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I guess I wasn't all that bothered by quirky/weird Bennett, because, well, it's Summer Glau, and she's on a Joss Whedon show. What is she supposed to be...not weird?
Back when they revealed the existence of other Dollhouses, I wondered if the eventual course of the series would be the L.A. Dollhouse going rogue and taking on the other Dollhouses and whatever shadowy powers that be that were controlling the whole thing. It was an appealing thought, because the series at that point was just too bleak for my tastes. Our protagonists were either mind-wiped zombies or amoral pimps -- aside from Ballard, who was, frankly, kind of dull, there wasn't anyone to really root for or sympathize with. Not even Echo, since there really was no there there, as they say.
I thought at the time that the show could really grab me if they could somehow turn Adele and crew into (deeply flawed) heroes, and put the show into a more familiar Whedonesque groove of a quirkily intrepid band of Scoobies going up against a Big Bad. Yeah, just like every Whedon series, but dammit, this is what he does best, and it's why I love the guy. Plus, I just didn't see the series being able to sustain over multiple seasons without evolving out of its initial concept.
So, now it seems like the show is in fact moving in this direction, which is neat. This wasn't just a top-notch pair of episodes -- these were episodes that showed me how this series could actually move forward beyond the current season, and really engage my heart as well as my mind. Unfortunately, any satisfaction I feel is vastly overshadowed by one question for Mr. Joss Whedon: WHY THE HELL DIDN'T YOU DO THIS BACK IN SEASON ONE WHEN IT MIGHT HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE???
I have a feeling Microsoft just slapped their logo on a FOX produced commercial. I think that's the way the network sees this show, which is why it's been cancelled.
I saw the Senator Perrin twist coming. The whole white-knight thing was a bit too much to take.
I'm disappointed that Topher moved back towards being an asshole. He'd almost grown something resembling a conscience. On the other hand, Victopher was brilliant.
Well-done: choreographing the fight scene to match clips from earlier episodes.
Not well-done: Senator Perrin's penchant for bending Eliza Duskhu over a series of tables. The bathroom scene was particularly gratuitous; and maybe sexist for showing him removing her chip and not vice versa.
Oh, and I hope that now that November is going back to being a doll again they'll get rid of that ridiculous fucking tan.
It was awesome! First, the last thing I needed as a fangirl was a Victor/Topher. His scenes in the episode might beat his "Kiki" scenes.
Second, I originally thought that Madeline was a imprint on November soo that she could kill the senator but him being a doll was great too.
Bennet was great. She reminded me of a evil River/Topher/Adelle lovechild. She had her ticks, moral gray areas but still had kinda a slick headmistress feel about her (when she first popped up).
I'm actually sad that it's getting cancelled but it's better to get cancel with a bang.
You know, I might be the only person on the planet, but I have all sorts of love for Mellie/Madeline/November. I think her whole plot line was interesting and heartbreaking and deserved WAY more screen time.
I also wished they'd handled the Echo realizing she's a separate person from Caroline better.
I totally called the senator is a doll bit the moment it looked like his wife was a doll. It just seemed like it would be more twisted that way. So yeah.
On Summer Glau, completely and totally annoying. Why? Because this is just a slight readjustment of Cameron and River. I'm tired of seeing that. It's just played out. On Firefly, that's who she was, on TSCC well, she was a creepy Termmie who stole the personality of a real girl. Did she have to be nearly the same person for Dollhouse? I swear, she was better used in that episode of the big bang theory where she played herself.
Hell I'm actually kinda put off they used any sort of nerd cliche for the DC programmer.
I did give Topher an hand when he punched out Bennet. That was unexpected.
I loved the sheer complexity of the story development but what hinders me from being completely happy with the ep is that a lot of the dialogue --particularly from the Senator and his handler felt very stilted. Usually Dollhouse dialogue flows a bit like a graphic novel, but there seemed to be a lot of expositional dialogue that could have been conveyed without so much emphasis/explaining from the characters.
Summer Glau's scenes with everybody were phenomenal. Maybe I just like damaged, crazy characters, but watching her interact with the other crazies was a helluva lot of fun. Her neurosis and Topher-esque immorality added that much more to the character, so I didn't mind much that her vendetta against Echo/Caroline was rather contrived.
Enver Gjokaj stole the show though with his eerie impression of Topher. When an actor can accurately portray another actor's portrayal of a character, that's just...WIN.
@firstanointed: This strikes me as a good criticism. I admit that the overall idea, the acting, and the themes were all better than I thought they would be. It kept me around for the second hour.
However, the writing and dialogue was pretty meh. Topher's little limousine scene, the stuff between the senator and Echo, between Adelle and, er, the Devil, Bennett's assistant, there was a lot of the writing that was incredibly weak to my ears overall.
As one more positive, I actually thought that the actress playing the senator's wife/handler - Stacey Scowley - did a great job with her character, both as the devoted wife and sinister handler.
@Lassus: Yeah I agree. Stacey did a fantastic job convincingly pulling off the jarring duality of her character. Again though, the issue of the words she had to say sounding rather...wooden, I guess, detracted a bit from the performance, but otherwise she and the actor who portrayed the Senator too did good jobs.
