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    Image of wanion wanion
    07:13 PM

    In reply to The New York Times Columnist Who's Helping To Ruin The Future
    "but I think it's naive to ignore the trend of the past century - or the past 10,000 years."

    Oh really, 10,000 whole years? Wow, a species manages to stick around for a few millennia and and it's all set to discover perpetual motion, fairy dust, or whatever fantasy technology it's going to take to bring about his bright, exponentially expanding, no-strings-attached future.

    Which is just going off his opening about how the critics of his Kurzweil love letter believe: "that, just as bacteria proliferating in a petri dish will eventually exhaust the resources, we too will hit a limit. I think these skeptics are missing the lessons of history"
    What's the lesson? That just because humans haven't yet hit a limit on the finite amount of resources on the planet, that there must not be one?

    And then there's this: "Unlike Malthus, we can look around and see that we already have the energy and technology to feed a larger population than exists on Earth today." Yes, I'm sure it's easy to see when you're sitting around in New York, in the United States, and not, say, some country where starvation is a routine occurrence. I'm sure JT can also see how much bigger a population we can feed and also when we'll have to stop the growth of the human population at its current rate, and also how to do this without hurting anybody's feelings. #ecology
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    Image of Anekanta - Space Hippy! Anekanta - Space Hippy!
    05:36 PM

    In reply to The New York Times Columnist Who's Helping To Ruin The Future
    Well put CJ. This Tierney dude sounds incredibly naive about problems like poverty, famine, and disease which already exist today--which seems inexcusable for a science columnist for a major newspaper.

    Unfortunately this is pretty common--an unwavering faith in progress that denies the reality that nothing in this world comes without consequences. #ecology
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    Image of DrMathochist DrMathochist
    04:37 PM

    In reply to The New York Times Columnist Who's Helping To Ruin The Future
    (a) Tierney's neither a skeptic nor overly gullible; he's a contrarian. He's the guy in the audience at Cloverfield rooting for the monster.

    (b) As I and every other mathematician keep saying, EXPONENTIAL GROWTH DOES NOT LEAD TO A SINGULARITY. THERE IS NO BLOW-UP IN FINITE TIME UNDER THESE CONDITIONS. THIS IS COVERED IN CALCULUS 2, PEOPLE! #ecology
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    Image of FunkyJ FunkyJ
    04:31 PM

    In reply to The New York Times Columnist Who's Helping To Ruin The Future
    Funny how you bash Tierney for believing in myths, but then fall for one of the biggest myths about humankind - the Dark Ages.

    The Dark Ages were a myth, expounded by Renaissance scholars and those with an axe to grind against the Roman Catholic Church.

    Recent excavations and discoveries in Europe and England have revealed the whole idea that humanity dwindled into a technological and social backwater is, in the words on one scholar, pure bollocks.

    Watch just one season of Time Team and you'll quickly come to realise the Europeans of that time were far from technologically and socially backwards. #ecology
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    Image of TheGreat&PowerfulTurtle TheGreat&PowerfulTurtle
    04:07 PM

    In reply to The New York Times Columnist Who's Helping To Ruin The Future
    Are you kidding? Libertarian Randroids and Transhumanism go together like peanut butter and bacon.
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    Image of The_Sporean_Bob The_Sporean_Bob
    07:38 PM

    @TheGreat&PowerfulTurtle: HAHAHAHA, Randroids!
    Do I have your permission to use that term? #ecology
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    Image of TheGreat&PowerfulTurtle TheGreat&PowerfulTurtle
    08:56 PM

    @The_Sporean_Bob: I wish I could claim it as my invention.

    [en.wikipedia.org] #ecology
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    Image of HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H. HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.
    03:58 PM

    In reply to The New York Times Columnist Who's Helping To Ruin The Future
    Interesting he should refer to the folks he disagrees with as Cassandras... IIRC, wasn't Cassandra completely correct in everything she prophesized, but cursed so that nobody would listen to a word she said? #ecology
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    Image of Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H. Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
    05:35 PM

    @HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.: Exactly. She was 100% correct.

    So the irony here is staggering, and he obviously doesn't realize it. #ecology
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    Image of Fedaykin Fedaykin
    09:11 PM

    @Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.: My thought exactly. And if I demand nothing else from my Times columnists, it's a proper use of metaphors referencing Hellenic mythology. #ecology
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    Image of Byronotron Byronotron
    09:54 PM

    @Fedaykin: haha, well his misuse is the whole head smacking point. he said the EXACT OPPOSITE of what he was trying to, and thus shows the depth of his ineptitude. #ecology
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    Image of Elizabeth Weinbloom Elizabeth Weinbloom
    02:46 PM

    In reply to The New York Times Columnist Who's Helping To Ruin The Future
    Wonderful column! Lots of things to think about. Should keep me occupied while I eat my Singularity-provided unlimited rice pudding. #ecology
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    Image of Jeremy Tapsell Jeremy Tapsell
    02:34 PM

    In reply to The New York Times Columnist Who's Helping To Ruin The Future
    ok.. so that didnt work.

