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    "Peter & Max" Modern Day Fable Brings Back Happily Ever Afters

    Never Mind This Week's Comics, We're All About The Prose

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    The Man-Eating Ladies of Science Fiction

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    Image of TrueCrime TrueCrime
    10/09/09

    In reply to Never Mind This Week's Comics, We're All About The Prose
    Man, I know it's not scif fi, but Brubaker and Phillips start another volume of Criminal, and it gets no mention at all? Really?
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    10/08/09

    In reply to "Peter & Max" Modern Day Fable Brings Back Happily Ever Afters
    I've read the entire run of Fables, but first few pages of this didn't hold my attention. Perhaps I'll try again. I just have different standards when it comes to prose versus comics I guess.
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    Image of bluehinter bluehinter
    10/08/09

    In reply to "Peter & Max" Modern Day Fable Brings Back Happily Ever Afters
    As a long-time Fables fan, the "rushed" ending doesn't surprise me much. Willingham is one of the best things to happen to comics in a long while, but sometimes I wish he'd take a few pointers on pacing from Kirkman.

    It's not so much that his endings are lacking, just that there's so much build-up and characterization beforehand that you're constantly thinking "whoa, he can run with this premise for another 20 issues" when he suddenly finished up an epic story arc in just two issues.
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    Image of Dirk Anger Dirk Anger
    10/06/09

    In reply to Never Mind This Week's Comics, We're All About The Prose
    WTF!!: Planetary #27 is out tomorrow? that deserves a single post dedicated to it. Perhaps that's why it's not mentioned
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    Image of OlavRokne OlavRokne
    10/06/09

    In reply to Never Mind This Week's Comics, We're All About The Prose
    Planetary #27 will never happen. It's a myth. Graeme knows this, which is why he omitted it.
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    Image of Dunny0 Dunny0
    10/06/09

    In reply to Never Mind This Week's Comics, We're All About The Prose
    Max Brooks, doing a zombie comic?
    I see yet another trip to the comic shop this weekend in my future.
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    Image of van_line van_line
    10/06/09

    @Dunny0: i read world war z, and i wasn't really impressed.
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    Image of Dunny0 Dunny0
    10/06/09

    @van_line: Eh, I'm a sucker for both documentaries and zombies; it combined two things I really enjoy.
    I do have to wonder how many good zombie stories Max has left...
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    Image of Strangebomb Strangebomb
    09/29/09

    In reply to New Spider-Clones And Promethea Want You To Take Them Home
    Is it sad to say I just got to the point I don't read anything Moore does anymore, no matter how good it is, ecause he comes off as such a douche?
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    Image of Bill-Lee Bill-Lee
    09/29/09

    @Strangebomb: I think talent trumps personality. Just because he's a douche doesn't mean he isn't a great writer. Is Mark Twain less brilliant because he was prone to temper tantrums? Is Picasso less brilliant because he was a womanizer? So what if Moore is asshole, he has the talent to back it up.
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    Image of MagdaleneAssaracus MagdaleneAssaracus
    09/29/09

    In reply to New Spider-Clones And Promethea Want You To Take Them Home
    Well the goblins, in any event, weren't human.

    The relative conservatism of the Fable community (which, given that they're hundreds of years old, makes perfect sense) is prevalent throughout the series.

    Besides, that comment isn't about the origins of the state of Israel, but about its current status in the world.
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    Image of Darklighter Darklighter
    09/29/09

    In reply to New Spider-Clones And Promethea Want You To Take Them Home
    I will not buy Fables again. I will not buy Fables again. I will not... oh, who am I kidding?

    Seriously, if you're not reading this, there is something wrong with you.
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    Image of Perhaps Not Perhaps Not
    09/29/09

    @Darklighter: I really dig that book until it gets wildly, inappropriately pro-Israel and ruins its central conceit.
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    Image of RobinSure RobinSure
    09/29/09

    @Perhaps Not: They mentioned it once. And it was in character. Stop whining.
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    Image of Perhaps Not Perhaps Not
    09/29/09

    @RobinSure: How was it "in character?" It sounded like Bill Willingham had transcribed his journal entry from an evening of writing after a particularly rousing episode of Hannity and Colmes.

    And forever after, when they kill goblins, I'm going, "Awesome! Bulldoze the little fuckers' hundred-year-old olive groves, while you're at it! Build walls between the goblins and their Goblin Church! Kick them out of their homes and pretend they don't even have a goblin government! Tell everyone who disagrees with you that your Fairy Godmother told you to do it!"

    Talk about dehumanizing your enemies.
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    Image of RobinSure RobinSure
    09/29/09

    @Perhaps Not: Big bad wolf. His whole purpose for years was carnage, and he was very good at it. While he's changing for the better, he still has considerable experience of all things martial. He recognised something as an excellent survival tactic. Argue about the ethics all you like, but Bigby was looking solely at the practicalities. Which is what he does.

