@Byronotron: Yeah, that fits better. But she could really fill out a leotard in Bring It On.
I can understand the rabid Whedon following, even if I don't share it. But I draw the line at nostalgia for Tru Calling. I mean, seriously, WTF. #dollhouse
I am still in grief from the Sarah Connor Chronicles. I think I am at the Depression stage. :-p
For Dollhouse? I think it was time. I am glad the pulled the plug a bit early so we can get proper closure. That is unless Whedon pulls another Angel ending.
There's no excuse for some big cliffhanger in case the show gets renewed though. #dollhouse
@Darklighter: I recognize that it fit the premise of the show to have Angel going out fighting. I guess I just personally would have liked more resolution. #dollhouse
@scarredforlife: You know Dollhouse is the only Whedon show I never tried to convince friends to watch. Buffy I did it all the time. I'd bring over VCDs of the latest episode and try to bring everyone over to my side. Angel too. Firefly was still on the air around that time so I'd always try gathering everyone up to watch it (never really worked but thats beside the point).
@Wookie1972: I think that it's more a response to their readers (as it should be), the story on Dollhouse's cancellation [io9.com] has 20,663 views (not huge, but still substantial) ......
......... but 384 (!!!) comments.
Sure, many (most) of those didn't like it, but they still cared enough about Dollhouse to read the story and then comment. #dollhouse
I think you misconstrued my comment. I'm not sure. I meant that bloggers and journalists have overhyped and overwritten this show more than any other in the history of television.
That most people don't even watch it makes it even worse... #dollhouse
"4% Less Polite: Why don't you pick up X show? It's better than any of the crap you air! "
That gave me a chuckle. The last thing I wrote to SyFy was a plead to pick up Virtuality, Ron Moore's pilot that aired a few months ago:
"I think Virtuality would make a fine addition to your network. Since the frakers at Fox don't seem to want to do anything with it, you guys should pick it up. Hell, you frakin' guys run wrestling on a science fiction channel. You'll put anything on the air. Why not Virtuality?"
I love you, SyFy, but I'm still willing to give you a kick in the pants when you need it.
Oh man, I didn't even know it was canceled to now. Wow. At least it was canceled before they finished shooting. I think the biggest problem with dollhouse was that it was going no where, except on dates with creepy rich guys.
Sure Epitaph 1 gave some hope for an actual direction, but damn it came to late. Seriously it should have been the first episode so they would've had something to work forwards too. Sure there was Alpha, but that got old real fast.
Oh well. One less show on my DVR next season. #dollhouse
@RoboBagins: Yep I went through three stages of grief:
1) This show is probably going to get cancelled, it's spineless drivel now.
2) Wait... this last episode was actually Good! Wow! They haven't had one of these in more than a season (Where the doll gets her revenge and then can't live with herself)
3) Nope false alarm it's cancelled. Good riddance.
The show was a great concept that was almost never exploited. The only thing ever exploited was Virtual Echo which still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
It went no-where. It had no cliff hangers. The concept evolved at a snails pace. OOoo echo can now remember *zzzz*.
If I look at the show from the first episode to the current episode the only change I can see is that FBI guy is now working for the doll house... but not really... Oh and Echo sometimes spouts insights now. If none of the writers have the balls to write an episode where something happens or changes don't be surprised if we don't bother keeping up to date with the nothingness of progress or development.
It was an ok concept without any vision that died the horrible death it deserved. #dollhouse
I hate to say it, but I'm glad that Joss and team can move on.
Dollhouse just never moved me the way his other shows did. Perhaps it was too ambitious a concept for network TV. Or maybe we don't have to love a show just because we loved the shows they made before.
Now that it's over, I look forward to what Joss and team do next. #dollhouse
@fraying: I thought DOLLHOUSE lacked the humor of Whedon's other series, BUFFY and FIREFLY in particular. It was the humor that made me care about the characters because I could relate to them. I found DOLLHOUSE interesting intellectually, but in a emotionally detached way. I didn't like any of the characters, and didn't really care what happened to any of them. #dollhouse
Joss should do a show for Syfy that was done on their budgetary means, if he could do Dollhouse cheap for Fox I am sure he could go cheaper for SyFy. The guys wants to make good scifi tv then he needs to go somewhere that lower ratings are acceptable and he would be able to flourish. I do like Craigs take on the whole thing using Twitter but they should start courting Joss to come over there, it would be good for the network and fans of Joss. I don't know how convinced I am that Caprica will emulate the successes of BSG, so if it goes early it would be a perfect opportunity to get Joss on board for something. #dollhouse
@Makidian: If Joss Whedon did Firefly on a SyFy budget, the Serentiy's bridge would have looked like the set of the original Enterprise. I could live with good acting and storytelling on cheesy sets but would others? #dollhouse
@Vulcan Has No Moon: "BSG" and the various "Stargates" seemed to have figured out how to deliver a decent product on a Syfy budget. And its not like anyone is paying for $1million an episode actors, either.
