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shameless tie-in to / inspired by blackest night maybe? Written by Johns, after all, and featuring the Earth 2 superman, who was a member of the JSA, who has come back to life...
I mean, i don't watch the show or anything, and Earth-2 was technically destroyed, remade, maybe destroyed again, or whatever in the books - but there's no reason they can't have the JSA be from another dimension.
Honestly, SHAZAM! needs to be a kid's movie. His whole schtick is that he's a kid's wish-fulfillment fantasy. You say a magic word and you turn into a grown-up superhero!Trying to make him more appealing to adults is really missing the point.
I don't think it works as a Dark Knight-esque film (and it's ridiculous that every studio wants to turn their comic properties into that), but I can definitely see it becoming the kind of kid's movie that adults like--as in Spider-man, The Incredibles, Mask of the Phantasm, etc. Who doesn't want to see a Capt. Marvel movie animated in that Jeff Smith style from his one-shot a few years back?
I think they should un-apologetically dive into the magic mythos of Marvel and part way through, turn out the lights. Have magic meet the dark nature of the human condition.
I think that audiences are a little more sophisticated and a lot more jaded today. In an era that cherishes Heath Ledger's psychopathic take on The Joker there is no way, NO WAY, that we are going to accept a superhero who has to cry out "Shazam!" in order to be all superhero-y. The only way it would work is as a kids movie.
@omgwtflolbbqbye: I don't recall spider-man screaming anything at the top of his lungs to become Spidey. I haven't seen the films recently so my memory might be cloudy.
@drukus: Except that Batman was never created to be the retarded campfest that Adam West's TV show and the Joel Schumacher movies made him out to be.
If you want a Batman movie for small children AND adults, take a look at Tim Burton's Batman films. Or the Superman movies. Or the Spider-Man movies. The X-Men movies are good for kids, too.
Please, don't try to act like we're turning superhero comics into ultraviolent affairs.
@VergessenHeld: Uh, have you read any of the early Batman comics?
Finger and Kane weren't exactly doing noir (albeit it was probably 'darker' than most other strips of the time). Also the 60s tv series was taking most of its cues from the Dick Sprang golden age era of strips that predated it by about 40 years, so they weren't really setting a precedent for campiness.
@omgwtflolbbqbye: Let's nip this in the bud before it becomes too late: "Batman's rich history allows him to be interpreted in a multitude of ways. [A lighter incarnation] is certainly no less valid and true to the character's roots then the tortured avenger, crying out for mommy and daddy."
I heard in Geoff John's outline for the movie, the film's plot centers on why Captain Marvel is such a lame ass impotent nobody in comparison to the total macho glory that is Hal Jordon's Green Lantern and Barry Allen's Flash, who he just refers to within the script as 'the greatest beings ever conceived by anybody ever'.
i used to love zombies. now there is too many zombies. most poorply done. i wish the entertainment industry wouldn't jump on a particular bandwagon and feed us teh same stuff till we cant stomach it anymore....
both Dc and marvel have jump the gun when it comes to bringing back dead characters , Marvel had Magneto, jean grey ,cyclops and etc . So there no better for it than Dc is .
But Dc series the blackest night was planned and slowly put together .
Marvels new seris looks to be just thrown togther .
This is wonderfully written out, Alasdair, but I have to admit, it seems over-thought by more than half. I don't mean to be cynical, but the entirety of the reasoning seems the title of entry #3. And you probably didn't even need the explanation after that.
"an era of self-consciously grim and gritty (and thus death-filled) comics have been replaced by ones more concerned with the history of the medium, often bringing back long forgotten elements and plot points from the Silver and Bronze Ages."
To which I can only say:
w00t!
I'm firmly a Bronze Age kid, so I'm loving the return to a wider set of styles of comics. B:tB&tB is delighting me with bringing back characters from way way back in the day.
Maybe this zombie crap will go out of style soon (at the rate it's being pushed in every medium, probably so) and this will the last gasp *grr, argh* of it. We'll look back at Black Lanterns and P&P&Z and think "Oh, that's sooo 2009."
It'd be nice to get back to some heroics, some colors other than black and gray, some time of day other than night. Maybe an occasional laugh or two! (in a comic book? that's crazy talk)
There's a lot to say about the thematic import of these stories, but, really, I think the economic rationale is what's driving them: Zombies are (amazingly, after, what, five years since their deconstruction in _Shaun of the Dead_) still hot, and the publishers are trying to hop on that bandwagon.