I usually enjoy Dollhouse's dialogue with no problem, but it seemed off the usual mark for these two episodes. Thankfully the story itself was written very well.
The thing I noticed about the Caroline scene is that none of them match. All the previous times we've seen Echo she's presented to us a different way. Adelle's Caroline was a stubborn, silent type. Echo's Caroline was a feisty, anarchist. Now Bennett's Caroline is a totally manipulative jerk.
I think it's a mystery furthering the idea of who we are as seen through other people.
I disagree on Bennet's behavior. Her mannerisms - the repetition, the way she looked away from the people she was speaking to or would speak to herself - reminded me a lot of certain behaviors associated with autism. That actually made the character seem very real to me, though I'll grant that given that her background story with Caroline was frustratingly vague, it was unclear whether we were supposed to take it the way I did, or as a "she's turned psychotic because of the betrayal" thing. I don't really like the latter possibility so much, at least not as anything more than explanation as to what "compromised her morals," so to speak. And I didn't mind her creepy little soliloquies - I liked how her setting kind of contrasted with Topher's. And Topher believing her to be an active would've bothered me more if he didn't actually have reason to think that, considering he'd... just basically done that himself, and she fit pretty well in to the Whiskey mold.
Also, I was under the impression that Bennet basically decided from the moment they brought Echo in to let them both get away, as Perrin's handler would be the one set after him. She'd trigger the assassin mode so he'd kill them both, wake him after, and he'd do exactly what he did - and now they suddenly have this dead body to prove that he was the target of Rossum's enemies, and to fuel his imprinted ambition. Since he'd independently triggered the whole 'realizing he's a doll' thing and broke from the code he had with his handler, forcing him into a situation where he'd come back willingly might have been the better option than forcing it all back onto him. But that might be hitting convoluted. I just did get the impression that the how it turned out was Bennet's plan for it all along. Killing Echo just would've been a bonus.
Topher thinking Bennett was too hot to be smart barely registered a micron on the scale where he talks about Kilo before he frags her brain with his new disruptor. If this show ends without him dying in twisted pain, perhaps breaking his own back in the process, I won't be satisfied.
Positives? As already noted below, Enver Gjokaj acts circles around everyone in this show, while gleefully devouring scenery in the process. He was great.
@Lassus: Have you actually seen Epitaph One? As one who finds Topher's character almost irredeemable annoying and corrupt, I almost felt sorry for him by the end of the episode. He might not end up dead, but he certainly pays a price for his hubris.
One word: Victopher. And no, I don't mean the ship.
Why isn't the star of this show Enver Gjokaj? The guy can take any part and just sell it. I absolutely howled when he was revealed, and I don't think I ever stopped until the credits.
@CJG: Does that make me your BF? I called it at the same time. Was thinking it was possible before tho. I knew pretty quick that Dad was either a criminal that didnt have time for his new baby (dead mom) or that mom just died and he was still working through it.
I am curious what kind of engineering job he has that allows him to afford the mansion and price tag for Echo tho.
@justsomereportingguy: I would imagine that, to most viewers, the whole died-in-childbirth thing wasn't a surprise. It certainly wasn't to me or my sister.
Hrm... This episode bothered me quite a bit. I'm never keen on stereotypical "mother's instinct" stuff (there are many many women who end up feeling like inadequate mothers because of this forced notion) and thought that the aspect of motherhood was handled very stereotypical and too simple for a show that normally skews those kinds of roles.
The father baffled me. He was really gonna give the kid up for adoption? Yeah, cuz I'm sure that would have gone over well with friends and family and (presumably) whatever business contacts he has that makes him uber rich. And really, Adele was right WHY NOT just hire a nanny to keep the baby out of sight and out of mind? Hiring Echo seems odd and creepy especially when (presumably) given some of his wife's memories. (Assuming from her mentioning the honeymoon) Speaking of which... how is he explaining Echo's presence to said friends and family of either himself or his deceased wife? Surely if her family were around they'd be even more interested in this baby due to her death? There's so much "huh?" to this engagement like most of the non-prostitution jobs. I feel like they do these engagements to prove "Hey! Look! There's other things to hire a doll for then a really customizable prostitute!" When in actuality that's all a doll would probably be used for by the clients at least.
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Back when they revealed the existence of other Dollhouses, I wondered if the eventual course of the series would be the L.A. Dollhouse going rogue and taking on the other Dollhouses and whatever shadowy powers that be that were controlling the whole thing. It was an appealing thought, because the series at that point was just too bleak for my tastes. Our protagonists were either mind-wiped zombies or amoral pimps -- aside from Ballard, who was, frankly, kind of dull, there wasn't anyone to really root for or sympathize with. Not even Echo, since there really was no there there, as they say.
I thought at the time that the show could really grab me if they could somehow turn Adele and crew into (deeply flawed) heroes, and put the show into a more familiar Whedonesque groove of a quirkily intrepid band of Scoobies going up against a Big Bad. Yeah, just like every Whedon series, but dammit, this is what he does best, and it's why I love the guy. Plus, I just didn't see the series being able to sustain over multiple seasons without evolving out of its initial concept.
