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    The Real Psychic Soldier Behind The Men Who Stare at Goats

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    Image of Smeagol92055 Smeagol92055
    11/05/09

    In reply to The Real Psychic Soldier Behind The Men Who Stare at Goats
    Well, I'm actually happy that his response to the film was good-natured humor rather than anger. Lets me know that he's not full of shit.

    I've been studying the concepts of Buddhism recently (which is actually more of a philosophy rather than a religion,) and I've got to say, there's definite merit in his ideas, but, interestingly enough, there's no way we'd ever convince a group of soldiers that embraced those ideas fully to ever participate in any sort of warfare again. #firstearthbattalion
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    Image of Anekanta - killed by a cacodemon Anekanta - killed by a cacodemon
    11/05/09

    @Smeagol92055: It all depends on how you define religion, I guess.

    If it's defined as worship of the supernatural, then Buddhism tends to be generally less religious than what we're familiar with from mainstream Christianity.

    If you define religion as "re + ligare," "to reconnect," with reality as it is, then certain forms of Buddhism are very religious.

    It all depends on which form of Buddhism you're talking about, though. There's a big difference between Theravada and Pure Land, for example.

    The core concepts are the same, but the interpretations are wildly different.

    Out of curiosity, what sort of Buddhism have you been studying? #firstearthbattalion
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    Image of Smeagol92055 Smeagol92055
    11/05/09

    @Anekanta - Go Play!: Theravada, but I'm still new to the whole system.

    I agree that it's a religion, but you can take away the religious aspects of it to reflect on the philosophy behind the message. #firstearthbattalion
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    Image of Anekanta - killed by a cacodemon Anekanta - killed by a cacodemon
    11/05/09

    @Smeagol92055: That's true. Theravada is probably the most philosophical form, followed by Zen.

    I started with Theravada as well, when I got into insight meditation.

    The thing I love about it is that it's like a diagnosis. The Four Noble Truths identify the problem of suffering; and the Eightfold path is the prescription / remedy.

    Whatever your interest in it, I wish you the best of luck, with metta! #firstearthbattalion
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    Image of Jrsy Devil's Advocate® Jrsy Devil's Advocate®
    11/05/09

    In reply to The Real Psychic Soldier Behind The Men Who Stare at Goats
    As long as it's not, 'The Men Who Stare at Goatse' I'm sure it should be good for a few laughs.. #firstearthbattalion
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    Image of Tom Gonzales Tom Gonzales
    11/05/09

    @Jrsy Devil's Advocate®:

    haha yeah: D #firstearthbattalion
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    Image of Jesse Astle Jesse Astle
    11/05/09

    @Jrsy Devil's Advocate®: I didn't know what that meant. So I looked it up and I'm not as innocent as I once was. #firstearthbattalion
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    Image of Jrsy Devil's Advocate® Jrsy Devil's Advocate®
    11/05/09

    @Jesse Astle: What has been seen cannot be unseen. #firstearthbattalion
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    Image of Srynerson Srynerson
    11/05/09

    @Jesse Astle: There are support groups who can help. #firstearthbattalion
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    Image of cadrina cadrina
    11/05/09

    @Jesse Astle: I didn't know either, It's search like that that makes me hate google #firstearthbattalion
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    Image of FrankenPC FrankenPC
    11/05/09

    @Jrsy Devil's Advocate®: I never actually saw TGOC. It was yanked from everywhere before I could watch it. In retrospect, I understand that's a good thing. #firstearthbattalion
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    11/05/09

    @FrankenPC: Unfortunately I did. Ugh. Be thankful you missed it. #firstearthbattalion
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    Image of Jesse Astle Jesse Astle
    11/05/09

    @Srynerson: I close my eyes, and all I see is a pink gaping maw. #firstearthbattalion
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    Image of MargaretMoony MargaretMoony
    11/06/09

    @Jesse Astle: I am so, so sorry that happened to you. #firstearthbattalion
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    Image of Plague Plague
    11/05/09

    In reply to The Real Psychic Soldier Behind The Men Who Stare at Goats
    Where's George Nori at? #firstearthbattalion
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    Image of Smeagol92055 Smeagol92055
    11/05/09

    @Plague: Fuck that noise, where's Art Bell?

    You heathen. #firstearthbattalion
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    Image of Plague Plague
    11/05/09

    @Smeagol92055: We both know he's hiding in a bunker somewhere. #firstearthbattalion
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    Image of Smeagol92055 Smeagol92055
    11/05/09

    @Plague: He actually hosted a few nights ago and I nearly spooged myself hearing his voice again.