    Hmmmmmm
    :P
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    Image of Chip Skylark of Space Chip Skylark of Space
    02:13 PM

    In reply to The New York Times Columnist Who's Helping To Ruin The Future

    Wasn't "Malthus Vs. The Singularity" an episode of CHUCK? The one where Bryce Larkin bailed out for WHITE COLLAR? #ecology
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    Image of Jeremy Tapsell Jeremy Tapsell
    02:12 PM

    In reply to The New York Times Columnist Who's Helping To Ruin The Future

    #ecology
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    Image of gorehound gorehound
    02:00 PM

    In reply to The New York Times Columnist Who's Helping To Ruin The Future
    I am no real scientist but to me it does not take a lot of intelligence to realize if you keep putting trash somewhere it will effect the area.
    Just keep putting pollution into the air and it will do something bad.
    Yes the Earth does go thru climate cycles and we all know that one but greenhouse gasses do bring as temperature up and that one is proved in labs.
    As far as I think nowadays I will go on record as stating that Global Warming is due to both the natural Earth Climate along with us polluting the air.Both things are happening and both are casuing climate issues. #ecology
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    Image of Roklimber Roklimber
    01:58 PM

    In reply to The New York Times Columnist Who's Helping To Ruin The Future
    "We have decades to figure out ways to deal with it: to find carbon-free sources of energy, to develop techniques for removing carbon from the atmosphere or geoengineering the climate, or simply to adapt."

    We have decades? Where's the evidence for that? Moreover, if it boils down to adapting, I'd like to remind Mr. Tierney that species do NOT adapt to significant changes to the environment in a matter of decades, not even us oh-mighty humans. #ecology
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    Image of Jonny_eh Jonny_eh
    02:10 PM

    @Roklimber: And adaptation usually requires the weak to die out. That's how evolution works. As humans, we want everyone to live, not just the best adapted. #ecology
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    Image of Roklimber Roklimber
    02:15 PM

    @Jonny_eh: Indeed. #ecology
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    Image of daveNYC daveNYC
    01:56 PM

    In reply to The New York Times Columnist Who's Helping To Ruin The Future
    "and how do you measure how many human brains $1,000 will buy you?)"

    Two words: Homeless People.

    I also like how his post about Kurzweil's Law basically boils down to "This time it's different." #ecology
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    Image of vinylrake vinylrake
    03:21 PM

    @daveNYC: It really depends on market forces. Right now human brains are a buyer's market (e.g. Cheap because there are more human brains around than people to use them - at least that's my perception based on popular western culture), but after the Zombie apocalypse is in full swing, it will be brain sellers who will really be in the catbird seat.

    In fact, I am going to start hoarding now so I am prepared, when brains become the new gold standard, i don't want to be left behind. #ecology
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    Image of Cash907Censored Cash907Censored
    01:51 PM

    In reply to The New York Times Columnist Who's Helping To Ruin The Future
    Ya know what I love? The whole "Global Warming Denier" BS line, like it's actual scientific fact and not a theory based on some computer models. As for a scientific consensus, when did we reach that again, exactly, because last time I checked there were over 30,000 reputable scientists who disagreed with the man-made global warming theory. You can't make a film that presents a theory and weak evidence, claim "the debate is over," then put your fingers in your ears and go "la la la la la la la" when other people attempt to debate you.

    If the science can't stand up to scrutiny, then it's crap science and should be publicly questioned. The real problem are the people that treat Global Warming like it is some kind of religion, attacking anyone who happens to disagree with said religion. Science attacks the argument, not the person behind the argument, and by failing to do this the pro-global warming crowd surrenders any sort of legitimacy. As far as I'm concerned, the only legitimate pro global warming advocate is Ed Bagely Jr., who actually walks the walk, and isn't trying to make others feel like garbage for living their lives in the mainstream so they'll go buy the solar panels and carbon credits they somewhat secretly have a financial stake in. Yes Al, I'm talking about you, ya empty suit with daddy issues.

    So anyway, if you want to be adult and scientific about the whole thing, hows about calling them the anti-global warming crowd, instead of this PR spin Denier garbage? Science is a debate, not a religion, so lets not blur the lines here ok? #ecology
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    Image of Darklighter Darklighter
    02:10 PM

    @Cash907Censored: There's plenty of scientific consensus. At this point, climate change deniers rank with people who think the LHC is going to create a black hole and destroy the planet on the credibility scale. #ecology
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    Image of Jonny_eh Jonny_eh
    02:12 PM

    @Cash907Censored: Global warming deniers are called deniers when their best arguments amount to ad hominems or have been debunked (like that global warming theory is all based on computer models), yet continue to use them.

    Why don't they get legitimate scientific criticisms published in peer-reviewed scientific papers instead of the political mainstream media? Oh right, because of that massive conspiracy.
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    Darklighter promoted this comment Edited by Jonny_eh at 11/09/09 2:13 PM Jonny_eh was starred Jonny_eh was unstarred
    Image of FunkyJ FunkyJ
    04:49 PM

    @Jonny_eh:

    For the record, I'm NOT a denier.

    I live in Australia where there has been drought for 15 years. It used to rain on my birthday, but last year there were record highs. We're going through the longest and hottest heatwave in November on record. Dust clouds are stopping our major cities from functioning properly.

    There is no doubt in my mind all of this is directly related to human activity and climate change.

    However, the way the "mainstream" locks out the "fringe" science - no matter how scientifically valuable it actually is - is my biggest fear in all this.

    If you're a scientist who's paid by Exxon, no matter what you find or prove for or against climate change, it will not be considered for scientific consideration by the Royal Society of Scientists.

    This is fact, not conspiracy.

    Climate change supporters constantly say to those who offer up alternative reasons for climate change to "get your paper peer reviewed". And yet those publications which do peer reviews DO NOT ACCEPT THOSE PAPERS because of who they are commissioned by.

    So I ask - how is this science?

    How is denying a whole range of papers on this topic proper scientific evaluation simply because they're not paid for by the "right people" acceptable to the scientific community? #ecology
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    Image of ManchuCandidate ManchuCandidate
    01:33 PM

    In reply to The New York Times Columnist Who's Helping To Ruin The Future
    Shorter rant: John Tierny is a fatuous prick. #ecology
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