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    Image of reddingofish reddingofish
    11/09/09

    In reply to Clone Wars Grows Up In Front Of Your Eyes In New Box Set
    I watched the cartoon's first season with the belief that the entire 100 episodes had been planned out into an arch. I was disappointed that season 1 did not have an arch. It did have a couple of two and three parters but no arc. Season 2 on the other hand seems to be arced. The first 5 shows have mostly impressed me. I agree that "Landing At Point Rain" was a bit harsh for Cartoon Network but it is shown during the Adult Swim time slot so I guess the network gave the writers some lea way.
    I hope they keep the story line moving along and don't get mired up in the whole Aniken and Padmae love affair too much. It is an easy trap for the writers to fall into. #starwarstheclonewars
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    11/08/09

    In reply to Clone Wars Grows Up In Front Of Your Eyes In New Box Set
    Great review Graeme! Thanks for taking time to dissect the DVD box set!

    Did you find the Easter Eggs? #starwarstheclonewars
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    11/08/09

    In reply to Clone Wars Grows Up In Front Of Your Eyes In New Box Set
    Glad we got a glimpse of your thoughts on "Landing At Point Rain"!

    Now how about a full review of the episode? #starwarstheclonewars
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    Image of Jeb_Hoge Jeb_Hoge
    11/08/09

    @rabiera: I'm waiting for that too. The battle sequences were amazing. #starwarstheclonewars
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    Image of DRaGZ DRaGZ
    11/08/09

    In reply to Clone Wars Grows Up In Front Of Your Eyes In New Box Set
    It's still not that compelling a series. A lot of plot resolutions are apparent from the character's intentions at the very beginning of the story, not to mention that a lot of character development has to necessarily remain stunted so it remains in the timeline with the movies.

    Honestly, it was handled a lot better by Genndy Tartakovsky, who decided to treat the Clone Wars as a series of moments. If you try to create large arcing stories, you have expectations of actual plot or character development, but that never happens. But if you turn it into a series of timeless moments, like Sergio Leone movies, the lack of plot or character development is an artistic choice rather than a hindrance.

    I dunno, just my 2 cents.
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    cylon_conspiracy promoted this comment Edited by DRaGZ at 11/08/09 3:47 PM DRaGZ was starred DRaGZ was unstarred
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    11/08/09

    @DRaGZ: Genndy Tartakovsky's Clone Wars is still the best Star Wars since the original trilogy. #starwarstheclonewars
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    Image of Kurt Roithinger Kurt Roithinger
    11/08/09

    @DRaGZ: dunno, i've never been a fan of tartakovsky's quasi-minimalist animation style and grew bored with his clone wars eventually.

    the CGI series was the opposite -- barely registered with me at first, but after a while it started snowballing. the episode they aired this last week was nothing short of amazing. #starwarstheclonewars
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    Image of Adam Grant Adam Grant
    11/08/09

    @DRaGZ: I feel it's incredibly compelling because we, as the audience, know what Anakin eventually ends up doing. It's very strange and wonderful to see him during this phase because for far too long, I've only thought of him as Lord Vader.

    Knowing that he really was an upstanding Jedi Knight and watching it all unfold makes his fall even more horrible. #starwarstheclonewars
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    11/08/09

    @Adam Grant: Not just with Anakin, either. I think that all of this puts not only Vader but also Obi-Wan and Yoda into different lights when you revisit the original trilogy. It also makes Palpatine's ultimate victory that much more impressive, that he engineered not just a fall from grace but also a near-eradication of the Jedi history, from what we see once ANH comes around. #starwarstheclonewars
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    Image of cylon_conspiracy cylon_conspiracy
    11/08/09

    @Kurt Roithinger: There were like less than two hours of the entire series, hard to grow bored with that. I love Samurai Jack though.

