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Jes St.Lawrence
07:12 AM

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"with various abilities who are brought together to save Earth"

Wow, that sucks already.
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Scaramanga9
09:08 AM

@Jes St.Lawrence:
Which part? This IS the basic plot of Seven Samurai (as well as a whole slew of well-regarded films that have used the same exact storyline.)
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Jes St.Lawrence
09:13 AM

@Scaramanga9: Exactly.
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cletar
12/09/09

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I think Cameron should take his Avatar winnings and make a 200 million dollar Plan Ten from Outer Space. I have a Plan Ten script that I wrote for a creative writing class that I'll sell him for, oh, ten million or so.
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firstanointed
06:37 PM

@cletar: Nah, I think he should remake The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai.
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TotalFanGirl
12/09/09

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Will someone please do something about Cameron? Really, just make him go away. Can't one of you manage that? There has to be a geek on here with some sort of partially tested transporter that could beam him to the bottom of the ocean.
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Blue_Thark
12/09/09

@TotalFanGirl: *Tsk* Oh come on already. Have you actually seen Avatar yet? Has anyone on the Interwebs with this much snark actually even seen the bloody picture in its entirety? If you have, then of course I apologize for this. But jeebus cripes, if you're like most of us and haven't seen the full film please reserve judgment at least somewhat. I don't care how bad the buzz/anti-hype/backlash is or how terrible the movie might actually be - no director deserves this much flack for a film that no one's even seen yet.

Once it's out you can shit on him all you want. But if any sci-fi director deserves a fair chance, it's Cameron. Sure he made Titanic, and sure he may be a bit of an asshat these days... But let's be fair, this is the man who made T2 and Aliens. For those two feats alone he has the right to make shitty, derivative, overblown sci-fi movies for the rest of his life in my book.
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TotalFanGirl
07:50 AM

@Blue_Thark: Uh, did I actually mention Avatar in a negative way? Nope. No Avatar. This isn't even an Avatar thread. I mentioned Cameron. His overblown sense of self-importance I find utterly annoying. It's not his movies, it's the way he promotes himself as creating epic works we simply must see. I have no idea if I'll like Avatar, but I'll let you know when I do see it. Cameron, however, I am tired of, regardless of how good or bad Avatar may be.
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Blue_Thark
08:05 AM

@TotalFanGirl: Errrr... Yeah. I should really apologize for going off on you like that. The general trend of the other comments, it seemed to me, was basically "anything Cameron makes in the future will suck, because Cameron sucks, because Avatar sucks." I guess I singled yours out because it was the most direct in its distaste, despite the fact you weren't referring to any particular movie.

I really need to learn not to post when it's late and cold and I'm super-tired and curmudgeonly. Sorry.
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Scaramanga9
09:10 AM

@TotalFanGirl: Uhhh but doesn't he generally create epic movies? So you're upset that he does what he sets out to do? I'm not sure I understand this sort of criticism.
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TotalFanGirl
07:11 PM

@Blue_Thark: Let he who has never posted when overtired throw the first stone. No problem, dude. Now go drink some warm milk and take a good nap :)
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TotalFanGirl
07:17 PM

@Scaramanga9: No, no, no. I'll say it again....it's not all his movies that I don't like, it's him. Some of his movies are great and some not so much, but he always bills them as these incredible, life-changing, earth shattering events that you can't possible miss because he and he alone has managed to create a masterpiece no other could hope to create. It's not the epic movies that bug me, it's the epic ego.
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CmdrHunt (aka Clarence Colton)
12/09/09

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James Cameron, shame on you for rebooting Seven Samurai for Western audiences... as if the Japanese original was not great enough. btw, I own the criterion dvd version of it. Love it!

What next Zatoichi? Kamen Rider?
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capnrob
12/09/09

@CmdrHunt (aka Clarence Colton): Uh, so, what's the problem with doing another Seven Samurai-style film, again? It's not like it hasn't been done before. It's not even as if the company that owns the rights to Seven Samurai *itself* hasn't whored it out wherever it can - _Samurai 7_, the Seven Samurai 2020 pinball game (or whatever it's called), the Seven Samurai-In-Thailand thing that keeps getting talked about.... and then there's _The Magnificent Seven_, the sequels and tie-ins to *that*, the miniserieses and serieses and so on and so forth.

Heck, Cameron's been *associated* with a Seven Samurai remake before - Corman's _Battle Beyond The Stars_, as model maker and effects artist.

I think Ebert's right in claiming that _Seven Samurai_ is probably the first getting-the-team-together-to-go-on-a-mission film, and, as such, even films such as (the newer) _Ocean's Eleven) count as versions of Kurosawa's original. T'ain't nothing new to do another riff on the same idea, I b'leeve.
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Bill-Lee
12/09/09

@CmdrHunt (aka Clarence Colton): You've never heard of the Magnificent Seven?
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neorandomizer
12/09/09

@CmdrHunt (aka Clarence Colton): What do you think the movie from 1960 The Magnificent Seven is
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CmdrHunt (aka Clarence Colton)
12/09/09

@neorandomizer: @Bill-Lee: Ah yes, I forgot about the Yul Brenner and Steve McQueen classic.

Just a little upset is all... why keep bringing it back? Just leave something that ain't broke alone.
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Pants McCracky
05:56 AM

@CmdrHunt (aka Clarence Colton): I'm generally OK with the idea of remakes and adaptations. If anything, I think the more often a movie is remade, the more cachet it lends the original. A really great tale has universal appeal and enough depth to lend itself to many interpretations, so I think it's actually a tribute to a story when it resonates so deeply with people that they want to retell the story again and again. Look what Kurosawa himself did with his incredible Shakespeare adaptations!

