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    Image of dulceserenidad dulceserenidad
    10/27/09

    In reply to Are the Novel's Days Numbered?
    The packed library and adoring children at the Ray Bradbury signing I attended say this isn't true.
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    Image of TheGreenRanger TheGreenRanger
    10/27/09

    In reply to Are the Novel's Days Numbered?
    Where exactly do all these authors get their millions of dollars from? Strange...
    I can't really envision a world without literature, especially not in 25 years. I can see why latin poetry died off, probably because no one speaks latin. #philiproth
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    Image of Brian Fowler Brian Fowler
    10/27/09

    In reply to Are the Novel's Days Numbered?
    Figures. As soon as I start to be a writer, the novel's o it's way out. #philiproth
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    Image of Merlin2008 Merlin2008
    10/27/09

    In reply to Are the Novel's Days Numbered?
    To the commenters on this board, as a true literary geek, let me just say, 'Thank you.' #philiproth
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    Image of Inkymonkey Inkymonkey
    10/27/09

    In reply to Are the Novel's Days Numbered?
    Except that YA sales are way up, and have been rising for some time. Maybe people just don't want to read PHILLIP EFFING ROTH* anymore, hmm?

    To be fair, let's see what his new book is about.

    *snip* --The Humbling's hero Simon Axler, an ageing stage actor who has "lost his magic"--

    Ooooh!!!! A literary midlife crisis novel. How interesting! How original! How germane! See you all at the midnight release party!!1!

    *I.M. is horribly prejudiced against the literati. YMMV. #philiproth
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    Image of Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H. Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
    10/27/09

    @Inkymonkey: I was a skosh more charitable, thinking "maybe people don't want to read the lit'rary kind of novel any more" as opposed to just Philip Roth, but yeah.

    Maybe we're booooored with that crap and we're looking for some nice SF, mysteries, romances... #philiproth
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    Image of it must be bunnies it must be bunnies
    10/27/09

    @Inkymonkey: Agreed!

    There may be more channels on the TV but they are showing mostly crap. My daughter reads more than she watches television. Her books are her most prized possessions. She is in her early teens. In 25 years she will still love her books.

    The YA section and Manga section are getting bigger at our local bookstore to meet the demand. Right now they have a buy three and get one free. She is currently writing up her wish list. #philiproth
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    Image of Briareosdx Briareosdx
    10/27/09

    @Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.: I went to UC Berkeley, and graduated with a degree in English. And I can honestly say that most of the "Literary" novels written, then and now, are self-obsessed pretentious garbage. Too often writers try to create ART, all capitals, and for art's sake they forsake all the things that might have made their book actually entertaining and fun. Then they get all pissy when no one wants to read the droning dreary novel filled with self-important "revelations" and cute tricks of wordplay they've inflicted on us.

    Just as the best way to kill a language is to try and freeze it, the best way to kill an artform is to declare that only certain expressions of it are actually "art". People forget that in his day, Shakespeare was considered trashy mass-market stuff, full of violence and murder and lowbrow comedy and sex. In other words, it entertained, and then brought the bigger observations along for the ride.
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    Image of jeremydeananderson003 jeremydeananderson003
    10/27/09

    In reply to Are the Novel's Days Numbered?
    Oh give me a break. If television hasn't wiped out the novel yet, it isn't gonna. It's like if I claimed that in 25 years, the microwave will have completely killed the conventional oven. Where's my Guardian article?
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    Image of Jeremy Tapsell Jeremy Tapsell
    10/27/09

    @jeremydeananderson003:
    ^_^} aiiii!! so cool!

    you probably get this a lot but, are you, in any way, possibly, maaaaybe, related... to *ahem.. Richard #philiproth
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    Image of YouAreNumber6 YouAreNumber6
    10/27/09

    In reply to Are the Novel's Days Numbered?
    I too am on the agreement side. The shortstory used to be a hugely popular medium, now it's practically dead. Poetry has seen better days. I don't know about death, but triviality.

    From a larger perspective, what will this do to storytelling? We all know some novels whose stories are medium-specific. Will the types of stories that can be told dwindle?

    Anyway, I've been playing with this very idea in a fictional blog I'm working on:

    [pagezeroblog.blogspot.com] #philiproth
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    Jeremy Tapsell promoted this comment YouAreNumber6 was starred YouAreNumber6 was unstarred
    Image of Jeremy Tapsell Jeremy Tapsell
    10/27/09

    @YouAreNumber6:
    really interesting blog! :)
    I will endeavour to keep up with it as you write more!

