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    The Apocalypse Comes Early For Joss Whedon's Dollhouse

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    Image of nutbastard nutbastard
    11/13/09

    In reply to The Apocalypse Comes Early For Joss Whedon's Dollhouse
    "By the time the last episode airs, you'll know what my next project is. "

    you do have to admire his persistence.

    dammit, if every die hard firefly fan donated $100, do you think it could come back?? #dollhouse
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    11/13/09

    In reply to The Apocalypse Comes Early For Joss Whedon's Dollhouse
    motherfucker. dollhouse isn't the greatest show in the world - it's not firefly - but dammit, why was joss allowed to play with buffy, a clearly inferior show, for years on end but no one will let him finish anything? maybe he screws himself by over reaching with 5 season story arcs, but damn it. #dollhouse
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    Image of Chip Skylark of Space Chip Skylark of Space
    11/12/09

    In reply to The Apocalypse Comes Early For Joss Whedon's Dollhouse
    Well, if Joss is looking for a network to air his next TV show, I'd like to point out that Comcast is about to take over NBC (NBC management and Jay Leno will be taken out to the parking lot and lined up against the wall...).

    Once NBC has new management (and they wash that wall), they'll be looking for people to populate the schedule for next season. I'd be looking at folks like Joss Whedon and JJ Abrams and Bryan Fuller. Maybe if Haines and Hodges, who were talking about a US reboot of Primeval come forward, they could do it for the peacock crew.

    These companies and individuals can dust off concepts they want at that point, cause they'd have five more hours of programming to fill once Leno is put to rest. #dollhouse
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    Image of GreyGander GreyGander
    11/12/09

    In reply to The Apocalypse Comes Early For Joss Whedon's Dollhouse
    Dusku has difficulty acting, and when she was given something to do, she (acting as producer) made sure she was portrayed in a sultry light. In short, Echo core character showed no flaws, and her role as future savior wasn't all that compelling.

    The core concept of the brainwashed dolls then has to substitute for the "story of the week" story, and those were nothing more than... what has been noted elsewhere, "Fantasy Island II: Electric Boogaloo". What happened to the characters during their brainwashed jobs was shown to leak over to the doll state, but how that was handled just kind of flopped around like a dead fish. The characters never grew - and without history, every story is the "story of the week".

    Since the show has no history, and "Epitaph One" is the future, (or _one_ future) the show was going nowhere.

    Good stories and good shows are based on character conflict. If the conflict is wiped out at the end of each episode, it becomes a running joke (re: "Oh My God They Killed Kenny!") #dollhouse
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    Image of Pants McCracky Pants McCracky
    11/12/09

    In reply to The Apocalypse Comes Early For Joss Whedon's Dollhouse
    I've got mixed feelings about this news. Dollhouse definitely has had its moments, but for me, the current season has been a real chore to sit through. Granted, there were some excellent ideas floating through the series, but a successful show has to be about more than ideas and themes, and I don't think Dollhouse has lived up to its potential. It's a good show anchored to a weak lead actress who just isn't up to the demands of the role. Look at the fact that the strongest episodes to date have been the ones where Echo is secondary or absent; that's the primary cause of death right there. #dollhouse
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    Image of Dirk Anger Dirk Anger
    11/12/09

    In reply to The Apocalypse Comes Early For Joss Whedon's Dollhouse
    I'm sure many have said it before but:

    Dammit Fox!, Curse your sudden yet inevitable betrayal! #dollhouse
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    Image of Definer-not-defined Definer-not-defined
    11/12/09

    @Dirk Anger: Fox exec: mine is an evil laugh! #dollhouse
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    Image of gorehound gorehound
    11/12/09

    In reply to The Apocalypse Comes Early For Joss Whedon's Dollhouse
    Well at least the folks who followed this show will get an ending.us folks who followed TSCC got krap and got a cliffhanger ending never to be resolved.
    and i knew this show would never go anywhere. #dollhouse
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    Image of Harrison_Bergeron Harrison_Bergeron
    11/15/09

    @gorehound: That's the cruelest part about this, that an actually interesting and compelling show was sacrificed for Dollhouse in the hopes that Joss could do something/anything with it. #dollhouse
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    Image of twDarkflame twDarkflame
    11/12/09

    In reply to The Apocalypse Comes Early For Joss Whedon's Dollhouse
    Its really daft to cancel a show before getting a complete picture of ratings for the season.
    They should at least wait till the last episodes air.
    (Dollhouse really isnt doing that bad in the ratings when you compare it to Buffy. And Buffy also had a very poor start to season2 plotwise...series, that first episode..urg)

    That said, anything that pushs Joss more towards 100% online distribution is positive in my book.

