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    Image of Jassen Jassen
    11/20/09

    In reply to Rare Dune Concept Art From One Of Space Opera's Greatest Visionaries
    You know Charlie Jane, i've only just gotten my R2-D2 t-shirt and then you go an post this. *sigh* I'm gonna have to freeze my credit card or start sending you the bills.
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    11/20/09

    In reply to Rare Dune Concept Art From One Of Space Opera's Greatest Visionaries
    I still own and cherish my copy of "20th Century Foss," the artbook put out by Dragon's Dream Publishers, which also put out beautiful and glossy books by Roger Dean, Syd Mead, and many others, back in the mid-70s and thereafter. (Time for a Dragon's Dream retrospective article / gallery, mayhap...?)
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    11/20/09

    @lorq: Ahem, of course I meant "21st Century Foss."
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    Image of Perhaps Not Perhaps Not
    11/20/09

    In reply to Rare Dune Concept Art From One Of Space Opera's Greatest Visionaries
    Yay, Jodo! Factoid: the new Metabarons GN has a lengthy sequence by AWOL WildC.A.T.S penciller Travis Charest, which is beyond awesome. The two of them on one book hugely rule.
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    Image of Tim Barribeau Tim Barribeau
    11/20/09

    In reply to Rare Dune Concept Art From One Of Space Opera's Greatest Visionaries
    Many of Jodorowsky's ideas for Dune were folded into his comics, like L'Incal and Metabarons. L'Incal is an utter braintrip, in the best sense of the word. Totally worth a read.
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    11/20/09

    In reply to Rare Dune Concept Art From One Of Space Opera's Greatest Visionaries
    My gods, those are some very colorful ships.
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    Image of cletar cletar
    11/20/09

    In reply to Rare Dune Concept Art From One Of Space Opera's Greatest Visionaries
    I don't remember "Pirates of Dune."

    I like the pictures, though.
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    Image of CmdrHunt (aka Clarence Colton) CmdrHunt (aka Clarence Colton)
    11/20/09

    @cletar: I like that title!

    You've got yourself another Kevin J. Anderson Dune series right there!
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    Image of FrankenPC FrankenPC
    11/20/09

    In reply to Rare Dune Concept Art From One Of Space Opera's Greatest Visionaries
    I used to have two artwork books from this guy. Very distinctive imagination.

    My mom threw them out when I left for college :-(
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    Image of Zenuflecked Zenuflecked
    11/20/09

    @FrankenPC: Oh, that is so unfortunate. I managed to hold on to my copies of 3 of his books. I never got the star liners book unfortunately, but I had the spacecraft, spacewars, and spacewrecks. Someone is doing a revival of the storyline that ran behind these for an RPG.
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    11/20/09

    @Zenuflecked: Mine were Starliners and Spacecraft. I've never seen Spacewars. I'll have to amble on over to Amazon and take a look see.

    #calendar
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    Image of KhaiJB KhaiJB
    11/20/09

    @Zenuflecked: the ones you mean by Stewart Cowley?
    I have them - Spacecraft 2000-2100, Spacewrecks, Great Spacebattles and the Spaceliners one.

    Foss wasn't actually involved with this series.. the work by other artists is very similar tho.

    Edit
    Forgot to note there is a Spacewars book, that is Spacecraft 2000-2100 and Spacebattles in one Edition.
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    Image of FrankenPC FrankenPC
    11/20/09

    @Zenuflecked: Holy mother of gawd :-O Starliners goes from ~100$-~300$ on Amazon!
    (Shakes fist~!) Damn you mom!!!
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    Image of KhaiJB KhaiJB
    11/20/09

    @FrankenPC: get away from my copy!
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    11/20/09

    @KhaiJB: heres the full set

    [www.amazon.com]
    [www.amazon.com]
    [www.amazon.com]
    [www.amazon.com]

    now get your mits off my copies. MINE!
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    Image of Zenuflecked Zenuflecked
    11/21/09

