Annalee makes excellent points. However, I have actually presented a paper at a conference on this exact topic and I want to put forward the following arguments:
1. Battlestar is a fundamentally partriarchal universe. Yes women and men occupy similar positions of power. But again and again women and NOT men are responsible for bringing desctruction and chaos to the Battlestar universe. Ie: Starbuck is the harbinger of doom. As Annalee wrote, Adama held up the fleet to wait for Starbuck to try to find Earth. Adama potentially endangered the fleet due to his love for a woman, Starbuck. And when we get to Earth...we get a wasteland. Adama allowed people to stay on New Caprica despite his own instinct that the position was unsafe. Why? Because he loved Roslin and she was determined to stay. A 6 began the war with humans in the first place by using Baltar to get records on Caprica. Who steals Herra? A female, Boomer. Who seduced Helo in the first place to produce Herra? Athen.
2. And what about Baltar? He's helps to bring chaos to the Battlestar Universe too! He's a man! I would also argue that he is played as a fop. He's tiny compared to the other charactrs, he is the only main character who uses his native foreign accent, for most of the series he was the only male with long hair. He is feminized. And part of being a feminine character is being destructive. Leoben is also destructive , but I would argue that everything he does to disrupt the BSG universe is due to his obsession with Starbuck. A women.
3. And what about Cain? Isn't it interesting that the most bloodthirsty and torture happy female character is a LESBIAN?! Now, one could argue she is coded as butch. Shouldn't her actions align with the male characters then? But as a lesbian, who does not have sexual desires for men, she is even more feminine. She is seperate from men. Ultimatly female. Much more destructive. Razor is one long story about the awful things that women are capable of.
I heart BSG. I am devestated that it is ending. But I noticed such a strong trend I had to get all academic about it. I agree that this patriarchal undertone is completely inadvertent. But it's still there.
I was underwhelmed by the Slate article, but I came away with the conclusion that it as fundamentally correct: the BSG universe is not gender-blind. I think the best evidence of that is the continued debate over the legality of abortion, as evidenced in "The Captain's Hand" (and unmentioned in the article). The creators may have written a less gender-bound universe, as evidenced by women in combat, but if abortion is still a political issue, then sexism is as well.
But the aside about sexual violence being "directed only at women" is compelling, too. Men are not immune to sexual violence and people are not ignorant of that, as men who have been victims of torture can tell you. It's commonplace. Yet on BSG, it's nonexistent.
Baltar's torture at Three's hands is a good example: they have the setup correct, right down to the electrodes. But where does Three, that sadistic product of a reproduction-obsessed culture, attach the electrodes? Baltar's fingers. Yeah, right.
Then there is the ménage à trois, which I really doubt is among the CIA's "enhanced interrogation techniques." I suppose you can argue that it's "torture," but you can't say it's realistic.
To me, that illustrates the sexism of the writers: they're willing to inflict the full range of violence upon their female characters, but in the case of their male characters, they hold back.
So in BSG, it's really not true that "When you dehumanize a male, you simply beat him any way you can." You beat him in every way except one.
Okay, I get really upset whenever people start spouting the "Cally is just a hysterical woman" argument. I think that is an incorrect assumption of what she's dealing with. Not only does it make the suffering of real mental illness seem insubstantial, but it trivializes the fact that not all women are the same. So yeah, Cally is high strung, and she's got the meds to prove it. She's suffering from a worse version of what most of the civilians and crew of the fleet must be feeling, Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome. I also personally feel that her character was meant to be truly going through a mental illness fugue. PTSD, post partum depression, or any other number of illnesses can be attributed to her. That doesn't make her a "weak, hysterical woman" but make her a real woman, suffering from disease. If you can write a whole article about why Cally proves that the show suffers from the effects of not being created in a post feminist society, then you've just missed the point. Just as a lot of people feel that Cally is stereotype of a bad kind of woman, some of us feel that Cally is just one type of woman, written as a mentally ill character, and consistently misunderstood. It speaks more to the bias and misconceptions others have against the mentally ill than it does feminism.
Lapidos confuses the characters' failures to meet feminist ideals with the show's failure to meet feminist ideals. If the characters all met those ideals they'd have no flaws and they'd be boring. However, the show does highlight the gap between ideals and reality as the place where the problems arise and as such is as successfully feminist as might be possible while also being successfully dramatic.
Having all the characters showing themselves to be unlikeable failures at one time or another is a feature in my book.
@radarskiy: you are 100% correct - it's like when people read novels and confuse the speaker's or characters' beliefs with that of the author :: Lapidos didn't do a very good job analyzing the show properly.
I'm not sure why all the comments are saying, "Right on!" and "Lapidos doesn't get it." The conclusions are about the same:
LAPIDOS: "My hunch is that the gender inequities on Battlestar are unintentional; the writers don't sit around inventing new, technologically advanced ways to denigrate women. Yet because the writing staff lives on Planet Earth in 2009, not on Capricia in the distant future, chauvinism creeps onto the show."