    Do you have counterparts to the Autor? Such as the Editor, or perhaps even the Word itself?
    So intriguing! #philiproth
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    Image of Sunshineyness Sunshineyness
    10/27/09

    @YouAreNumber6: Is the short story really dead? I just think it was more the industry that used to deliver the short story (magazines) is on the verge of death therefore people just can't get short stories like they use to. I think once more short story 'zines become online we may see an increased interest in the short story again. #philiproth
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    Image of gorehound gorehound
    10/27/09

    In reply to Are the Novel's Days Numbered?
    I read everyday and own around 1200 books and original pulp magazines.

    and not one of my boooks is an ebook nor will it ever be an ebook. #philiproth
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    Image of Communist Pope Communist Pope
    10/27/09

    @gorehound: To each their own. ebooks have gotten me to read more in the past two years than I had in the previous decade. I don't normally carry a backpack, nor a purse/manbag, so even lugging a paperback around with me is pretty inconvenient. But with my iPod Touch, I can buy books from eReader or the Kindle store at a lower cost than print books and have dozens of 'em in my pocket, making it a heck of a lot easier to take them with me everywhere. Plus, assuming you don't have a problem with the small screen size (I don't), the Touch has much better "hand" than even the smallest paperback. #philiproth
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    Image of Daumier Daumier
    10/27/09

    @Communist Pope: I can't wait for the day ebooks completely replace bound paper. I'm just waiting for a product that will revolutionize publishing the way the iPod and iTunes revolutionized portable music. Kindle on the iPod touch is alright, but I really want to see improvements on the current electronic reader technology because the epaper is much easier to read than a backlit computer display. Not to mention I'd really like something as cheap and user friendly as an iPod. #philiproth
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    Image of Ajh Ajh
    10/27/09

    In reply to Are the Novel's Days Numbered?
    Went and read the article. Honestly I have no idea who Philip Roth is and a search reveals I have no idea what any of his books are about.

    Judging from the article alone, this man needs to get outside more. I work with children...aged 6-13. A good HALF of them read for pleasure. One girl said she didn't know what she'd do without books to read.

    Television and movies are all fine and good, but there's no commercials in a book, and as you read it's somehow more personal than watching a theatre screen. You see the characters in your mind how you want them, not how some producer does. Does anyone else ever speak the words the characters are speaking in a book out loud softly as they're drawn in to the story? I never do that with movies or television.

    I do see the rise of print on demand and electronic books, mostly because that's happening now. To suggest people will stop reading novels in twenty five years is just rather strange.

    And offtopic.. Fahrenheit 451. The ONLY book I liked out of 10th grade english class. #philiproth
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    Image of Daveinva Daveinva
    10/27/09

    In reply to Are the Novel's Days Numbered?
    I'll be contrarian here and flat out say it: Roth is 100% right.

    Proof?

    This: [www.theatlantic.com]

    Look, it's simple: people ARE reading less now than they ever have before. And the people who ARE reading? They're reading a lot more crap.

    I know the IO9 commentariat is more educated than most, but it's also filled with poseurs: you did NOT read Proust last week, give it up.

    Technology has been reducing our ability to comprehend the written word for decades now, and the internet is accelerating it. Fewer people sit down with anything remotely dense to read. Sure, "airport" novels still get read, but that's not *reading*-- that's consumption. Look at a Dan Brown or James Patterson novel, and you're presented with five-page chapters with no words encountered beyond freshman year of high school (unless they're defined within the text, five times in a row so they sink in).

    Your great-grandparents could read Latin. Your grandparents could read Hemingway. Your parents could read Dune. You could read to the end of this post.

    Yor chldrn wnt evn bothr w tht mch. #philiproth
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    Image of Faustroll Faustroll
    10/27/09

    @Daveinva: Proust is overrated. A 6 volume novel about some nancy reminiscing over a biscuit? Yeah, wonder why no one wants to commit to that when they've got this perfectly wonderful novel about humanity colonizing Mars that is sweeping, epic and lyrical and also only 200 pages long. Sure, no 50 page digressions about the decline of the French upper class, but we do have a lament for a dead civilization that haunts our descendants, slowly changing them into new and better people.

    Point is, tastes change. You and Roth don't like the direction of that change but instead of trying to inject some of the grandeur of past ages into a medium that is always looking for a new voice and doesn't mind experimenting with form, you would rather bitch about my inability to conjugate a dead language.

    The Martians will always win, especially when the alternative is as flimsy as a cookie. #philiproth
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    Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H. promoted this comment Faustroll was starred Faustroll was unstarred
    Image of braak braak
    10/27/09

    @Daveinva: Please. My great-grandparents weren't even literate in Dutch. My grandparents were the first generation of my family that was literate enough to read the newspaper, my parents were the first generation in my family to go to college, and I'm the first person in my family that's literate in Latin.