    @FrankenPC: yeah, I was avoiding mentioning that aspect. If I wasn't so attached to mine I'd collect some cash for them.
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    Image of KhaiJB KhaiJB
    11/20/09

    In reply to Rare Dune Concept Art From One Of Space Opera's Greatest Visionaries
    aah Foss... shaped my view of spacecraft ever since I can remember...
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    Image of Jassen Jassen
    11/20/09

    @KhaiJB: I know what you mean, my father used to read me the Lensmen series as bedtime stories so i went to sleep looking at those covers.
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    Image of Bill-Lee Bill-Lee
    10/09/09

    In reply to Frank Herbert's Greatest Influence Was Rachel Carson
    Frank Herbert's trip to Oregon where he witnessed the USDA'S attempts to use poverty grass to stop the movement of sand dunes occurred sometime in 1957. Silent Spring was published in 1962. The first installment of what became Dune was published in 1963. If Herbert read Silent Spring at all, it was when he was already finished with Dune and had already submitted it to publishers. There were other ecologists in the world in the 1950s and 1960s besides Rachel Carson and other events in the world that influenced Herbert other than the publication of Silent Spring. One of major influence was the increasing power of just 12 nations over the world's oil supply. The Spacing Guild's monopoly over space travel seems to predict the founding of OPEC which occurred just 2 years later.
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    10/09/09

    @Bill-Lee: Now if we were talking about Herbert's later novel, The Green Brain, Glenn might have an argument. However, The Green Brain was published 1966 and ecology/environmentalism were more widely accepted by then. Lovelock was formulating what would become the Gaia hypothesis by then and The Green Brain fits into the zeitgeist of the time.
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    Image of Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H. Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
    10/09/09

    In reply to Frank Herbert's Greatest Influence Was Rachel Carson
    If "Silent Spring" came out after "Dune" was already finished (which it would have to have been, if Analog had bought it and was printing it, given lead times), how could it be an influence? It's impossible without time travel!

    More likely both Carson and Herbert were reacting to the growing ideas of ecology at that time.
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    Image of Null.Aleph Null.Aleph
    10/09/09

    In reply to Frank Herbert's Greatest Influence Was Rachel Carson
    I've seen nothing from what I've read of Frank Herbert including interviews to suggest he was influenced at all by Carlson. Maybe I'm mistaken, but frankly this Glenn fella's whole little piece was off.

    There is a much better breakdown of 'Dune' here: [moongadget.com]
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    Image of guspaz guspaz
    10/09/09

    In reply to Frank Herbert's Greatest Influence Was Rachel Carson
    Carson? Ugh. Carson was a quack whose pseudoscience caused a misguided public outcry that is now responsible for millions of deaths. In many ways, she's responsible for more deaths than nearly all of history's most notorious figures.

    While DDT was never banned for disease control usage, the public current against it had an impact on disease control as well. The worst part of all this is that DDT *WAS* abused for agricultural use, spraying massive quantities far greater than is used for disease control. This causes resistance in mosquitoes, and renders DDT less effective or ineffective for the very tasks at which it SHOULD be used for; saving lives, not crops.
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    Image of Jonny_eh Jonny_eh
    10/09/09

    In reply to Frank Herbert's Greatest Influence Was Rachel Carson
    Apparently Rachel Carson's theory for why smoking was harmful was that tobacco was sprayed with pesticides.
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    Image of ahmacrom ahmacrom
    10/09/09

    In reply to Frank Herbert's Greatest Influence Was Rachel Carson
    "GET OUT OF MY ECOLOGICAL MIND!"
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    Image of J_Frank_Parnell J_Frank_Parnell
    10/09/09

    In reply to Frank Herbert's Greatest Influence Was Rachel Carson
    Alot of Herbert's works (yes, he wrote books besides Dune) deal with environmental themes. Worth checkin' out.
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    Image of tetracycloide tetracycloide
    10/09/09

    @J_Frank_Parnell: you lie!
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