Glad to see they're THINKING about what to do with them AFTER they decide to hop on the bandwagon, though.
@capnrob & Kriegaffe10: Excellent work with some interesting connections. That Alan Moore tale might be quite significant to this whole current Black Lantern kerfluffle.
Do any of you remember that it was that particular story in Green Lantern Corps Annual #2 in 1986 that got O'Neill's very art style BANNED by the Comics Code? "Too pointy & icky" they cried. That same year DC published Metalzooic, the first creator-owned book to come from DC, done by Pat Mills and Kevin O'Neill. A beginnining of the end of that antiquated censorship bullshit.
@Grey_Area:
Simon Garth sort've was a superhero zombie, he'd go zombie via the Amulet then do what he had to do. Check out the Marvel Essentials Tales of the Zombie book.
An alternate version of the Zombie joined Nick Fury's Howlin' Comandos.
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I mean, i don't watch the show or anything, and Earth-2 was technically destroyed, remade, maybe destroyed again, or whatever in the books - but there's no reason they can't have the JSA be from another dimension.
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Johns is also working on that Metal Men script, right?
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This could be really cool.
ooh, and Billy Batson better have an afro.
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I am confused by the current thinking that if I movie is only enjoyable by adults if it is inappropriate for children.
This is kind of sad really. All these characters we love so much (Batman included) were primarily created for the enjoyment of children.
However, in our never-ending battle to have our every geek fantasy played out on film we are killing superheroes for the next generation.
We loved superheroes when we were kids because they were heroic, not because they were violent.
08/20/09
But the entire tone of the 1st movie, half the 2nd, and most of the 3rd were pretty light and cartoony.
I'm pointing out that's it shortsighted to assume that the only market for a superhero film is if it's nitty-gritty.
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If you want a Batman movie for small children AND adults, take a look at Tim Burton's Batman films. Or the Superman movies. Or the Spider-Man movies. The X-Men movies are good for kids, too.
Please, don't try to act like we're turning superhero comics into ultraviolent affairs.
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Finger and Kane weren't exactly doing noir (albeit it was probably 'darker' than most other strips of the time). Also the 60s tv series was taking most of its cues from the Dick Sprang golden age era of strips that predated it by about 40 years, so they weren't really setting a precedent for campiness.
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Geoff johns is pretty damn good writer.
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But Dc series the blackest night was planned and slowly put together .
Marvels new seris looks to be just thrown togther .
like Captain America : reborn.
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08/02/09
To which I can only say:
w00t!
I'm firmly a Bronze Age kid, so I'm loving the return to a wider set of styles of comics. B:tB&tB is delighting me with bringing back characters from way way back in the day.
Maybe this zombie crap will go out of style soon (at the rate it's being pushed in every medium, probably so) and this will the last gasp *grr, argh* of it. We'll look back at Black Lanterns and P&P&Z and think "Oh, that's sooo 2009."
It'd be nice to get back to some heroics, some colors other than black and gray, some time of day other than night. Maybe an occasional laugh or two! (in a comic book? that's crazy talk)
08/02/09
Glad to see they're THINKING about what to do with them AFTER they decide to hop on the bandwagon, though.
08/02/09
08/02/09
@thefunnyone: DC does have Deadman. Boston Brand first showed up in'67. But the whole super undead thing is silly, ain't it?
08/02/09
@Grey_Area:
Marvel's Simon Garth aka Zombie in 1953! :D
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08/02/09
Best I could do; apparently the Comics Code used to ban zombies.
08/02/09
Do any of you remember that it was that particular story in Green Lantern Corps Annual #2 in 1986 that got O'Neill's very art style BANNED by the Comics Code? "Too pointy & icky" they cried. That same year DC published Metalzooic, the first creator-owned book to come from DC, done by Pat Mills and Kevin O'Neill. A beginnining of the end of that antiquated censorship bullshit.
But I digress.
08/04/09
Simon Garth sort've was a superhero zombie, he'd go zombie via the Amulet then do what he had to do. Check out the Marvel Essentials Tales of the Zombie book.
An alternate version of the Zombie joined Nick Fury's Howlin' Comandos.