ANNALEE: "The show more or less successfully depicts a universe where women and men are equal in the realms of work and family. However, BSG was not made in a post-feminist world, so there are all kinds of hiccups where you get retrograde characters like Cally, or naked cylon chick fetishism, that are relics of our own society, which still so desperately needs a feminist slap upside the head on a regular basis."
...which is saying the same thing. But the former says: don't hold this up as a feminist paragon. The second says: well, yeah, there is plenty for a feminist to critique but I still want to believe it's a great work of feminism.
I'll go with the former. In any feminist study you can come up with works that try to depict a gender-equal world but the true nature of the creator creeps in revealing inherent sexism. Those works are critiqued as anti-feminist. Feminists don't argue away, "Well, yeah, it was written by men in sexist times so it's okay."
@SarupraniMink: I think that BSG counts as feminist, despite what I refer to as "hiccups" that I think are unavoidable. There is no way for us to escape our historical mindset: We cannot create a perfectly post-feminist narrative because we live in an era when feminism is still necessary. But I do think we can call out stories like BSG which really up the ante when it comes to depicting a world where men and women are equal. You don't just toss something like that away because it isn't perfect.
Good article, although I must take issue with the statement that Anders is hunkier than Apollo. They're both cute. Anders is just taller, if you like that sort of thing, but taller doesn't necessarily mean better-looking, at least in my book.
@redqueenmeg: Heh. The only boy for me on this show was Gaeta - and occasionally Tyrol. So I'm willing to bow to your greater knowledge on the Lee vs. Anders debate.
@redqueenmeg: Height matters to me, since I'm probably the same height as Lee. Although Lee has amazing bone structure, I'd frak Anders first. Then Lee. Then Baltar. Although, Starbuck did this in a slightly different order.
One of the things I like so much about this incarnation of BSG is the equal opportunity weakness of every single character. In that way, yes, it is post-feminist, while being infected here and there with current social norms/fetishes.
This is a fantastic post! Part of what makes BSG such a great feminist show is that it doesn't fail to recognize the real issues women deal with. Rape, sexual objectification, it's all a part of our society, and it's ugly. There's so many strong female characters, and even strong women are victims of rape and objectification. Even Starbuck, the bad ass warrior, became a victim first in the egg donor farm, and later when she was Leoben's housepet. But she faced it with incredible strength. Even though some could complain Roslin is too emotional in her leadership and thus showing a classic feminine weakness, we saw an equal breakdown in emotion from Adama last night.
I'm a black male. I could easily go on a rant about how the two black male characters (Tigh and Boomer) from the original were changed and the one black male we see on the new BSG is a cylon. But it's just a show and I have better things to worry about.
The only thing I'd note is that I think you're misconstruing the Cylon torture scene involving Baltar. His vision of Head Six in that scene seemed to be a psychological way of dealing with torture and escaping the physical pain. If I remember correctly, Head Six even makes a sort of "mind over body" encouragement. The scene ends in him shouting "Don't stop," as a sign of having made this accomplishment of transcending his physical reality though an intensely sexual spiritual experience, which really isn't all that out of line with many existing spiritual traditions.
It's also somewhat disingenuous to suggest Baltar was always without clothes on the baseship. Caprica-Six bringing him fresh clothes was an instrumental scene in suggesting her lingering feelings for him. I don't remember anything from the baseship scenes that really suggested Baltar was ever an unwilling participant in any sexual activity. A stronger case could probably be made for New Caprica, where Baltar was literally unable to respond to Caprica-Six, and their relationship was more forced by her.
That being said, Lapidos' quoted arguments also aren't very convincing. We see female Cylon's births onscreen because, for the most part, we care more about them than we do the male Cylons, who are all much more minor characters. And to suggest the show drops in rape "without comment" is frankly just not true. The show does have its hiccups, but those two arguments seem for the former like stretching it and the latter like deliberately ignoring the show.
@shoroko: I didn't say he was without clothes - I said he wore a robe. And the Head Six thing doesn't erase the fact that Three tortures him and then makes him and Six have sex with her.
I like Slate. I usually find it to be much more reasonable and less hysterical than most of the press. This piece, however, was just a load of PC BS. All she does is point out that the women are portrayed as weak while ignoring that the men are no stronger - true equality. You made your point much better than Ms Lapidos did.
At the end she even goes out of her way to point out that there is only one Asian on the show. What does that have to do with chauvinism?
03/10/09
Lapidos is attacking BSG for something that was never there, for the purposes - or so it seems to me - of proving outwronged by the work. Why?
03/08/09
1. Battlestar is a fundamentally partriarchal universe. Yes women and men occupy similar positions of power. But again and again women and NOT men are responsible for bringing desctruction and chaos to the Battlestar universe. Ie: Starbuck is the harbinger of doom. As Annalee wrote, Adama held up the fleet to wait for Starbuck to try to find Earth. Adama potentially endangered the fleet due to his love for a woman, Starbuck. And when we get to Earth...we get a wasteland. Adama allowed people to stay on New Caprica despite his own instinct that the position was unsafe. Why? Because he loved Roslin and she was determined to stay. A 6 began the war with humans in the first place by using Baltar to get records on Caprica. Who steals Herra? A female, Boomer. Who seduced Helo in the first place to produce Herra? Athen.
