff about Transformers (which I liked, and apparently that makes me some kind of geek heretic), I'm right there with ya.
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    Image of cylon_conspiracy cylon_conspiracy
    11/26/09

    In reply to Six Things I'm Thankful For In Science Fiction
    I enjoyed Transformers, Dark Knight, Star Trek, and District 9. Of all those films, I saw Star Trek and District 9 twice in the theaters. And I own Dark Knight on DVD and have seen it a few times. But, please don't tell anyone, I had a lot of fun at Transformers as well. I guess that just makes me a fucking idiot.

    For every finger pointing at a stupid sci-fi fan, there are three pointing back at a snob, and a thumb indicating the direction your nose should be pointing to.

    The sci-fi snobs are the reason that some of the more "cerebral" films never make it--because you're snobby about them too. You nitpick to increase your own sense of superiority, deliberately missing films that are smarter than TF2, and the entire genre suffers, because studios are convinced that fans won't support those films.

    Case in point: V getting four episodes. (I realize it's a t.v show--but you get my point.) I don't fault the "unwashed masses" for seeing Transformers. I fault the snobby, sci-fi elitists for making the projects they claim to love so difficult to get off the ground.

    Quit giving the rest of us a bad name. I would have liked to see another Watchmen type film. Thanks to you guys, it ain't gonna happen.

    This holiday season, I'm thankful that all the previously mentioned films were successful, because it shows that despite your best efforts, entertaining movies can still be successful. Some of the time, at least.
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    Edited by cylon_conspiracy at 11/26/09 7:37 PM cylon_conspiracy was starred cylon_conspiracy was unstarred
    Image of Fuji-kun Fuji-kun
    11/26/09

    @cylon_conspiracy: i didn't like transformer cause it lasted 3 hours and was supposed to be an awesome movie. but it is not wrong to like it cause it is a really hard movie to make. to say it is bad is just a judgement, and i think it is wrong to say that. i just didn't like it, but not cause i am better than the movie's target or anything like that.
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    Image of cylon_conspiracy cylon_conspiracy
    11/26/09

    @Fuji-kun: I agree. I don't care if people hate Transformers. Say it's a stupid movie, that Bay is the spawn of the devil... that really doesn't bother me. But to insult every single person who saw that movie as being some moron who has questionable taste? That seems a little extreme to me.
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    Edited by cylon_conspiracy at 11/26/09 9:40 PM cylon_conspiracy was starred cylon_conspiracy was unstarred
    Image of Alasdair Wilkins Alasdair Wilkins
    11/26/09

    @cylon_conspiracy: To be fair, that's not really what I said. I've got no issue with people liking Transformers, although I'll readily admit that I don't understand the appeal *at all.* (Even the trailer bored the hell out of me.) But whatever - that's just me, and I don't expect the world to share my tastes.

    All I was getting at is that the success of Transformers is not a good argument to suggest that moviegoing audiences are looking for smart, quality* films, while the success of films like The Dark Knight, Star Trek, and District 9 does tend to suggest that. There are plenty of valid reasons to have gone to see Transformers 2, most of them having to do with the "pure escapism" angle. I don't have any issue with that, and I don't criticize people for liking the movie. Life's way, way too short to go around hating everything, and I generally try to enjoy as much entertainment as I can.

    My entire (and admittedly very unscientific) point was just that the success of those three movies suggest there is a place for intelligent science fiction movies not only to survive, but to thrive. The success of the Transformers movies, which I think are generally agreed to be openly (even proudly) stupid movies, stands as a counter to that, and I felt I should address that. Although I suppose I could argue the generally lukewarm to negative word of mouth for Transformers 2 might support my claim that audiences are starting to expect more from their science fiction.

    *Yes, that's a really vague term to use.
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    Image of cylon_conspiracy cylon_conspiracy
    11/26/09

    @Alasdair Wilkins: I appreciate the response. I've just sort of hit the boiling point with the anti-TF2 talk... more often than not, the criticism here (and pretty much all genre sites-not unique to io9) against the film always includes criticism against the audience. I haven't seen a genre film inspire so much absolute hatred since The Phantom Menace (seems to me they share a spot as the two most polarizing genre films in the last decade).

    As a genre fan, who actually enjoys a wide range of films, big-budget or low budget, I guess I get a little insulted when my "taste" is questioned just because I liked one movie. I'm a fan of creativity. TF2 was a trainwreck to a lot of folks, but to me it was a fascinating trainwreck (if that makes sense). I think it's been taken at face value, when in my opinion, it's actually a bit subversive, and in a good way.

    It was not the greatest film of all time, but it wasn't the worst either.