    Last week's episode was just fighting and explosions, looks nice but that's what video games are for. #starwarstheclonewars
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    Image of DRaGZ DRaGZ
    11/08/09

    @Adam Grant: Anakin's transformation always felt fake. If anything, this just makes it feel even more fake. In fact, the entirety of Revenge of the Sith just felt fake and forced. This series doesn't help matters. I mean, clearly Ahsoka is playing a big part in Anakin's life. How could there just be no mention of it later in the films? If she isn't killed and let's say just went away, doesn't he feel strange betraying his padawan?

    I dunno, if anything it just makes everything much more awkward, and I think the developers of this series knows that, so they're just sorta running with their own thing. #starwarstheclonewars
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    11/08/09

    @Kurt Roithinger: Genndy's take on the Clone Wars treated it as a series of awesome vignettes that were loosely connected together. Instead of trying to pursue quasi-development of characters, it tried to place characters in setpieces that revealed what they might do in certain situations.

    What would Mace Windu do when facing an army of droids and a city-flattening machine without a lightsaber? How do Jedis fight underwater? What would Anakin and Ventress do to each other?

    That made it a lot more interesting.

    On the other hand, this Clone Wars series is more serialized in nature, depending on the development of factions and alliances that necessarily have to conveniently disappear by the time the third film comes around.

    If could just ignore the third film and have these stories go crazy, that would be nice. But they can't because they're bound by the resolution of the third film. So, ultimately, everything that happens here is meaningless. It's as though the series were structured as an extremely long sitcom episode: there has to be a return to normalcy by the end of the series, you're just waiting to see how it happens.
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    Image of prisoner2k prisoner2k
    11/08/09

    In reply to Clone Wars Grows Up In Front Of Your Eyes In New Box Set
    Don't forget the difference in aspect-ratio between the broadcast and the DVD/Blu-Ray set: what was televised in 1.78:1 was actually animated in 2.35:1, making it consistent with the visual scope of the films as well. #starwarstheclonewars
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    Image of Platypus Man Platypus Man
    11/08/09

    In reply to Clone Wars Grows Up In Front Of Your Eyes In New Box Set
    OK, so I watched the movie that came out before the series started, and I wasn't too crazy about it, so I didn't watch any of the series. Where would you consider the movie on the progression? Worse than the series started out as, better than it got in the season, etc?

    I'm a Star Wars fan and I was wondering if it was good enough to get, considering I haven't seen any episodes of this series. #starwarstheclonewars
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    Image of Makarnak Makarnak
    11/09/09

    @Platypus Man: I wasn't thrilled at the movie when it first came out, but I think it did have a few moments of brilliance: the chaos and panic as we follow Ahsoka into her first battle (which was filmed as if someone was carrying a hand-cam and jumped off the transport) is just one example.

    The tone felt a bit uneven: the dialogue was clearly aimed at young children, but some of the action was shockingly violent (a droid picking up a clone by the head and blasting him through the chest before discarding him always sticks out in my mind).

    But the TV show has exceeded my expectations, even though it has similar problems of tone. It's aimed at kids, but there are moments of shocking violence and action.

    That said, I think they're finding a voice once again. The action is fun (especially in certain episodes if you're missing the fun and actual PLOT in the starfighter/space battle scenes--I'm looking at you Ep. 1-3). The dialogue is much better than in Ep. 1-3. Anakin's acting (voice acting at least) is better.

    You know all that Anakin-Padme dialogue that just made you cringe? There's actual, real, interesting dialogue between them in this series.

    Someone complained earlier that the Clone Wars is meaningless because we knew how it turns out. Wasn't that true about Ep. 1-3? Actually, I think that the Clone Wars series fills in the gaps. We see Anakin being both an upright Jedi, but we see him start to risk everything and, from a Jedi standpoint, do really stupid things because of his connection to Padme. His hubris and weakness are highlighted instead of forced.

    So, the short answer would be yes, I think the series is much better than the movie. There will be moments that you're not fond of, and you have to let yourself be a bit of a kid again (the action and light plot moves fast and is a bit serialized -- this is a comic book, not a technothriller), but you should at least give it a chance. Season 2 is turning out to be fairly impressive, with a much darker tone and a more over-arcing plot.