I can totally relate to feeling protective about beloved classics, but I also think it's interesting to see how the same basic story gets interpreted by different artists, generations and cultures.
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Scaramanga9
09:12 AM

@capnrob: Whoah, why are you guys leaving out that cinematic classic: A Bugs Life?!?
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capnrob
10:20 AM

@Scaramanga9: Enh, mostly because, while the setup is the same - villagers defending against raiders who will come at a certain time - A Bug's Life doesn't include the assembling-the-team thing - if we let A Bug's Life in, we'll have to include The Dirty Dozen in as well, and then it just gets confusing.
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Belabras
12/09/09

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And it would be better than the original how?
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Sleepyhead
12/09/09

@Belabras: Color?
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Belabras
12/09/09

@Sleepyhead:
Touche
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Srynerson
12/09/09

@Belabras: Half hour shorter? Wait, this is Cameron we're talking about, never mind.
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dabismail001
12/09/09

@Belabras: It would be more Cameronier.
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mattycakes
12/09/09

@Sleepyhead: Nonsense. I think the B&W looks just dandy. I probably wouldn't say I want all my movies to be devoid of color, but I can't imagine movies like The Seven Samurai, Casablanca, etc in color.

And even movies nowadays, that through careful thought and planning pull of the whole movie in B&W (exhibit A: Goodnight and Good Luck) I think it's a very tasteful and stylish choice.
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Belabras
12/09/09

@mattycakes:
I would argue that 7 Samurai or Casablanca (0r Big Sleep and Maltese Falcon for that matter) are good whether they are in color or b&w. When the story is good presentation becomes less important.
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mattycakes
12/09/09

@Belabras: When the story is good presentation becomes less important.

I think all directors nowadays need to have this tattooed on their arm.

One could also argue we're only nostalgic for the B&W because that's the way it was originally presented, and it would be difficult to imagine it in color. I would probably fall into that category, whether I like it or not. It's difficult to buck a preconceived notion.

Who knows? Maybe 20 years from now when everything is in 3D, people will be debating and saying "Oh man, back when everything was on screens, it was just better, bro. None of this holographic bullshit, it just rocked man!"
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Bill-Lee
12/09/09

@Belabras: You do realize that the original itself was inspired by American Westerns?
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Supernatural_Canary
07:47 AM

@Bill-Lee: This is true.

And I love how Kurosawa was influenced by American westerns at a time when the western genre was in decline in American theaters. For years the western languished at the box office. Then Italian directors saw Kurosawa's samurai films and used them as a model to reinvigorate the western.

It's a perfect example of cross-pollination of culture and art.
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Hamslicer
12/09/09

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We need an Alien Legion movie, or better yet, miniseries.
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capnrob
12/09/09

@Hamslicer: We're getting one, last I heard. Disney's working on it with Bruckheimer.
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Pants McCracky
05:57 AM

@capnrob: You had me then you saddened me.
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capnrob
06:59 AM

@Pants McCracky: I live to crush dreams. It's my thing.
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dry-roasted-peanuts
12/09/09

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Damn it. I really want him to revist Piranha... IN SPACE!
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Demonbird
12/09/09

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Maybe you should see if Avatar doesn't explode on takeoff first Mr. Cameron.
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Bill-Lee
12/09/09

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So it'll be a "live action" Samurai 7?
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Rasselas
12/09/09

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Technically, it's just "Seven Samurai." Even more technically, six samurai and my main man Kikuchiyo.
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schrodingers-katana
12/09/09

@Rasselas: Though, one could argue that through his actions and heroics throughout the storyline, Kiku is later 'promoted' to samurai, thus making the title accurate. Or not, it's really up to you and your personal preference. Gotta keep it like Switzerland in my heart (which also hates minarets with a passion)!
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Rasselas
12/09/09

@schrodingers-katana: Well, yes.
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cletar
12/09/09

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So, the guy who wrote Ghost Rider and Alien v Predator is going to re-write Battle Beyond the Stars?

Uh, no thanks.
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schrodingers-katana
12/09/09

@cletar: Agreed.
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zerofritz
12/09/09

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so he's remaking Star Wars?

(attention grognards: yes, i know, 'Hidden Fortress' moreso, but still)
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The Ultimate Tea Cup
12/09/09

@zerofritz: He's not remaking "Star Wars", he's remaking "Battle Beyond the Stars".
[www.imdb.com]
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zerofritz
12/09/09

@The Ultimate Tea Cup: oh, sweet moses, why?
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hwilam
12/09/09

@zerofritz: So he can fix what he screwed up the first time:

According to Wikipedia, "Roger Corman hired James Cameron as a model maker in his studio... Cameron became responsible for the special effects in Battle Beyond the Stars... This was Cameron's first "big break" in the entertainment industry, and it helped propel his career... Cameron was detail-obsessed to the point of micro-managing every little detail."

The Dog always returns to its Vomit.
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Dr Emilio Lizardo
12/09/09

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Why not, John Sturges already launched them into the southwest 50 years ago.
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I3ob the Lizard
12/09/09

@Dr Emilio Lizardo: Toshifumi Takizawa already did a futuristic version of the Seven Samurai called Samurai 7 in 2004. Very good series, kept close to it's roots.

A Bug's Life could also be called a remake/rip-off.
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