So, now it seems like the show is in fact moving in this direction, which is neat. This wasn't just a top-notch pair of episodes -- these were episodes that showed me how this series could actually move forward beyond the current season, and really engage my heart as well as my mind. Unfortunately, any satisfaction I feel is vastly overshadowed by one question for Mr. Joss Whedon: WHY THE HELL DIDN'T YOU DO THIS BACK IN SEASON ONE WHEN IT MIGHT HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE???
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I'm disappointed that Topher moved back towards being an asshole. He'd almost grown something resembling a conscience. On the other hand, Victopher was brilliant.
Well-done: choreographing the fight scene to match clips from earlier episodes.
Not well-done: Senator Perrin's penchant for bending Eliza Duskhu over a series of tables. The bathroom scene was particularly gratuitous; and maybe sexist for showing him removing her chip and not vice versa.
Oh, and I hope that now that November is going back to being a doll again they'll get rid of that ridiculous fucking tan.
05:32 PM
Second, I originally thought that Madeline was a imprint on November soo that she could kill the senator but him being a doll was great too.
Bennet was great. She reminded me of a evil River/Topher/Adelle lovechild. She had her ticks, moral gray areas but still had kinda a slick headmistress feel about her (when she first popped up).
I'm actually sad that it's getting cancelled but it's better to get cancel with a bang.
05:18 PM
I also wished they'd handled the Echo realizing she's a separate person from Caroline better.
04:21 PM
On Summer Glau, completely and totally annoying. Why? Because this is just a slight readjustment of Cameron and River. I'm tired of seeing that. It's just played out. On Firefly, that's who she was, on TSCC well, she was a creepy Termmie who stole the personality of a real girl. Did she have to be nearly the same person for Dollhouse? I swear, she was better used in that episode of the big bang theory where she played herself.
Hell I'm actually kinda put off they used any sort of nerd cliche for the DC programmer.
I did give Topher an hand when he punched out Bennet. That was unexpected.
04:16 PM
Summer Glau's scenes with everybody were phenomenal. Maybe I just like damaged, crazy characters, but watching her interact with the other crazies was a helluva lot of fun. Her neurosis and Topher-esque immorality added that much more to the character, so I didn't mind much that her vendetta against Echo/Caroline was rather contrived.
Enver Gjokaj stole the show though with his eerie impression of Topher. When an actor can accurately portray another actor's portrayal of a character, that's just...WIN.
04:32 PM
However, the writing and dialogue was pretty meh. Topher's little limousine scene, the stuff between the senator and Echo, between Adelle and, er, the Devil, Bennett's assistant, there was a lot of the writing that was incredibly weak to my ears overall.
As one more positive, I actually thought that the actress playing the senator's wife/handler - Stacey Scowley - did a great job with her character, both as the devoted wife and sinister handler.
09:12 PM
I usually enjoy Dollhouse's dialogue with no problem, but it seemed off the usual mark for these two episodes. Thankfully the story itself was written very well.
04:08 PM
03:44 PM
I think it's a mystery furthering the idea of who we are as seen through other people.
03:33 PM
Also, I was under the impression that Bennet basically decided from the moment they brought Echo in to let them both get away, as Perrin's handler would be the one set after him. She'd trigger the assassin mode so he'd kill them both, wake him after, and he'd do exactly what he did - and now they suddenly have this dead body to prove that he was the target of Rossum's enemies, and to fuel his imprinted ambition. Since he'd independently triggered the whole 'realizing he's a doll' thing and broke from the code he had with his handler, forcing him into a situation where he'd come back willingly might have been the better option than forcing it all back onto him. But that might be hitting convoluted. I just did get the impression that the how it turned out was Bennet's plan for it all along. Killing Echo just would've been a bonus.
03:29 PM
Positives? As already noted below, Enver Gjokaj acts circles around everyone in this show, while gleefully devouring scenery in the process. He was great.
09:26 PM
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(To be clear, no, I didn't see Epitaph One. But that seems far short of what's required, in my opinion.)
03:22 PM
Why isn't the star of this show Enver Gjokaj? The guy can take any part and just sell it. I absolutely howled when he was revealed, and I don't think I ever stopped until the credits.
10/05/09
10/05/09
I am curious what kind of engineering job he has that allows him to afford the mansion and price tag for Echo tho.
10/06/09
10/04/09
The father baffled me. He was really gonna give the kid up for adoption? Yeah, cuz I'm sure that would have gone over well with friends and family and (presumably) whatever business contacts he has that makes him uber rich. And really, Adele was right WHY NOT just hire a nanny to keep the baby out of sight and out of mind? Hiring Echo seems odd and creepy especially when (presumably) given some of his wife's memories. (Assuming from her mentioning the honeymoon) Speaking of which... how is he explaining Echo's presence to said friends and family of either himself or his deceased wife? Surely if her family were around they'd be even more interested in this baby due to her death? There's so much "huh?" to this engagement like most of the non-prostitution jobs. I feel like they do these engagements to prove "Hey! Look! There's other things to hire a doll for then a really customizable prostitute!" When in actuality that's all a doll would probably be used for by the clients at least.