As for "Firefly" - it's been years since it was cancelled, and "Serenity" wasn't even a hit. I loved it, but it's not coming back - get over it. #dollhouse
The Firefly comment was more directed to the folks who seem to harbor some illusion that we're going to time travel back to 2002 and Whedon is going to get a do-over with a better network. If Firefly ever comes back, it will be rebooted in 10 years with Zac Efron and the various "stars" of Twilight. #dollhouse
@CParis: Too late! Starting fall of 2020: Firefly! Starring Zac Efron, one of the girls from High School Musical, Mily Cyrus, two of the three Jonas Brothers and Jacob from Twilight! By popular demand from CParis!
@Vulcan Has No Moon: Really I was going to say what CParis said verbatim. If they can do BSG and Stargate and Josscan give them a really good workable series then he could the moeny he needs to make a good SyFy series. The CG work on BSG, Stargate(s) and soon Caprica, is all pretty top notch work for TV. I would love to know what the Dollhouse budget is because I would venture the higher paid actors cost more than everything else on the show. Joss and Syfy should have been working together for a long timeand now it seems like the perfect stormhas brewed to get them together. Bet an announcement is made early next year....
@Makidian: Well, in 10 years, the Jonas Brothers will probably be coming out of rehab, Miley Cyrus will be starring on the Surreal Life, part XXV and Zac Efron will be on Dancing with the Stars! Might be cheap by then. #dollhouse
FOX hasn't hurt me over any of this. Sure, I loved Dollhouse and Fridays will certainly be a little less enjoyable without my DH fix, but the only one who is going to hurt over this is FOX in losing disgruntled viewers who will be rightly wary of getting involved with another FOX production. FOX has proven that they hate television--precisely, UNIQUE television that's worth tuning in for. They killed Dark Angel and many other productions full of potential before, and in like fashion, they have killed another. Surprise, surprise. It's easy enough to blame it all on lack of viewership, but how will people know to watch or care about what's happening with a show when the Shamwow guy has more advertising then the show? Once they axe Fringe (which I know they'll try to) I'm done with FOX and I won't be watching any new programming on it, regardless of whether or not it's a Joss Whedon project. And I surely hope Whedon is not such a fool as to continue bringing his projects to FOX . #dollhouse
@firstanointed: FOX is a business, they aren't going to wait for a show to reach it's "full potential".
With Dollhouse's declining ratings, it was already risky enough to give it another season. I don't have the numbers, but I'm sure they lost money, even with it's lower production costs.
You also can't really expect FOX to give show like Dollhouse a massive advertising budget. Even on their own network, there's no way they're going beat the Shamwow guy.
Anyway, Dark Angel almost got a third season, but it was cut at the last minute to make room for Joss Whedon's new show.
That's right, Firefly killed Dark Angel. Of course it was FOX's decision, so they kind of screwed both shows over that time. #dollhouse
@octaslash:
Sorry, but NBC is also a business and Seinfeld was close to being canceled at one point. They did give it a chance and it lasted 9 seasons. #dollhouse
@octaslash: Dark Angel had to die so that Jensen Ackles could eventually be cast in Supernatural. Score another one in the "Why Firefly is the awesomest awesome to ever awesome" column. #dollhouse
@firstanointed: Bah, Fox has time and time again proven the exact opposite.
Name another network that would have even given Firefly or Dollhouse a chance. While you're at it try one that would air Simpsons, Family Guy, Glee, X-files, Fringe, the list goes on and on again.
I hate when Fox kills off stuff I like as much as the next person but they're the only network with unique shows. They don't always work and as esoteric as some of them are its really not that surprising. At the end of the day TV is a business. Fox tries more unique off kilter shows than any other network because not playing it safe has worked for them time and time again. Its the only way they can keep up with the big boys who do nothing but put out canned formulaic drivel over and over (though ABC is moving in the right direction), how many CSIs does CBS have now? At the same time though they have to know when to cut those threads and try again. #dollhouse
@octaslash: I always did blame Firefly more than Fox for killing DA, since at the time I wasn't aware of how evil Fox was. It's why I didn't use to be a Whedon or Nathan Fillion fan. But Serenity was good and I liked Dollhouse so I changed my mind. :P
I'm not actually asking that they have given DH a massive advertising budget, but it would have been nice for Fox to have let people known that it was...you know...ON. #dollhouse
@tande04: Regardless of TV essentially being a business, Fox, in comparison to all the other networks is on a spectacular level of shittiness. It's historically where interesting concepts go to briefly do something interesting/compelling and then die, rather like bees or rainbows. And it's especially sad to see when the landscape of TV is filled with so much romcom/reality rot.