    And technically the olive grove was used to produce unkillable soldiers which were used to create armies which could conquer worlds. I think that counts as provocation.
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    Image of Perhaps Not Perhaps Not
    09/29/09

    @RobinSure: Right, but the real-life olive groves to which I refer were just used to produce olives.

    I mean, Willingham could have used any number of historical examples to make the exact same point and it would have come off as badass, but the example he picked really minimizes the suffering of a very real group of people.

    From the Comics Journal:

    "If there's any underdog in this world, Israel's it. So I think I just absorbed my mother's love of Israel. Politically, I'm just rabidly pro-Israel and so that, as a metaphor, was intended from the beginning. As a matter of fact, since this interview will be coming out after issue #50, there's a scene in which it's actually stated as fact that Fabletown's battle against the vast Empire, the Adversary, is very much like Israel against the Arab nations."
    [www.tcj.com]
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    Image of RobinSure RobinSure
    09/29/09

    @Perhaps Not: Then learn to separate your feelings about fiction from your feelings about reality. You might not agree with his thoughts on the matter, but he still writes a bloody good story. And if that story requires for him to be pro-Israel, fine with me. He believe that killing kittens is a fun hobby for penguins, but as long as the story is compelling, I don't mind. (Assuming the usual stuff about actions not being intentions etc.)

    Just as an aside, I should point out I'm neither pro or anti Israel, as I don't know enough about the situation to have any feelings about it. I always intend to rectify my knowledge of current events, but it's amazing what gets in the way.
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    Image of Perhaps Not Perhaps Not
    10/08/09

    @RobinSure: I wish I had seen this troll bullshit before abandoning the thread.

    You can do whatever you want with your feelings, but fuck you very much for having the presumption for telling me what to do with mine. I'm thrilled that political content in art has no meaning to you; enjoy your D.W. Griffith festival. If an artist has an ill-considered opinion (Neal Adams thinks the earth is hollow, for instance. No shit. Look it up), it's fine as long as it doesn't interfere with his work. Willingham uses his position as a writer of fantasy comics as a bully pulpit for some very objectionable, shallow political ideas and I reserve the right to call him out on it. I won't read any more Ayn Rand novels, either. Why? Because she was wrong and she was strident about everyone hearing her wrong ideas. See also "Triumph of the Will" by Leni Riefenstahl and, to a lesser extent, "Empire" by Orson Scott Card. Does Card being an ultraconservative moron make "Ender's Game" a bad novel? Absolutely not, because he keeps his ideology to himself. Willingham does not, so I don't read Fables anymore.
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    09/29/09

    In reply to New Spider-Clones And Promethea Want You To Take Them Home
    has anyone had a look at Absolute Promethea? Is it a decent value for the money with some substantial extra material, or is it LOEG: The Black Dossier all over again, where they just reprinted the books, blew 'em up, and charged a hundred bucks for the slipcase?
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    Image of Nasdaf Nasdaf
    09/12/09

    In reply to The Man-Eating Ladies of Science Fiction
    no vagina dentata from "Teeth"?
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    Image of Rosie Rosie
    09/11/09

    In reply to The Man-Eating Ladies of Science Fiction
    Well, the vamps on Lifeforce that John ya ya mentioned above were of no particular gender, only took a "perfect" image from the human that approached (as the "girl" mentioned) & since they all sucked the life force out of everyone on sight...
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    Image of vulcanized vulcanized
    09/11/09

    In reply to The Man-Eating Ladies of Science Fiction
    Dawn from Teeth! Though I'm not sure she actually eats men, but she sure takes bites out of them. Vagina dentata!
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    Image of Dirk Anger Dirk Anger
    09/12/09

    @vulcanized: It definitely counts. She eats man-parts, so it's good enough
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    Image of Dr.Quatermass: I have to say Dr. You are once again spot on with that oberservation and anything I am about to say that contradicts this statement is strictly for humor sake. Dr.Quatermass: I have to say Dr. You are once again spot on with that oberservation and anything I am about to say that contradicts this statement is strictly for humor sake.
    09/11/09

    In reply to The Man-Eating Ladies of Science Fiction
    Come on people...Ginger Snaps.
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    Dr.Quatermass: I have to say Dr. You are once again spot on with that oberservation and anything I am about to say that contradicts this statement is strictly for humor sake. was starred Dr.Quatermass: I have to say Dr. You are once again spot on with that oberservation and anything I am about to say that contradicts this statement is strictly for humor sake. was unstarred
    Image of James7344 James7344
    09/11/09

    In reply to The Man-Eating Ladies of Science Fiction
    Ahem. Salt Vampire. Star Trek.
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    Image of Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H. Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
    09/11/09

    @James7344: Although it could appear as male -- when it was trying to nosh on Uhura, it took the form of a hunky black guy.

    Still, I agree she should be here.
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