@ldevitt: and keep your Light Cycle away from my thinly veiled, yet unrelated, and overused allegory for society's dependence on technology - produced by Brian Singer.
I'm confused. The attack only kills off those who had plugged themselves into the 'Tubes? Is the story about how nobody else even notices they're dead except the finance department at Blizzard Entertainment as they eventually stop receiving WoW subscription payments?
@papercup mixmaster: Alternately, if the internet in the near future has evolved to the point where only the people who are plugged directly into it can do anything useful with it, there could be a kind of a neat pseudo-apocalypse story in those guys getting killed off.
I'm a singularity skeptic too. It's not that I don't believe that humans will eventually use technology totally re-shape their biology and re-define the species, it's not that I believe that synthetic creatures with superhuman intelligence are impossible, it's just that I don't these things will usher in heaven.
We've already been through several cultural transitions that seem Vingian already. The societies that emerged after them were barely possible to imagine in the societies that existed before. A hunter gatherer can't imagine e-mail spam. It's as simple as that.
@corpore-metal: A hunter gatherer can't imagine e-mail spam. Traditional peoples are not imbeciles. A hunter-gatherer could probably grasp the concept of strangers bothering him without his permission.
@Rasselas: I quite agree and please understand that in no way am I dismissing the intelligence or flexibility of tribal people.
These people built the first cities, they developed agriculture, they developed arithmetic, they did things that to this day we don't fully understand how they did it--building triremes, building Stonehenge. The most astonishing of all is that they didn't do it with flying saucers or nonsense like that.
They just were fuckin' clever and very determined.
But what I am saying is that beyond general concepts or just showing or teaching them how it works, a daydreaming tribal person 10,000 years ago, who had never seen the modern world, couldn't dream up a detailed description of our world, especially as something as unexpected as e-mail spam. There are just too many details and conceptual hurdles to cross for imagination alone. Magic can be dreamed up easily. It's the details that are the sticking point.
@corpore-metal: There are just too many details and conceptual hurdles to cross for imagination alone. I think we are recapitulating one of the traditional debates about the literary merits of SF, actually.
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We've already been through several cultural transitions that seem Vingian already. The societies that emerged after them were barely possible to imagine in the societies that existed before. A hunter gatherer can't imagine e-mail spam. It's as simple as that.
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These people built the first cities, they developed agriculture, they developed arithmetic, they did things that to this day we don't fully understand how they did it--building triremes, building Stonehenge. The most astonishing of all is that they didn't do it with flying saucers or nonsense like that.
They just were fuckin' clever and very determined.
But what I am saying is that beyond general concepts or just showing or teaching them how it works, a daydreaming tribal person 10,000 years ago, who had never seen the modern world, couldn't dream up a detailed description of our world, especially as something as unexpected as e-mail spam. There are just too many details and conceptual hurdles to cross for imagination alone. Magic can be dreamed up easily. It's the details that are the sticking point.
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Echo that.
25 years ago this was interesting, but it hasn't changed a bit since then.