2. And what about Baltar? He's helps to bring chaos to the Battlestar Universe too! He's a man! I would also argue that he is played as a fop. He's tiny compared to the other charactrs, he is the only main character who uses his native foreign accent, for most of the series he was the only male with long hair. He is feminized. And part of being a feminine character is being destructive. Leoben is also destructive , but I would argue that everything he does to disrupt the BSG universe is due to his obsession with Starbuck. A women.
3. And what about Cain? Isn't it interesting that the most bloodthirsty and torture happy female character is a LESBIAN?! Now, one could argue she is coded as butch. Shouldn't her actions align with the male characters then? But as a lesbian, who does not have sexual desires for men, she is even more feminine. She is seperate from men. Ultimatly female. Much more destructive. Razor is one long story about the awful things that women are capable of.
I heart BSG. I am devestated that it is ending. But I noticed such a strong trend I had to get all academic about it. I agree that this patriarchal undertone is completely inadvertent. But it's still there.
03/09/09
03/08/09
But the aside about sexual violence being "directed only at women" is compelling, too. Men are not immune to sexual violence and people are not ignorant of that, as men who have been victims of torture can tell you. It's commonplace. Yet on BSG, it's nonexistent.
Baltar's torture at Three's hands is a good example: they have the setup correct, right down to the electrodes. But where does Three, that sadistic product of a reproduction-obsessed culture, attach the electrodes? Baltar's fingers. Yeah, right.
Then there is the ménage à trois, which I really doubt is among the CIA's "enhanced interrogation techniques." I suppose you can argue that it's "torture," but you can't say it's realistic.
To me, that illustrates the sexism of the writers: they're willing to inflict the full range of violence upon their female characters, but in the case of their male characters, they hold back.
So in BSG, it's really not true that "When you dehumanize a male, you simply beat him any way you can." You beat him in every way except one.
03/08/09
03/08/09
Why didn't the electrodes get attached to the manly equipment? Why do the guys only get beaten up and not butt-frakked?
03/08/09
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03/07/09
Having all the characters showing themselves to be unlikeable failures at one time or another is a feature in my book.
03/07/09
03/07/09
LAPIDOS: "My hunch is that the gender inequities on Battlestar are unintentional; the writers don't sit around inventing new, technologically advanced ways to denigrate women. Yet because the writing staff lives on Planet Earth in 2009, not on Capricia in the distant future, chauvinism creeps onto the show."
ANNALEE: "The show more or less successfully depicts a universe where women and men are equal in the realms of work and family. However, BSG was not made in a post-feminist world, so there are all kinds of hiccups where you get retrograde characters like Cally, or naked cylon chick fetishism, that are relics of our own society, which still so desperately needs a feminist slap upside the head on a regular basis."
...which is saying the same thing. But the former says: don't hold this up as a feminist paragon. The second says: well, yeah, there is plenty for a feminist to critique but I still want to believe it's a great work of feminism.
I'll go with the former. In any feminist study you can come up with works that try to depict a gender-equal world but the true nature of the creator creeps in revealing inherent sexism. Those works are critiqued as anti-feminist. Feminists don't argue away, "Well, yeah, it was written by men in sexist times so it's okay."
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One of the things I like so much about this incarnation of BSG is the equal opportunity weakness of every single character. In that way, yes, it is post-feminist, while being infected here and there with current social norms/fetishes.
Loved it.
03/07/09
03/07/09
I'm a black male. I could easily go on a rant about how the two black male characters (Tigh and Boomer) from the original were changed and the one black male we see on the new BSG is a cylon. But it's just a show and I have better things to worry about.
Finally, don't diss slave girl Leia.
03/07/09
03/07/09
It's also somewhat disingenuous to suggest Baltar was always without clothes on the baseship. Caprica-Six bringing him fresh clothes was an instrumental scene in suggesting her lingering feelings for him. I don't remember anything from the baseship scenes that really suggested Baltar was ever an unwilling participant in any sexual activity. A stronger case could probably be made for New Caprica, where Baltar was literally unable to respond to Caprica-Six, and their relationship was more forced by her.
That being said, Lapidos' quoted arguments also aren't very convincing. We see female Cylon's births onscreen because, for the most part, we care more about them than we do the male Cylons, who are all much more minor characters. And to suggest the show drops in rape "without comment" is frankly just not true. The show does have its hiccups, but those two arguments seem for the former like stretching it and the latter like deliberately ignoring the show.
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03/07/09
I like Slate. I usually find it to be much more reasonable and less hysterical than most of the press. This piece, however, was just a load of PC BS. All she does is point out that the women are portrayed as weak while ignoring that the men are no stronger - true equality. You made your point much better than Ms Lapidos did.
At the end she even goes out of her way to point out that there is only one Asian on the show. What does that have to do with chauvinism?
03/07/09
And that's sarcasm, kids.
02/12/09