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twophrasebark
01/08/09

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Meredith, io9, et al., I think it's time for io9 to address this issue head on with a separate article. I've seen io9 jump gleefully into conflict about all sorts of issues.

I say this everytime io9 brings up Card - which is quite a lot: Would io9 cover an author who was openly racist? Openly anti-semitic? In general, American society tends to shun such people. We don't seem to do the same with someone who is openly intolerant of gays and lesbians.

If you want to keep covering Card, this is part of the story. I don't think it should remain something you let fester in the comments. What's io9's view?

Personally, I think that freedom of speech trumps all. And his work should be covered. That's right - even though every time his name comes up you'll hear me say I think his views are alarming and I don't want to support him.

But I think it's time to stop dodging this issue. Put it this way - didn't the EMH on Voyager destroy the medical knowledge of that historical figure who turned out to have committed medical war crimes?

That's an easier line to see, but it's exactly the same issue. Is information itself free of context? Of history? I don't know the answer but I don't think you can keep covering Card without asking the question...
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BerkeleyHills
01/08/09

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What a tempest in an exquisite Julian Schnabel teapot! Of course he's a twit and the experience of his life will be...less...because of his views. But I don't think he hates anyone. That would show on the page. I also don't think that people who have not spent time in the film industry, particularly Los Angeles (Vancouver, The City...bliss.), can appreciate how extraordinarily conservative the movie business actually is. Twits, jerks, fools? Of course. Hate? If you find it you had it inside yourself to begin with.

Marvels current comic book might as well be story boards or pre-vis. Flawless execution. The movie will be great.
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braak
01/08/09

@BerkeleyHills: Why do you think it would show on the page?
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RAHfanboy
01/08/09

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Classic Liberal obfuscation. Those who disagree with you politically are bigots, racists, and homophobes. No tolerance or discussion of the issues necessary. It IS a great time saver.
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braak
01/08/09

@RAHfanboy: Well, only when my political position is one that advocates equal rights for homosexuals. Then, indeed, if someone disagrees with me politically the odds are good that it's because he's a homophobe.

But what kind of a discussion did you want to have? Card's positions are based on religious ones--revealed religious ones--how can we even discuss this?
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Pope John Peeps II
01/08/09

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Is that a picture of MegaMan?
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Harrison_Bergeron
01/08/09

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I just love how people can claim to be open minded and egalitarian except when someone else's views conflict with their own. I'm not saying that I agree with his position, but the man is hardly the maniacal hate monger some of you people seem to be making him out to be. A large portion of the world's population would agree with him, would you condemn them all regardless of context? It seems hypocritical to claim to be the beacons of tolerance and then pick and choose who you apply that tolerance to. In some ways Card displays more tolerance and restraint than those of you posting here, while he may not be a proponent of gay marriage he doesn't sling juvenile insults.
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snodipous
01/08/09

@Harrison_Bergeron:

"How long before married people answer the dictators thus: Regardless of law, marriage has only one definition, and any government that attempts to change it is my mortal enemy. I will act to destroy that government and bring it down, so it can be replaced with a government that will respect and support marriage, and help me raise my children in a society where they will expect to marry in their turn."

"Because when government is the enemy of marriage, then the people who are actually creating successful marriages have no choice but to change governments, by whatever means is made possible or necessary."

-Orson Scott Card

What we are proposing is not going to see this guy's movie because we dislike his philosophies. What he's proposing is overthrowing the democratically-elected government of his country (by violence if necessary) so that he can force his tribal superstitions on everyone, including the vast majority of the population that doesn't share them.

You're right, we're a bunch of lunatics and he's a model of restraint and clear thought.
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RAHfanboy
01/08/09

@Harrison_Bergeron: "would you condemn them all regardless of context?"

Yes they would.
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braak
01/08/09

@Harrison_Bergeron: What are you talking about? Who's being intolerant of him? Am I burning his books? Stopping people from reading his interviews? Trying to limit his civil liberties?

I don't like him and I think he is an asshole. This doesn't make me intolerant--it means I know how to recognize assholes.

In fact, it shows that I am, indeed, a beacon of tolerance precisely BECAUSE I don't try and stop people from reading his retarded opinions despite the fact that I know he's an asshole.
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Darkweave
01/08/09

@snodipous: The vast majority as you call it couldnt even pass the California bill, I would say the majority isn't where you think it is.
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braak
01/08/09

@Darkweave: Numbers doesn't give them the right to tyrannize.
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Harrison_Bergeron
01/08/09

@Darkweave: I wasn't speaking of the US, but if you go into many of the less developed parts of the world you'd find like minds to Card. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Card, I think his views are outmoded and presumptuous. I just think its funny that the same people that by and large presume to be open minded aren't as tolerant as they think. I don't pretend to be that universally accepting. I have deeply held beliefs that conflict with others deeply held beliefs and realize that there isn't a fairy tale world where everyone can be right. I'm saying that those rallying behind the banner of tolerance have to extend it to those they don't get along with as well or risk being labeled hypocrites.
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braak
01/08/09

@Harrison_Bergeron: Tolerance doesn't mean liking other people. It just means tolerating them. And, in many cases, not oppressing them.