I'm sick of it. Give me a guaranteed solid 5 season run and maybe I'll change my mind. Cut me off less than a season in? Why should I waste the energy changing the channel? #dollhouse
@vinylrake: Technically it still was because Max could kick River Tam's butt any day of the week blindfolded. ...unless she's having an off day. Which is almost never.
I'm sorry, I had to poke that dragon. Fandom defense, you understand. :P #dollhouse
@firstanointed: But you would have never seen them if not for Fox. You illustrate my point by noting the glut of sitcom/reality/procedural on every other network.
I went through the "I hate Fox" stage too. When Family Guy came back and listed off all the shows that Fox picked up and then canceled in between Family Guy being on it was both funny and salt in a wound. It was funny for the very commentary that you're talking about. Fox has a rep for canceling a lot of stuff but some of the stuff they try is sooooo out there it can't help but get canceled. A live action version of a comic turned cartoon? A story about a kid and trash talking puppets that are treated as second class citizens? A "real" western in space? Any of the other major networks would have laughed the people pitching those right out of the room.
It just so happens that the concepts we find appealing are pretty much shunned by mainstream society. The fact that Fox gives them a slot in the first place is nothing short of dumbfounding. I don't hate Fox anymore. Its almost masochistic to say but its biting the hand that feeds you. I keep coming back to Fox and will keep coming back to Fox because they're the only network showing stuff I want to watch. I just had to realize that what I want to watch isn't what 99.9% of America wants to watch so I take what I get from them when I get it and don't cry over spilled milk. #dollhouse
Don't get me wrong, Dark Angel was great for what it was (ridiculously over-the-top campy sci-fi which I watched faithfully for the first season), but by the time it was cancelled it was a mercy killing. #dollhouse
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*cries like a little girl* #dollhouse
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I can understand the rabid Whedon following, even if I don't share it. But I draw the line at nostalgia for Tru Calling. I mean, seriously, WTF. #dollhouse
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But I don't think I ever moved past Stage 2 after Heroes got to the point of unforgivably shitty for me. #dollhouse
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however, i am still watching. and will buy the dvd set... and stalk people online to get an autograph or not. #dollhouse
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I had one stage. #dollhouse
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For Dollhouse? I think it was time. I am glad the pulled the plug a bit early so we can get proper closure. That is unless Whedon pulls another Angel ending.
There's no excuse for some big cliffhanger in case the show gets renewed though. #dollhouse
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(*Does not apply to Farscape fans.) #dollhouse
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Dollhouse, without a doubt, is one of the most overhyped, overwritten about shows in the history of television... #dollhouse
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Oh wait, no. They've never even heard of it.
*slow clap for marketing*
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Dollhouse, not so much. #dollhouse
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......... but 384 (!!!) comments.
Sure, many (most) of those didn't like it, but they still cared enough about Dollhouse to read the story and then comment. #dollhouse
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I think you misconstrued my comment. I'm not sure. I meant that bloggers and journalists have overhyped and overwritten this show more than any other in the history of television.
That most people don't even watch it makes it even worse... #dollhouse
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That gave me a chuckle. The last thing I wrote to SyFy was a plead to pick up Virtuality, Ron Moore's pilot that aired a few months ago:
"I think Virtuality would make a fine addition to your network. Since the frakers at Fox don't seem to want to do anything with it, you guys should pick it up. Hell, you frakin' guys run wrestling on a science fiction channel. You'll put anything on the air. Why not Virtuality?"
I love you, SyFy, but I'm still willing to give you a kick in the pants when you need it.
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Sure Epitaph 1 gave some hope for an actual direction, but damn it came to late. Seriously it should have been the first episode so they would've had something to work forwards too. Sure there was Alpha, but that got old real fast.
Oh well. One less show on my DVR next season. #dollhouse
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1) This show is probably going to get cancelled, it's spineless drivel now.
2) Wait... this last episode was actually Good! Wow! They haven't had one of these in more than a season (Where the doll gets her revenge and then can't live with herself)
3) Nope false alarm it's cancelled. Good riddance.
The show was a great concept that was almost never exploited. The only thing ever exploited was Virtual Echo which still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
It went no-where. It had no cliff hangers. The concept evolved at a snails pace. OOoo echo can now remember *zzzz*.