    I dont just want more Dr Horrible, I want Joss to have his shows succeed/fail purely on how much the fans value them, and thats exactly what online will give him. #dollhouse
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    Image of gd01skorpius gd01skorpius
    11/12/09

    In reply to The Apocalypse Comes Early For Joss Whedon's Dollhouse
    Pretty much a given that if you make a show geared toward an audience who is tech-savvy, they're just going to download it instead of tuning in on a night that they are probably working. #dollhouse
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    Image of bookling bookling
    11/12/09

    @gd01skorpius: Right? Just because I'm a wage slave doesn't mean I don't wish I could be home every Friday night to tune into Dollhouse. I wonder if they take into account at all how many views the show gets on Hulu. #dollhouse
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    Image of gd01skorpius gd01skorpius
    11/12/09

    @bookling: Yeah, also to consider are the people who choose not to watch TV. By choice, I literally have not watched television in over a year, but I still have my favorite shows. There are also DVD rentals and DVD box set purchases to consider. #dollhouse
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    Image of MargaretMoony MargaretMoony
    11/11/09

    In reply to The Apocalypse Comes Early For Joss Whedon's Dollhouse
    Well, I'm sure this came as a surprise to no one. RIP Dollhouse. #dollhouse
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    Image of Rumblytums Rumblytums
    11/11/09

    In reply to The Apocalypse Comes Early For Joss Whedon's Dollhouse
    Oh my. I'm going to sob now. #dollhouse
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    Image of Evdor Evdor
    11/11/09

    In reply to The Apocalypse Comes Early For Joss Whedon's Dollhouse
    In all honesty: The show had its moments, but it's not surprise. The bad outweighed the good by a decent margin. Fox's meddling is likely to blame, but the premise just was not fit for Basic TV--and frankly, Joss' pithy, idiosyncratic dialogue is jarring when set in a story when people are sold as mind-controlled sex slaves.

    Also, he totally ripped this idea off from Bunraku parlors in Shadowrun. Just sayin'. #dollhouse
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    Image of Little Time Bomb Little Time Bomb
    11/11/09

    In reply to The Apocalypse Comes Early For Joss Whedon's Dollhouse
    Enough with the Dollhouse vs TSCC. I'm bringing it back to the old school, maybe now that Dollhouse is canceled Fox will realize they should have stuck with Firefly!
    In all seriousness Dollhouse had a longer run than I could have expected. Now I look forward to what projects some of these talented people will do next. #dollhouse
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    Image of PostMarque PostMarque
    11/11/09

    @Little Time Bomb: we need another procedural police drama #dollhouse
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    Image of Kyle Pinion Kyle Pinion
    11/12/09

    @PostMarque: No, we need another Hospital/Medical Drama! #dollhouse
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    Image of PostMarque PostMarque
    11/12/09

    @Kyle Pinion: are you thinking what i am thinking? Forensic Accounting Procedural Drama #dollhouse
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    Image of PostMarque PostMarque
    11/11/09

    In reply to The Apocalypse Comes Early For Joss Whedon's Dollhouse
    what happens if it is a huge ratings hit now? movie? #dollhouse
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    Image of Lassus Lassus
    11/11/09

    @PostMarque: You check your medication, because the hallucinations haven't stopped. #dollhouse
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    Image of PostMarque PostMarque
    11/11/09

    @Lassus: i like my medications... it gives me theories... like witches... but witches are wicked nice. #dollhouse
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    Image of icy_one icy_one
    11/11/09

    In reply to The Apocalypse Comes Early For Joss Whedon's Dollhouse
    If it hasn't been said, Dollhouse's cancellation also marks the end of Dushku's creative deal with Fox, if I remember correctly. So if anything, this is a sigh of relief for an actress who really got screwed on a contract. I doubt she has the chops to star in another project but I'd happily watch her try. #dollhouse
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    Image of SJ_Edwards SJ_Edwards
    11/11/09

    @icy_one:
    Eliza Dushku's 7 year 'contract', with Fox Broadcasting and 20th Century Fox, started in 2007 and finishes in 2014.

    Caroline/Echo's 5 year 'contract', with the Dollhouse and the Rossum Corporation, started in 2009 and finishes in 2014.

    Subtle, eh?

    It's why, a year into her Fox contract, Dushku asked her old mentor Whedon for help, why he said yes to his friend, why he came up with the concept and the name Dollhouse during their first conversation, why Fox only gave them two months to put it into production, why Fox stuck two fingers (and a thumb) into Whedon (and the production), like he was some kind of greased-up bowling ball and windmilled him round and around, like four-armed Vishnu winding up a softball pitch, until he dysenterically disgorged Dollhouse onto the screen.

    It's why Dollhouse was created, why it's so broken and why it's so worth watching.

    Oh, and it's why Fox mandates that the word 'prostitution' never be used on Dollhouse. #dollhouse
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    Image of icy_one icy_one
    11/12/09

    @SJ_Edwards: I was under the impression it was a 7 project deal, so now I am a little sadder that she is still stuck with a studio that would rather lock an actor in a box than put them to work. #dollhouse
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