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Gein07
12/12/09

In reply to Fringe Solves the Mystery of Walter's Madness
I just jumped onto the Fringe scene this season and am so far loving it. Now, it may be my ignorance of the preceding seasons, but I am getting the sense that this world's Peter died some time ago, and Walter opened the doorway to the parallel universe to gain access to that universe's version of his son. I'm pretty sure this is a mundane revelation for those of you who have watched the whole thing start to finish, but to me I think it is a great narrative arc, and if it is as I suppose it is, I can't wait to see what happens when Peter realizes he is a native of the other universe.
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12/12/09

@Gein07: From what we know, you would seem to assume very correctly.
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jelam
12/12/09

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What I don't understand is this: Why do the other Universe people need to know how to make Walter's door? They've obviously made one themselves since they are now over here. Otherwise, these super-soldiers wouldn't be here. They HAD to get over here somehow. Why can't they use that? Anyone have an answer?
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mekki
12/12/09

@jelam: Because you only have so many supersoldiers. Imagine if you can get vast armies of regular people as well as their machines.
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Belabras
12/12/09

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Fringe continues to satisfy. Stay freaky you crazy funsters!
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mekki
12/11/09

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I've noticed that they have been hiding not only Observers in every episode but, lately, glyphs as well.
lab where the worm monsters were being extracted from the bodies last week. There were several on the graffiti wall where Olivia and fake Charlie were fighting at.) This week there was a butterfly on the glass window of the mental hospital's activity room.

And once again, Abrams managed to slip in a Star Wars reference with Olivia's license place of 1C3PO1.

The most heartbreaking scene for me was during the slide show when Walter was asked what he thought when he looked at certain pictures.

Picture of a kid on the beach.
WALTER: Peter!
Picture of pudding.
WALTER: (giggling) Peter!
Picture of a casket.
WALTER: (tearing up.) ....Peter...

It reminds you just how much Walter thinks of his son.
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Bigdamnhero
12/12/09

@mekki: Picture of a kid on the beach.
WALTER: Peter!
Picture of pudding.
WALTER: (giggling) Peter!
Picture of a casket.
WALTER: (tearing up.) ....Peter...

John Noble rocks. This scene is some of the best TV I've ever seen. Noble needs an Emmy nomination next year.
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TemporalOutLaw
12/14/09

@mekki: It wasn't pudding, it was custard. Don't you remember how much of a fuss Walter made for Peter's birthday and made him custard.
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mekki
12/14/09

@TemporalOutLaw: Sorry. Someone must of dug out that part of my brain with the memory attached.
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lava
12/11/09

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I think Olivia played it completely wrong. Why would Newton bother to leave an antidote that would actually work, rather than just a prop to help him get away. Because he's a polite soldier that keeps his word? No. The answer of course is because he needed Walter alive as well. If Olivia had realized this she could have confronted him. He would have been forced to play his card, give the remedy, been apprehended, left perhaps hoping for an opportunity to escape.
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Bigdamnhero
12/12/09

@lava: I'm not sure about that. I think that Newton actually intended to kill Walter, and silence the only other (known) source of info on how to make a door to the Alt-U. But he also had the antidote as a failsafe, in case he got caught and somebody showed up -- which they did.
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lava
12/12/09

@Bigdamnhero: no, you don't get it either. Put yourself in Newton's shoes. If you wanted to kill Walter, and be sure you get away, then the antidote you leave is phony. Olivia runs back picks up Peter's phone, and there is nothing, because you ditched her phone and scampered off, and Walter is still dead.

I don't buy that Newton was being honorable, or polite - this guy is supposed to be scheming to destroy our world. The only reason to keep Walter alive is if it would help him do that. He needs Walter as much as they did.

Olivia held the winning hand and did not see it.
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CSX321
12/12/09

@lava: She should have shot him in the knees until he talked.
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12/12/09

@CSX321: That is exactly what I said to my husband last night, "Right kneecap, left kneecap, gun to the head." Olivia needs to step it up.
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Trai_Dep
12/12/09

@it must be bunnies: But she's not Jack Bauer, thank the gods.
Walter's a worlds-spanning genius, more precious than rubies. I think Newton would just as soon not destroy someone like that unless he absolutely had to. Much like the victims who had Walter's brain inserted into them: he has no compunction against getting dirty, but lacking a compelling reason, he'd aver from needless slaughter.
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graveslids
12/12/09

@it must be bunnies: WOW! Your's is the only incidence I've ever see in regards to Dunham not being trigger-happy enough.
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12/12/09

@graveslids: Well, I must admit I was a little anxious that he had hurt Walter! Walter in his present state is so innocent and childlike I just want to protect him.
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Chip Overclock
12/11/09

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I noticed Astrid was carrying a sidearm (a Glock I think, same as Olivia, and currently FBI issue IIRC) when she was in Walter's old house. So she's not just a technician.
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Ghost_in_the_Machine
12/11/09

@Chip Overclock: She's always been called Agent Farnsworth so I assume she's been through the FBI academy. I bet the weapon's usually nearby when she's in the lab (not near enough last week though).
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Chip Overclock
12/12/09

@Ghost_in_the_Machine: There's a difference, I think (I'm not an expert on these things, I'm just unfocused) between "Agent" and "Special Agent". The latter are the ones that have had the tactical training.