    Listen, whatever technology is doing to erode "our" ability to read for anything length of time, it's more than a little ridiculous to assume that erosion is going to continue indefinitely, forever, for everyone.

    Is the readership of the novel going to get smaller? Probably, for a while. But then, there was a time when no one could read in the first place, and if you were living in the early 19th century, you'd probably be making the argument that soon no one would be doing anything BUT reading novels. #philiproth
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    Image of Sunshineyness Sunshineyness
    10/27/09

    @Daveinva: Well excuse me. I didn't know you were put in charge of what qualifies as "quality" literature. I really get pissy when people start claiming some books are somehow "better" than others. There's nothing "better" about an established "classic" than a cheap dime novel. YOU may not like them as much but it isn't a fact that one is more worthy than the other.

    Because, guess what? There's always been crappy consumptable trash novels for people to read. Dime novels that were gobbled up like candy became widley distributed during the industrial revolution and have continued to do so since. Hell, Dickens was considered trash at the time because it was serialized and meant for the masses.

    Take a look at pictures of middle class homes in the 50's- you seeing many bookshelves? Not too many people read a ton of books for fun in our grandparents generation.

    And the only people in our great-grandparents gen that could read Latin were the privileged few who got education and the Catholic priests. The fact was that long ago the literacy rates of the primary spoken languages was abysmal why would they speak/read another language as well? #philiproth
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    Image of velleity velleity
    10/27/09

    @Daveinva:

    "Look, it's simple: people ARE reading less now than they ever have before."

    Totally true. 1000 years ago everyone was an avid reader. It's been downhill ever since. #philiproth
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    Image of RandomFrequentFlierDent RandomFrequentFlierDent
    10/27/09

    @velleity: I hate how when I approved your comment it also says I approved Daveinva.

    What I approve of is your use of sarcasm. Just wanted to get that out there. #philiproth
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    Image of DrMathochist DrMathochist
    10/27/09

    In reply to Are the Novel's Days Numbered?
    Cool! I always wanted to be part of a cult! #philiproth
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    Image of hamshank hamshank
    10/27/09

    In reply to Are the Novel's Days Numbered?
    What temperature do Kindles burn at? And would the fumes be harmful to the gathered mob?
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    RandomFrequentFlierDent promoted this comment Edited by hamshank at 10/27/09 1:05 PM hamshank was starred hamshank was unstarred
    Image of RandomFrequentFlierDent RandomFrequentFlierDent
    10/27/09

    @hamshank: If it works on an iphone I'm assuming it'll work on a kindle too. Break out the extension cords! #philiproth
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    Image of botanicidal botanicidal
    10/27/09

    @RandomFrequentFlierDent: so much more satisfying than taking a hammer to it. #philiproth
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    Image of RandomFrequentFlierDent RandomFrequentFlierDent
    10/27/09

    In reply to Are the Novel's Days Numbered?
    It's nice to know that in 25 years pretty much all of my family and friends are going to be part of a "cultic" minority. I wonder how hard it'll be to make them think I'm their leader . . . #philiproth
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    Image of Jeremy Tapsell Jeremy Tapsell
    10/27/09

    In reply to Are the Novel's Days Numbered?
    I have already started hiding my books away. They are being kept secret from the Firemen who will come burn all unlicensed information.

    Books are my life. I look at my book shelf and I can see my self reflected in it. They are like a collective autobiography of all the ideas and ideologies that have shaped me into the person I am today.

    Nobody is f&*king taking that away from me! #philiproth
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    Grey_Area promoted this comment Edited by Jeremy Tapsell at 10/27/09 12:57 PM Jeremy Tapsell was starred Jeremy Tapsell was unstarred
    Image of lilbobbytables lilbobbytables
    10/27/09

    @Jeremy Tapsell: I too have an unhealthy relationship with my books. They will have to be pried out of my cold, dead hands. #philiproth
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    Image of 1Grand_Marquis 1Grand_Marquis
    10/27/09

    In reply to Are the Novel's Days Numbered?
    "If you read a novel in more than two weeks you don't read the novel really."
    Excuse me? What the fuck is that supposed to mean? #philiproth
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    Image of Sunshineyness Sunshineyness
    10/27/09

    @1Grand_Marquis: I don't get that either... is he saying we should speed read it? Does that mean we'll absorb it better if we don't spend time to make sure we understand it? #philiproth
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    Image of Starlionblue Starlionblue
    10/27/09

    @1Grand_Marquis: It means Roth is a pretentious arse. #philiproth
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