    Y'know, in a hetero way. #firstearthbattalion
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    Image of Vundal Vundal
    11/05/09

    In reply to The Real Psychic Soldier Behind The Men Who Stare at Goats
    wow very cool, although i wonder what a 'strategic shaman' would do #firstearthbattalion
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    Image of Klebert L. Hall Klebert L. Hall
    11/06/09

    @Vundal:
    He swindles people.
    -Kle. #firstearthbattalion
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    Image of Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny. Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.
    11/05/09

    In reply to The Real Psychic Soldier Behind The Men Who Stare at Goats
    I read a fascinating book on the effect that killing ones fellow man (and being in a position where one must constantly be ready to kill) has on soldiers. If yoga and meditation can help eliminate that I'm all for it. #firstearthbattalion
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    Image of Illogic Illogic
    11/05/09

    @Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.: Yoga is the most relaxing thing I've ever done, so maybe.
    Meditation also effects the brain according to brain scans on monks doing it, so the combination might actually work. #firstearthbattalion
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    Image of Bill-Lee Bill-Lee
    11/05/09

    @Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.: I was watching a documentary about ancient warfare in the Bible on the History channel. It pointed out that the Bible didn't allow soldiers returning from battle to return to their home villages until they had gone through something like a 7 day period to become "clean". I think the effect of war on the psyche was something that ancient societies understood but our society has somewhat forgotten. We tend to take our returning soldiers and dump back in home and act surprised when they have trouble returning to civilian life. #firstearthbattalion
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    Image of Gann Gann
    11/05/09

    @Bill-Lee: It gets even more complicated when 'going to war' means sitting in a warehouse down the street and piloting a UAV halfway around the world. Those remote kills can take a larger toll on your psyche than most other forms of combat.

    Think about it. Instead of facing your enemy face to face in the battlefield - killing them when they're trying to kill you - you seek them out when they're on their smoke break using a video stream that's high def enough to make out their expressions, mannerisms, things that make them seem human. Then you push a button and kill them.

    I imagine it would take more than a few days come back to reality after that. #firstearthbattalion
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    11/05/09

    @Gann: Actually, the book I was reading refuted that idea. Navy soldiers have a markedly lower psychiatric casualty percentage because they can think of the people they are killing as "subjects" or "marks" rather than actual people.
    Studies have shown that the closer one gets to one's victim the greater the trauma to the killer. #firstearthbattalion
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    Image of Gann Gann
    11/05/09

    @Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.: I'd be curious to read that study. Most of what I have heard has been about the negative effects.

    [www.airforcetimes.com] #firstearthbattalion
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    Image of Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny. Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.
    11/05/09

    @Gann: This is the book I read, and it is brilliant:

    [www.amazon.com] #firstearthbattalion
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    Image of Gann Gann
    11/05/09

    @Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.: I probably just got put on a few gov't watch lists just for clicking that link. Looks interesting. #firstearthbattalion
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    Image of Anekanta - killed by a cacodemon Anekanta - killed by a cacodemon
    11/05/09

    @Illogic: The effects are different depending on the type of meditation, of course, but in general it allows a person to slow down their thoughts enough to have better control over their emotional reactions. Which could be extremely useful in dealing with PTSD and other psychological problems soldiers face.

    The problem though is that meditation works much better as a preventative measure. You really have to be doing it regularly for several years to get the best benefit out of it. It's much harder to learn after the damage is done. #firstearthbattalion
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    11/05/09

    @Bill-Lee: That makes a lot of sense actually. Although they didn't have war (or even a word for it), the Australian Aborigines of Groote Eylandt would isolate people in mourning.

    If someone close to you died, for example, you and other close kin would be left alone for several days, while other members of the community would bring food and other necessities.

    I don't know if people in mourning were considered "unclean" exactly, but were regarded as being connected to spiritual forces and death, and so were dangerous to be around until they'd had time to grieve. #firstearthbattalion
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    11/05/09

    @Gann: There's also the fairly famous Milgram conformity experiment, which found that when people were instructed to harm strangers, they were a lot more likely to question those instructions when they could see and hear the victim; which suggests it was more stressful to do so.

    [en.wikipedia.org]
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    Image of Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny. Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.
    11/06/09

    @Gann: You know, I'm almost finished with it and would be happy to mail it to you when I'm done. PM me. #firstearthbattalion
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    Image of Belabras: now with Kung Fu grip! Belabras: now with Kung Fu grip!
    11/05/09

    In reply to The Real Psychic Soldier Behind The Men Who Stare at Goats
    The secret is - the goats stare back. #firstearthbattalion
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    Image of BadUncle BadUncle
    11/05/09

    In reply to The Real Psychic Soldier Behind The Men Who Stare at Goats
    The biggest challenge was convincing the Army to sleep in yurts. #firstearthbattalion
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