If I look at the show from the first episode to the current episode the only change I can see is that FBI guy is now working for the doll house... but not really... Oh and Echo sometimes spouts insights now. If none of the writers have the balls to write an episode where something happens or changes don't be surprised if we don't bother keeping up to date with the nothingness of progress or development.
It was an ok concept without any vision that died the horrible death it deserved. #dollhouse
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Dollhouse just never moved me the way his other shows did. Perhaps it was too ambitious a concept for network TV. Or maybe we don't have to love a show just because we loved the shows they made before.
Now that it's over, I look forward to what Joss and team do next. #dollhouse
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As for "Firefly" - it's been years since it was cancelled, and "Serenity" wasn't even a hit. I loved it, but it's not coming back - get over it. #dollhouse
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The Firefly comment was more directed to the folks who seem to harbor some illusion that we're going to time travel back to 2002 and Whedon is going to get a do-over with a better network. If Firefly ever comes back, it will be rebooted in 10 years with Zac Efron and the various "stars" of Twilight. #dollhouse
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It's gonna be huge. #dollhouse
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@RandomFrequentFlierDent: That's actaully a cast of character that Syfy couldn'tafford... #dollhouse
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With Dollhouse's declining ratings, it was already risky enough to give it another season. I don't have the numbers, but I'm sure they lost money, even with it's lower production costs.
You also can't really expect FOX to give show like Dollhouse a massive advertising budget. Even on their own network, there's no way they're going beat the Shamwow guy.
Anyway, Dark Angel almost got a third season, but it was cut at the last minute to make room for Joss Whedon's new show.
That's right, Firefly killed Dark Angel. Of course it was FOX's decision, so they kind of screwed both shows over that time. #dollhouse
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Sorry, but NBC is also a business and Seinfeld was close to being canceled at one point. They did give it a chance and it lasted 9 seasons. #dollhouse
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After season 3 it started to show up it the Nealson ratings. During season 4 and afterward is was a big hit.
Regardless, it's hardly fair to compare a '90's sitcom to something like Dollhouse or Firefly (which are both serialized btw). #dollhouse
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Name another network that would have even given Firefly or Dollhouse a chance. While you're at it try one that would air Simpsons, Family Guy, Glee, X-files, Fringe, the list goes on and on again.
I hate when Fox kills off stuff I like as much as the next person but they're the only network with unique shows. They don't always work and as esoteric as some of them are its really not that surprising. At the end of the day TV is a business. Fox tries more unique off kilter shows than any other network because not playing it safe has worked for them time and time again. Its the only way they can keep up with the big boys who do nothing but put out canned formulaic drivel over and over (though ABC is moving in the right direction), how many CSIs does CBS have now? At the same time though they have to know when to cut those threads and try again. #dollhouse
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I'm not actually asking that they have given DH a massive advertising budget, but it would have been nice for Fox to have let people known that it was...you know...ON. #dollhouse
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I'm sick of it. Give me a guaranteed solid 5 season run and maybe I'll change my mind. Cut me off less than a season in? Why should I waste the energy changing the channel? #dollhouse
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I'm sorry, I had to poke that dragon. Fandom defense, you understand. :P #dollhouse
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I went through the "I hate Fox" stage too. When Family Guy came back and listed off all the shows that Fox picked up and then canceled in between Family Guy being on it was both funny and salt in a wound. It was funny for the very commentary that you're talking about. Fox has a rep for canceling a lot of stuff but some of the stuff they try is sooooo out there it can't help but get canceled. A live action version of a comic turned cartoon? A story about a kid and trash talking puppets that are treated as second class citizens? A "real" western in space? Any of the other major networks would have laughed the people pitching those right out of the room.
It just so happens that the concepts we find appealing are pretty much shunned by mainstream society. The fact that Fox gives them a slot in the first place is nothing short of dumbfounding. I don't hate Fox anymore. Its almost masochistic to say but its biting the hand that feeds you. I keep coming back to Fox and will keep coming back to Fox because they're the only network showing stuff I want to watch. I just had to realize that what I want to watch isn't what 99.9% of America wants to watch so I take what I get from them when I get it and don't cry over spilled milk. #dollhouse
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Don't get me wrong, Dark Angel was great for what it was (ridiculously over-the-top campy sci-fi which I watched faithfully for the first season), but by the time it was cancelled it was a mercy killing. #dollhouse
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Season 2 sucked hard. That I blame on Fox and Sept. 11th, though. After that, anti-government heroes weren't cool anymore. #dollhouse