    But beyond that, there's just a sense of elitism in the fan community and for some reason, it just bugs me. Star Trek for instance... was that movie not bashed unmercifully ever since we got the first images of the cast on set? There's no consensus that it was a successful film from an artistic standpoint... lots of ST fans think it's just a bubblegum version of a show that raped the memory of Gene. JJ hate is pretty equal to Bay hate.

    And you can extend that to TDK and D9 as well.... some think TDK was one of the most overrated films ever, and some think D9 is just a hodgepodge made up of scenes of sci-fi classics it was ripping off. But one thing we have in common is we love this stuff in general... and we have more in common than not. I think fans forget that sometimes.

    So.... basically just letting off steam. Seems to me genre fans can sometimes be their worst enemies. Attack the show, not the viewer I guess is my main point.

    Take care.
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    Edited by cylon_conspiracy at 11/26/09 11:10 PM cylon_conspiracy was starred cylon_conspiracy was unstarred
    Image of octaslash octaslash
    11/26/09

    In reply to Six Things I'm Thankful For In Science Fiction
    I'm sure it's FOX's fault for those Dollhouse episodes that were in "case-of-the-week" format, but that doesn't excuse the terrible writing.

    Thankfully, things picked up in the second half of the season.
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    Image of PostMarque PostMarque
    11/26/09

    In reply to Six Things I'm Thankful For In Science Fiction
    +5 Geek Cred

    redeemable for 3 intranet tub uncloggers
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    Image of Lassus Lassus
    11/26/09

    In reply to Six Things I'm Thankful For In Science Fiction
    I'm thankful for that Castle clip! I had only seen the graveyard one before on io9, and as I'd sooner drink paint than watch another procedural I missed the awesomeness of the dialogue in this one. "Didn't you wear that one five years ago?" THANK YOU, ALASDAIR.

    I'm also thankful for the other Alastair, Reynolds - although I'd be more thankful if I didn't have to wait so long for a USA mass-market paperback of "House of Suns".

    I'm thankful for the animated film "9". It was too short, and not perfect, but still beautiful.

    I'm mostly thankful this year for being exposed to Iaiaiiaain Banks and the Culture universe, which I now am absolutely convinced I live in, and it makes me feel better and even more human.

    Lastly, I'm thankful for io9, for reminding me that the infinite is fun as well as wondrous.
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    Image of Mav Mav
    11/26/09

    In reply to Six Things I'm Thankful For In Science Fiction
    I'm thankful Farscape finally got released at a decent price and in a box set and that the webisodes are close to (hopefully) being finalised.
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    Image of Elizabeth Weinbloom Elizabeth Weinbloom
    11/26/09

    In reply to Six Things I'm Thankful For In Science Fiction
    I am thankful for Doctor Who having been nonexistent all semester so I could get work done. I am thankful for Doctor Who coming back next semester so I won't get work done. Win win!
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    Image of TotalFanGirl TotalFanGirl
    11/26/09

    In reply to Six Things I'm Thankful For In Science Fiction
    Every time I see that Nathan Fillion/Captain Tightpants scene I smile so wide it hurts!
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    Image of RandomFrequentFlierDent RandomFrequentFlierDent
    11/26/09

    In reply to Six Things I'm Thankful For In Science Fiction
    I'm thankful for the new Discworld book Terry Pratchett just put out, my complete 10 seasons of SG-1 I got for just over $100, the random friend of a friend who decided to put Firefly on at a party, TNG reruns, the fact that my new cable deal includes G4tech tv, that Chuck got a third season and it’s starting January 10th, downloadable content, for friends and family who are nearly as interested in Sci-fi as myself, and io9, which keeps me from annoying everyone else with my need to discuss all thing geeky.
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    Image of crashedpc - Haifisch crashedpc - Haifisch
    11/26/09

    In reply to Six Things I'm Thankful For In Science Fiction
    Me am thankful for io9, book, and food.
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    Image of acrobatic rabbit acrobatic rabbit
    11/26/09

    @crashedpc - Haifisch: me am too.
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    Image of Chip Overclock Chip Overclock
    11/26/09

    @acrobatic rabbit: Ditto.
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    Image of RandomFrequentFlierDent RandomFrequentFlierDent
    11/26/09

    @crashedpc - Haifisch: Well, if you're going to sum it all up nicely like that; me too.
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    Image of Dr Emilio Lizardo Dr Emilio Lizardo
    11/26/09

    @crashedpc - Haifisch: Me too. io9 has turned me on to a lot of things I would have missed otherwise.
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    Image of Davio Davio
    11/26/09

    In reply to Six Things I'm Thankful For In Science Fiction
    I'm thankful for this website. Its the only internet community I check every day, comment regularly and generally feel a part of.

    And it's brilliant!

    Also, that clip of Fillion made me smile so, so much. A nice end to the day!
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    Image of Chip Overclock Chip Overclock
    11/26/09

    @Davio: Ditto that too.
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