Man, there's no one lobbying to get people to like gays. We're not even really lobbying to get people to stop hating gays. Whenever anyone talks about "tolerance," we're just talking about not treating them like crap.
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snodipous
01/08/09

@Harrison_Bergeron: "I just think its funny that the same people that by and large presume to be open minded aren't as tolerant as they think."

Learn what the word 'tolerant' means. Once again, in case you missed it, some people here are talking about not giving OSC money because they disagree with his opinions, and don't like the idea of financing his ideals. I haven't seen anybody suggest that he be shot or imprisoned or even silenced. We ARE tolerating him.

OSC has proposed replacing the democratic government of the USA with a religious tyranny. I'm not going to help him out with my pennies. Is this intolerant? Should I buy pro-Nazi hate literature to show how tolerant I am?
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Harrison_Bergeron
01/08/09

@snodipous: I thought I was well versed in the new meaning of tolerance. I know the old one: that still had something to do with the root word. You never can tell in this pc culture however. I thought the new definition had gotten all mixed up with total acceptance what with anyone and everyone expressing any differing opinion being labeled homophobic, bigoted, racist, etc. Isn't someone that uses homophobic slurs intolerant even though they tolerate the persons that they target with their language? If that person is intolerant because they do not approve of another's values than what makes slandering anyone, including Card, because of personal value systems not intolerance? By all means, don't buy his books. If all we're going for with "tolerance" is live and let live than mission accomplished.
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braak
01/08/09

@Harrison_Bergeron: Tell you what. I'll agree to let Orson Scott Card get away with just using racial slurs, if he promises not to provide money and support for people trying to impose their personal value system on others. What's it to him whether the gays get married, after all? It's not like anyone's twisting the arm of the Mormon church to perform the ceremony.

Think he'll go for that?
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seraosha
01/08/09

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Cool news, I hope any film adaption lives up to the original book...a tall order without extensive CGI, if not the entire film. I could almost see Pixar doing it.

All his detractors need to HTFU and get over it.
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Belabras ate my dingo!
01/08/09

@seraosha:

Hike with Those Frisky Unicorns?
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braak
01/08/09

@Belabras: Hear Thor Fighting Underground.
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3inst3in just had rrod number 2 and is sad
01/08/09

@braak: Have Their Finances Usurped
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braak
01/08/09

@3inst3in is all up in your relativistics.: Hassled by Tight Frilly Underwear.
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k386
01/08/09

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Racist? source pls
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RAHfanboy
01/08/09

@k386: I wouldn't hold your breath. He couldn't spell "bread" either.
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Pope John Peeps II
01/08/09

@RAHfanboy: If that's a joke, it's cute. If it's not a joke, then you should look up the word "bred".
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Kishi
01/08/09

@Pope John Peeps II: White bread is an insult. White bred is a typo.
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Pope John Peeps II
01/08/09

@Kishi: White bred is a gramatically correct term too. It's actually the original "white bread". It only became "white bread" through misspelling.
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braak
01/08/09

@Pope John Peeps II: Sorry, Pope John. If it's not in the urban dictionary then it can't be a real thing.
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Javert
01/08/09

@k386: No one could find one. Homophobia is not racism. Sorry, it is not.
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braak
01/08/09

@Javert: You're sorry! Think how embarrassed I was at my last Black Panthers meeting!
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Kishi
01/08/09

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I've always been curious if Ender's Game could be done well as a movie. I'd be interested to see it, even if I don't care much for Card.

Are they still going to include the giant squid? I mean the scene where two pre-adolescent boys fight naked in a shower?
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Gann
01/08/09

@Kishi: It might be able to be done well. I can tell with 100% certainty though that it can be done poorly.
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crashedpc - Haifisch
01/08/09

@Kishi: Well, that one scene COULD be interpreted to be either one...
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lightninglouie
01/08/09

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I never thought I'd congratulate the director of Troy and Air Force One for having such good taste.
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GreyHammer
01/08/09

@lightninglouie: troy was a kick ass movie.

"we are LIONS"
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vaderbot
01/08/09

@lightninglouie: Never Ending Story. nuff said.
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tetracycloide
01/08/09

@GreyHammer: the movie would have been over nine thousand percent better if they had gutted everything but the plot lines where Achilles is the central character and renamed it Achilles.
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lightninglouie
01/08/09

@vaderbot: I see your NeverEnding Story and raise you...

Enemy Mine.

THAT IS YOU UGLY HEAD!!! DAVIDGE UGLY HEAD!!!
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Belabras ate my dingo!
01/08/09

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I'd care more, but Card is pretty much a dick and I'm not all that interested in seeing him get a ton of hollywood money.

That said, the virtual world stuff in Ender's Game would have been cool to see.
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Alexis
01/08/09

@Belabras:

I always feel so conflicted about Card. On the one hand, I really don't like supporting a bigot in any way, if I can help it. On the other hand, his work should be able to stand on its own. As long as there are no blatantly offensive things in his work, then it deserves to stand alone.

But then I remember that I was never an Ender's Game fan, so it doesn't really matter.
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