    BTW, I also have to say that I surprisingly enjoyed Bombad Jedi (mostly because the entire tone of the episode was so comedic--if it helps, think of it as a comedic interlude, turn off the Jar Jar hate for 22 minutes -- he's not touching the battles and not interfering in the mood after the death of a Jedi -- and just let it be slapstick).
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    Image of cylon_conspiracy cylon_conspiracy
    11/08/09

    In reply to Clone Wars Grows Up In Front Of Your Eyes In New Box Set
    I'm enjoying season two. Very hesitant to get into season one, but I'll give it a shot.

    I actually do not like shows that are non-stop action and explosions. The last episode of Season Two was like that and I'm hoping the shows that were more about character are not going to be abandoned.

    I do not care about battle droids, and the "dirt/mud planets" of Mustafar (sp?) and Geonosis are really starting to get old, and I've really disliked that palette ever since episode 2.

    Star Wars to me is more than battle droids fighting on reddish brown planets. #starwarstheclonewars
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    11/08/09

    In reply to Clone Wars Grows Up In Front Of Your Eyes In New Box Set
    Definitely buying it day 1 of it's release over here in Portugal. I'm still surprised how quickly this show grew on me. Last Fridays episode was the possibly the greatest thing I have seen in TV for the past months. #starwarstheclonewars
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    Image of Bill-Lee Bill-Lee
    11/08/09

    In reply to Clone Wars Grows Up In Front Of Your Eyes In New Box Set
    I just couldn't get into this show. The episodes I did watch were fun but tuning in every week just started to seem like a chore. Maybe I'll enjoy it more on DVD when I can watch it at my own pace. And did you say booklet of concept sketches? #starwarstheclonewars
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    Image of Jeremy Tapsell Jeremy Tapsell
    11/08/09

    @Bill-Lee: Sigh, why do they always give us booklets and not proper books? I can't stand booklets because I always lose them! #starwarstheclonewars
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    Image of GreyHammer GreyHammer
    11/08/09

    In reply to Clone Wars Grows Up In Front Of Your Eyes In New Box Set
    no thanks. #starwarstheclonewars
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    Image of Shawn Oster Shawn Oster
    10/18/09

    In reply to Sarah Connor Chronicles Season 2 Plays Like A Novel
    This is exactly how I saw it the first time thanks to my DVR. I usually watched 2-3 episodes back to back and was surprised to read in this review that anyone ever thought it was clunky or seemed disjointed.

    From my perspective it was always intellegent, complex and made you think vs. putting a neat bow on it. Each character was developed enough that they all had human flaws yet attributes you really connected with.

    It's a pity that any time a sci-fi serial tries to go beyond the alien/action/adventure formula it gets canned.

    (It's also one of the most baffeling things in the universe that what I consider one of the worst sci-fi shows, "Andromeda", made it *five* seasons while shows like TSCC and Firefly and Earth 2 only make it 1 and some change.) #terminator
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    Image of Koltan Koltan
    10/16/09

    In reply to Sarah Connor Chronicles Season 2 Plays Like A Novel
    This is what I always told before. TSCC fully opens to you only after re-watching it not having to wait a week for the next episode. It's exactly how I became a fan.

    Thank you for the great article. #terminator
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    Image of daveNYC daveNYC
    10/16/09

    In reply to Sarah Connor Chronicles Season 2 Plays Like A Novel
    If T:SCC was like a novel, then the Desert Cantos episodes were like the 200 pages in Moby Dick where he talks about whale giblets #terminator
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    Image of whiteflea whiteflea
    10/16/09

    @daveNYC: haha...nice #terminator
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    10/16/09

    In reply to Sarah Connor Chronicles Season 2 Plays Like A Novel
    Charlie Jane, thank you for the excellent review!

    I almost weeped reading this, I know I will once I have the blu-rays in my hands. Can't get over the cancellation, maybe I never will... #terminator
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    10/16/09

    In reply to Sarah Connor Chronicles Season 2 Plays Like A Novel
    If I ever become a billionaire, I will privately finance new episodes of TSCC and Firefly. #terminator
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