Then again, it is television, and I like Astrid. So I'm going with it.
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Ghost_in_the_Machine
12/12/09

@Chip Overclock: All FBI agents are "Special Agents" (IIRC it was a PR gimmick by Hoover). But like you said, it's the TV FBI so Astrid is an agent instead of a non-agent FBI employee.
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12/12/09

@Chip Overclock: I was hoping that we were going to see Astrid kick some ass.
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punx001
12/11/09

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OK, there's no guarantee that he would have still given her the color sequence to save Walter, but why didn't Olivia just shoot Newton in the kneecaps, so even though she'd give him her phone and dashed back, he couldn't get too far away once they saved Walter?

Sadly, with the info he got from rewiring Walter's brain, I doubt we'll see him surface again unless he actually manages to get the door working, kinda like when DRJ did it last season...
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Yamato
12/11/09

@punx001: think about it hes got 1 min and 45 secs to live, are you going to play aroudn with 3 bottles colored red, blue and green and wing it to see if the antidote works? Walter is more important alive then dead. You can always catch the bad guys the next day.
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Chuck
12/11/09

@Yamato: Besides, she might have noticed the other guy was busy bleeding mercury, and figured that a "disable" shot was fairly useless if this guy was a walking thermometer too (which he was, IIRC from the show where they found his head.)
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Furriner
12/11/09

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David Robert Jones is David Bowie's real name. Thomas Jerome Newton was The Man Who Fell to Earth.
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Chip Overclock
12/11/09

@Furriner: Wasn't one of the victims named Stuart Gordon? Of REANIMATOR fame?
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DrLocrian
12/11/09

@Chip Overclock: Yup. Plenty of Lovecraft nods in this ep: Mrs. Crampton, Dr. West, Dunwich Hospital.
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DrLocrian
12/11/09

@DrLocrian: Damn. Just saw the posts below. Sorry about that.
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Chip Overclock
12/12/09

@DrLocrian: Yeah, I was late to the party too!
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Rocketknight
12/11/09

In reply to Fringe Solves the Mystery of Walter's Madness
Right. So I saw an excerpt from last week's episode that showed an Observer and I can't find the Observer from this week's episode. Somebody wanna point it out to me?
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mekki
12/11/09

@Rocketknight: When Peter, Olivia and the rest of the FBI unit are charging down into the subway to find Walter via the GPS signal, right on the street, way in the background is the Observer standing right behind a white car with a yellow wall behind him. He is blurry but it's hard to mistake the pale guy in a suit with a Fedora for anyone else.
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downdb
12/11/09

In reply to Fringe Solves the Mystery of Walter's Madness
So, one of the brain implantees was named "Stuart Gordon", and another's last name was "Crampton". There was also the mental hospital in Dunwich.

HP Lovecraft much?
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jccalhoun
12/11/09

@downdb: Yes, this episode had a lot of Lovecraft name-checks (or perhaps more accurately Re-Animator name-checks since Stuart Gordon is the director/writer of the Re-Animator films)
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Chip Overclock
12/11/09

@jccalhoun: Yep, you beat me to it.
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Chuck
12/11/09

@jccalhoun: I was mildly disappointed that the vials the bad guy left to inject Walter with were red, blue and yellow, instead of glowing green...
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DrMathochist
12/11/09

In reply to Fringe Solves the Mystery of Walter's Madness
We haven't seen the bowling alley guy because he's busy trying to get Veronica into AA in Mercy.
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Tomb: R.O.A.C.H.
12/11/09

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Sane Walter was insanely scary. He turned into someone that I thought could beat up his kids.
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Emma C. Moore
12/11/09

@Tomb: R.O.A.C.H.: Or send them off on a suicide mission to retake Osgiliath from the Orcs.
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Darklighter
12/11/09

@Tomb: R.O.A.C.H.: Yeah. It was like someone flipped his sinister switch. From his very first sane line (which was totally innocuous) I was crossing my fingers that he'd be crazy again by the end of the episode.
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bookling
12/11/09

@Emma C. Moore: OH MY GOD. I didn't realize that was Walter until you just said it! I knew I recognized him from somewhere when I started watching the show!
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12/12/09

@Emma C. Moore: Bravo!
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Bigdamnhero
12/11/09

In reply to Fringe Solves the Mystery of Walter's Madness
Tangent: Does anybody else get a kick that the major bad guys have middle names? Thomas Jerome Newton. David Robert Jones.

I hope they keep doing this... it's those extra syllables that makes them sound so evil! Mwaaaah ha ha!
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SJ_Edwards
12/11/09

@Bigdamnhero: ... Ashley Edward Miller?
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zsrtree
12/11/09

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I am convinced that the big bad guy behind everything that has ever happened on this show is going to be Walter's analogue from the other universe, in revenge for stealing his son. Think about that for a minute.
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bookling
12/11/09

@zsrtree: One of my friends has been working on that theory for a while. It's based on the scene from season one where Walter visits the hospital again, and then sees another Walter watching him. So, my friend says, this is Other Walter, coming to take his Peter back.
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Chuck
12/11/09

In reply to Fringe Solves the Mystery of Walter's Madness
Okay, it's that time again...

So who else responded to Broyles' "There's only one Walter Bishop" with "There's more than one of everything, agent Broyles..."
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Bigdamnhero
12/11/09

@Chuck: This is going to turn into some kind of audience participation thing at cons in the future, like Rocky Horror or OMWF.

Oh, and yes.
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Chuck
12/11/09

@Bigdamnhero: I still like the idea of a sci-fi bar where we can all watch it on projection TVs and invent drinking games...
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Bigdamnhero
12/12/09

@Chuck: Nice. A sports bar, but for geeks. My kind of place.
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